Udon Thani police searches home of Swiss national who killed armed intruder at his house after mother of slain man claims almost 300,000 baht was missing

[Dogmatix]

I think theories of the bail money and fingerprints on it are a red herring. If there was some monkey business between Lakh and Sethien over the 250k, it is unlikely that Rudolf knew anything about it. If she had it, why would she let on to Rudolf when she can get him to pay 300k for himself. Anyway it would make more sense to have a record of withdrawing the 300k and stash the 250k somewhere. The two most likely possibilities are: 1) Rudolf was allowed his phone to transfer 300k to Lakh (with commission to BiB) ; 2) they had a joint account with enough in it; 3) she used title deeds to post bail from land generously donated by Rudolf.

 

it is possible that Lakh swallowed the 250k and perhaps the BiB should have borrowed one of those portaloos from the Customs Dept and sat her on it.

Edited October 11, 2021 by Dogmatix

[Dogmatix]

i think Gecko’s advice to Rudolf to get himself a decent English speaking lawyer without using his wife as an interpreter is very sound. From the little I have heard of her English it is poor and who knows what involvement she has with the case or what her agenda might be. Although all Swiss are taught passable English Rudolf’s own English sounds only average and he clearly knows very little Thai or Isaan. So he needs to give himself the best chance.
 

I have seen a farang in court using a not very good interpreter to talk to his own not very good Thai lawyer who was instructed by a hopeless Australian lawyer practicing illegally in Chiang Mai. Unsurprisingly he lost. Rudolf deserves better than that.

[realfunster]

On 10/9/2021 at 8:49 PM, chessman said:

Yep… and a photo like that at the very least would show that her statement that she didn’t know him at all was false.

 

Please kindly let us know where exactly she ever said that.

An extract below from the OP of the day when the murder story broke....

 

She admitted to being someone who liked to go out and party with friends. Two years ago she said she met Sathian, a general employee and farmer, who was a friend of a friend.

 

She said that he tried to initiate a relationship with her but she declined his advances. She would meet him in the village and say hello, that was all.

 

[fredscats]

3 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

Just shooting the breeze here, but you're not seriously suggesting he should jump bail and go on the lam, are you? Fleeing from a place to avoid arrest or trial can often be admitted as evidence of consciousness of guilt. That is certainly how it would be viewed by the police, the media, and in the court of public opinion. Not to mention his chances of being recaptured are very high, given that his face (note: distinctive beard) has been plastered all over news and social media for 10 days straight now.

Exactly what I do suggest.   its not what the victim/family want,its what the police want,   know of a few...same happening year ago,victim ok, insurance ok,police not ok..top line lawyer told farang to clear off as soon as poss,   another minor shunt,police inv , wanted more money,kept hold of his vehicle for 6 months,,farang refused to pay,gave up in the end...car parks of hotels here scattered with impounded m/bikes until owners cough up what the cops want

 

He is not guilty of anything,never will be but the cops see an opp to go for money they will,he will not be re captured  no warrant  and the old guy needs a wash and brush up by his looks

[fredscats]

38 minutes ago, realfunster said:

 

Please kindly let us know where exactly she ever said that.

An extract below from the OP of the day when the murder story broke....

 

She admitted to being someone who liked to go out and party with friends. Two years ago she said she met Sathian, a general employee and farmer, who was a friend of a friend.

 

She said that he tried to initiate a relationship with her but she declined his advances. She would meet him in the village and say hello, that was all.

 

Where did the story evolve from, that the pair were shagging in the tin roofed hut in rice paddy?

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 3:53 AM, meechai said:

This Thai man was supposedly having an affair with the Swiss mans wife...

An assertion denied by the woman.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 3:53 AM, meechai said:

any intruder found with a gun in my house at night will be found there in the morning (albeit motionless)

Hahahahahahahahaaa.....!

[Gecko123]

21 minutes ago, fredscats said:

and the old guy needs a wash and brush up by his looks

so now you're giving Rudolph grooming tips? ????

 

Just joking around here, not trying to yank your chain.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 4:21 AM, Rampant Rabbit said:

On 10/9/2021 at 2:24 AM, webfact said:

Today’s raid

overly dramatic, you mean SEARCH

"...you mean SEARCH".

Overly dramatic, you mean "search"?

 

"Raid" suggests unannounced or taken by surprise, in order to prevent evidence being hidden or removed.   "Search" suggests examining the premises with the co-operation of those involved.   This was a raid.

Edited October 11, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Rampant Rabbit]

1 minute ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Overly dramatic, you mean "search"?

get real I mean search

[xylophone]

5 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

An assertion denied by the woman.

But confirmed by many people in the village who knew about the affair!!!

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 6:19 AM, scubascuba3 said:

Sad that the wife was complicit in the plan and pretending to be asleep during the commotion. How many other fake marriages have the wife seeing secret thai boyfriends

Sadder that you ignore the wife's assertion that she was not having an affair with him!

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 6:21 AM, smedly said:

the cops should be ashamed of themselves 

Why?

[Gecko123]

1 hour ago, Dogmatix said:

I think theories of the bail money and fingerprints on it are a red herring. If there was some monkey business between Lakh and Sethien over the 250k, it is unlikely that Rudolf knew anything about it. If she had it, why would she let on to Rudolf when she can get him to pay 300k for himself. Anyway it would make more sense to have a record of withdrawing the 300k and stash the 250k somewhere. The two most likely possibilities are: 1) Rudolf was allowed his phone to transfer 300k to Lakh (with commission to BiB) ; 2) they had a joint account with enough in it; 3) she used title deeds to post bail from land generously donated by Rudolf.

 

it is possible that Lakh swallowed the 250k and perhaps the BiB should have borrowed one of those portaloos from the Customs Dept and sat her on it.

I get that there are ways in which Rudolph could have paid the bail electronically, or been escorted to the bank by the police which would not have involved the wife's handing of the bail money, and would obviously make dusting the bail money for Setiyon or the land buyer's prints pointless.

 

The possibility that I am raising is that if the wife was in possession of both bundles of money at the same time, for possibly little more than esthetic reasons (the bills from the bank were bundled, newer, crisper, more compact, easier to conceal), she paid the bail with the money she had received from Setiyon without ever stopping to think that Setiyon's or the land buyer's finger prints might be on the bills.

 

But to everyone who thinks this idea isn't worth the time to explore - - newsflash - - the cops may be rapidly exhausting all possible leads in this case. Consider: dead men can't talk; Setiyon's family and friends aren't about to come forward and tell the cops if he was planning to rob, murder, intimidate, etc.,etc. Rudolph; Rudolph's wife isn't going to admit to anything incriminating, and if there was a plot of some type, it may have been thrown together so quickly that no one in their circles of family and friends had time to get wind of it. Prints on the bail money may be one of the few avenues of investigation remaining. Can you think of how the police can get to the bottom of what Setiyon was doing at the house that night? You need a witness or physical evidence, and I don't see where that's likely to come from.

 

Edited October 11, 2021 by Gecko123
added 2nd paragraph

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 7:15 AM, edwardflory said:

 

Can you really believe a person carries around 300 X 100,000bt (+/-) notes

"300 X 100,000bt"

B30,000,000?   Why have you upped it by a factor of 100 over the amount that was actually reported?

[fredscats]

7 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Sadder that you ignore the wife's assertion that she was not having an affair with him!

Sadder still the mother of victim states the exact opposite

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 7:15 AM, Nojohndoe said:

What if wifey lifted the 3ook after a little bit of secret nooky and lover boy comes to the house demanding "money money"

What if what the wife is saying, i.e. she was not having an affair with him, is true?

[fredscats]

8 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

I get that there are ways in which Rudolph could have paid the bail electronically, been escorted to the bank by the police which would not have involved the wife's handing of the bail money, and would obviously make dusting the bail money for Setiyon or the land buyer's prints pointless.

 

But - newsflash - to everyone who thinks this idea isn't worth the time to explore - the cops may be rapidly exhausting all possible leads in this case. Dead men can't talk, Setiyon's family and friends aren't about to come forward and tell the cops if he was planning to rob, murder, intimidate, etc.,etc. Rudolph, Rudolph's wife isn't going to admit to anything incriminating, and if there was a plot of some type it may have been thrown together so quickly that no one in their circle had time to get wind of it anyway. Prints on the bail money may be one of the few avenues of investigation remaining. Can you think of how the police can get to the bottom of what Setiyon was doing at the house that night? You need a witness or physical evidence, and I don't see where that's likely to come from.

Its coming from Swissie or his wife,whoever is looking for shorter sentence,wife puts finger on swissie,as he coerced her in this wicked plot

[RafPinto]

10 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"300 X 100,000bt"

B30,000,000?   Why have you upped it by a factor of 100 over the amount that was actually reported?

Never seen a 100k Thai Baht note.

I am the 20Baht note farang.

[Liverpool Lou]

2 minutes ago, RafPinto said:

13 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

"300 X 100,000bt"

B30,000,000?   Why have you upped it by a factor of 100 over the amount that was actually reported?

Never seen a 100k Thai Baht note.

I am the 20Baht note farang.

Good for you.

 

I wasn't suggesting that there are B100,000 notes.

[Liverpool Lou]

15 minutes ago, fredscats said:

23 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Sadder that you ignore the wife's assertion that she was not having an affair with him!

Sadder still the mother of victim states the exact opposite

Even sadder that you, with no evidence, believes her mother, not her.

[Liverpool Lou]

32 minutes ago, xylophone said:

39 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

An assertion denied by the woman.

But confirmed by many people in the village who knew about the affair!!!

Asserted by some who claimed that they knew about it.  The wife denies it.

 

Why accept their word for it but not the wife's?

Edited October 11, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 9:57 AM, kennw said:

I wonder how many pockets this Thai guy had,

Cargoes?

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 10:16 AM, BE88 said:

On 10/9/2021 at 10:13 AM, sanuk711 said:

Just as well we have the usual band of Thai Visa Sleuths to sort it all out for us then BE88.........................

Professional deformation of a former policeman

As a former police officer, what was your "professional deformation" [sic]?

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 10:23 AM, Peterphuket said:

You know, it reminds me at a recent story about an old employee of Philips in Kenia, recently murdered by his Kenyan wife.

It took long time before they found the  woman was the culprit and, believe it or not a Kenyan judge was also involved.

It took a few months before they found out.

Riveting.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 11:13 AM, orchidfan said:

I withdrew 300k one time to pay an annual company rent.

It's a big bunch of bundles of notes that I needed to put in my backpack. 

No way you could just be "carrying this.on your person".

Easily done, just depends on the size of your pockets, "no way could it be done" is nonsense.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 11:18 AM, BE88 said:

With all the lies his wife has told

How do you know that she's the one who has been lying?   Why can't the family have been lying?

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 11:20 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

On 10/9/2021 at 11:13 AM, orchidfan said:

I withdrew 300k one time to pay an annual company rent.

It's a big bunch of bundles of notes that I needed to put in my backpack. 

No way you could just be "carrying this.on your person".

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Maybe he carried it in a bag ?

Or maybe he just had three pockets.

[Liverpool Lou]

On 10/9/2021 at 11:29 AM, harry cox said:

two things i don't understand.  first, Thai man got 40k as a down payment, in Sept, then the remaining 250k Oct 1st. mother says he had 290-300k on him. so that means he didn't spend any of the 40k down payment in the month he had it?

You can't, seriously, be suggesting that the only money he had to his name was the deposit and the balance, that he had no money at all before that land transaction?   

Edited October 11, 2021 by Liverpool Lou

[Dogmatix]

38 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

What if what the wife is saying, i.e. she was not having an affair with him, is true?

I also find it suspicious that the evidence fence of Lakh and Sathien being an item and having steamy sessions in the rice field shacks appears to come only from his family. Sathien doesn’t seem to have been much of a catch and self-respecting mia farang normally go for a toy boy younger than themselves but choices in the sticks may be more limited. On the other hand, Sathien’s wife did apparently return to CM with the kids because he was carrying in with someone snd Amarin TV showed a selfie of the two together looking pretty much like an item.