What does a Thai anti vaxxer, or AN anti vaxxer look like?

[Bluetongue]

I would be mildly interested to find out what the profile of a typical anti-vaxxer is, both amongst Thai people and amongst board members. For instance whilst I was in Australia recently, I noticed that amongst friends, colleagues peers etc (people I actually knew) whose vaccine views became apparent to me they were all middle aged to older females. There were 5 in total at least 4 had some level of involvement with some level of alternative medicine, Bowen therapy and the like and at least 3 were in my opinion, barking mad as far as their opinion of Covid went, like it doesn't exist etc, all the vaccinated will die etc. Maybe the males keep their views to themselves. On Facebook etc males seem to be more prevalent with their over long, never get to the point videos. Often blue collar workers such as truckies.

 

Whats it like here? Around my village quite a few people are definitely anti-Sinovac. On this forum there seems to be a few, mostly newbies looking for an argument or is that just my perception?

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I think it's pretty clear that among thaivisa members, most of the opponents of vaccination are right wingers.  By and large this tracks with the nature of the opposition in those nations in the west where anti-vaxxer opinion is relatively strong. Not sure about anti-vaccine sentiment in Thailand but it seems to be founded mostly in fear derived from falsehoods posted on social media.

[BritManToo]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

most of the opponents of vaccination are right wingers. 

Marxist here.

Not so much an anti-vaxxer, but an ineffective vaccine rejecter.

If COVID vaccine stopped you catching COVID I'd be more enthusiastic.

 

How many of the current vaccines and boosters will I need to take before you're happy?

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[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I think it's pretty clear that among thaivisa members, most of the opponents of vaccination are right wingers. 

Do keep up, its called ASEAN NOW now

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1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

Marxist here.

Not so much an anti-vaxxer, but an ineffective vaccine rejecter.

If COVID vaccine stopped you catching COVID I'd be more enthusiastic.

I should have added anthropogenic climate change denialists to the list. You know, folks who prefer bias to science. Possibly also Brexiters, too. 

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do keep up, its called ASEAN NOW now

Thanks for the convincing refutation.

[Jeffr2]

7 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Marxist here.

Not so much an anti-vaxxer, but an ineffective vaccine rejecter.

If COVID vaccine stopped you catching COVID I'd be more enthusiastic.

 

How many of the current vaccines and boosters will I need to take before you're happy?

A mantra from the anti vax crowd. It's getting old. And misleading.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Thanks for the convincing refutation.

Gets rather tiresome , the Left and the Right standing in opposing corners and pointing fingers at each other and saying its "All your fault" , then going on about Trump and Brexit 

[Jeffr2]

Just now, Mac Mickmanus said:

Gets rather tiresome , the Left and the Right standing in opposing corners and pointing fingers at each other and saying its "All your fault" , then going on about Trump and Brexit 

The right wingers are far more vocal and active than the left. And more prone to violence.

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I should have added anthropogenic climate change denialists to the list. You know, folks who prefer bias to science. Possibly also Brexiters, too. 

Let me repeat my question .........

How many of the current vaccines and boosters will I need to take before you're happy?

If I take the two on offer, will that satisfy you, or will you start calling me an 'anti-booster'.

[BritManToo]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

The right wingers are far more vocal and active than the left. And more prone to violence.

That doesn't appear to be the case with your posts on this forum.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

The right wingers are far more vocal and active than the left. And more prone to violence.

Don't forget the "less educated" bit .

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1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Gets rather tiresome , the Left and the Right standing in opposing corners and pointing fingers at each other and saying its "All your fault" , then going on about Trump and Brexit 

What gets tiresome is "both-sidesism". Clearly in the case of vaccination in the USA, it's the red states that are lagging. And the correlation is even stronger when vote totals by county are taken into account.

And the question was asked about the characteristics of anti-vaxxer members of aseannow.com. I think the evidence shows that in this forum opinions strongly align with one's political views.

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3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Let me repeat my question .........

How many of the current vaccines and boosters will I need to take before you're happy?

If I take the two on offer, will that satisfy you, or will you start calling me an 'anti-booster'.

The fact that you claimed above that vaccines are ineffective, despite the huge amount of evidence to the contrary, kind of undercuts your claim not to be an anti-vaxxer.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The fact that you claimed above that vaccines are ineffective, despite the huge amount of evidence to the contrary, kind of undercuts your claim not to be an anti-vaxxer.

COVID vaccine appears to be partially ineffective as the UK and Israel are mostly vaccinated but still having record infections. If the vaccine worked effectively COVID would be as dead as Polio and Smallpox.

 

The pro-vax answer is to have boosters, but I'm wondering how often ...... 4x a year forever?

And how many COVID shots do I need to have before I'm not an anti-vaxxer?

 

I had COVID vaccination as soon as it was locally available, 1 so far, another in 2 weeks.

Will that be enough for you?

Edited October 26, 2021 by BritManToo

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

is that a five minute or ten minute argument ? (Famous Monty Python Sketch).

right wing means conservative rational conventional democratic capiltalist scientific opinions including pro- vaxx.

extreme right wing means fascist religious intolerant cruel dogmatic conspiracy folk inc. anti - vaxx.

usa an odd paradox. the most developed advanced powerful nation but with large numbers of fanatical religious anti- govt. anti- science conspiracy loons. symptoms of the disease : over fifty years of deranged left wing high tax anti- white welfare & globalist open borders policies.

once religion / culture has enabled the suspension of rational thought, its then so easy to adopt ANY pseudo science.

[WhiteBuffaloATM]

“If COVID vaccine stopped you catching COVID….”. IT DOES.

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3 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

COVID vaccine appears to be ineffective as the UK and Israel are mostly vaccinated but still having record infections.

If the vaccine worked effectively COVID would be as dead as Polio and Smallpox.

Why am I not surprised that the standard you set for effectiveness not only has little relation to the epidemiological definition,, but also to consequences in the real world. Is someone who has been vaccinated, less likely, as likely, or more likely to suffer severe symptoms and possibly even die from covid-19 than someone who has not been vaccinated?

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[Bluetongue]

Like one 65 year old woman Bowen therapist, went from being a Covid nazi, husband wasn't allowed in the house, spraying everything etc, to ceasing her clinic, watching FOX all day long in lockdown, Trump supporting, rabid anti vaxxer all in 8 months. An astonishing transformation.

[Bluetongue]

5 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

COVID vaccine appears to be ineffective as the UK and Israel are mostly vaccinated but still having record infections. If the vaccine worked effectively COVID would be as dead as Polio and Smallpox.

 

The pro-vax answer is to have boosters, but I'm wondering how often ...... 4x a year forever?

And how many COVID shots do I need to have before I'm not an anti-vaxxer?

 

I had COVID vaccination as soon as it was locally available, 1 so far, another in 2 weeks.

Will that be enough for you?

Israel curve has dipped right down, their vaccine profile was unusual though. Pockets of the community, orthodox Jews, Arabs etc were against it amongst other things. But its nowhere like UK atm

[Bluetongue]

I don't know that political persuasion is a determining factor, not in my case anyway. I wouldn't call myself right wing or left wing, more like the look after my own best interest's wing.

[Salerno]

34 minutes ago, Bluetongue said:

On this forum there seems to be a few, mostly newbies looking for an argument or is that just my perception?

I think you'll find the vast majority of those "newbies" are actually returnees (banned or on posting holiday)/troll accounts of existing members.

[BritManToo]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

but also to consequences in the real world. Is someone who has been vaccinated, less likely, as likely, or more likely to suffer severe symptoms and possibly even die from covid-19 than someone who has not been vaccinated?

Had COVID right at the start, wasn't any worse than flu for me.

Was slightly worse for my woman, not as bad for my son, no symptoms for my daughter.

[Bluetongue]

1 minute ago, Salerno said:

I think you'll find the vast majority of those "newbies" are actually returnees (banned or on posting holiday)/troll accounts of existing members.

Thanks, I've heard of such things, not such an avid poster that I would ever do that myself. I seem to not get banned, sometimes things are deleted without explanation.

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2 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Had COVID right at the start, wasn't any worse than flu for me.

Was slightly worse for my woman, not as bad for my son, no symptoms for my daughter.

Therefore...?

[JustAnotherHun]

If George Orwell would write Animal Farm today, the sheep would shout

"Vaxxers good, Antivaxxers bad"

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1 minute ago, Bluetongue said:

 I seem to not get banned, sometimes things are deleted without explanation.

Sunspots.

[Olmate]

10 minutes ago, Bluetongue said:

Like one 65 year old woman Bowen therapist, went from being a Covid nazi, husband wasn't allowed in the house, spraying everything etc, to ceasing her clinic, watching FOX all day long in lockdown, Trump supporting, rabid anti vaxxer all in 8 months. An astonishing transformation.

Thats Byron Bay for you! 

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1 minute ago, JustAnotherHun said:

If George Orwell would write Animal Farm today, the sheep would shout

"Vaxxers good, Antivaxxers bad"

Sure because everyone knows that Orwell equated science with Marxism.

[Crossy]

Well that went off the rails rapidly.

 

Closed.