Travelling in Thailand as unvaccinated resident

[Lizzy Duang]

I'd like to travel by train through Thailand. Any recent experiences? I don't want to get entangled in PCR tests and quarantine. Can it be avoided in certain provinces? 

Unfortunately no one picks up to answer at the Department for Disease Control (1422).

[Kwasaki]

We were stopped going into Nan had to show we were vacinated or other wise was turn around. 

[jackdd]

All provinces have their own rules.

Get vaccinated or stay home.

[Lizzy Duang]

3 hours ago, jackdd said:

All provinces have their own rules.

Get vaccinated or stay home.

I don't know how your second sentence is meant but it is useless to me. I am  immunized due to previous contact with the virus and thus have time to wait for newer vaccines like Novavax. The problem is that this immunization is not yet accepted as the gold standard. Therefore I just try to avoid the stupidity of common measures like PCR, quarantine for the healthy etc.

 

 

[grain]

8 minutes ago, Lizzy Duang said:

I don't know how your second sentence is meant but it is useless to me. I am  immunized due to previous contact with the virus and thus have time to wait for newer vaccines like Novavax. The problem is that this immunization is not yet accepted as the gold standard. Therefore I just try to avoid the stupidity of common measures like PCR, quarantine for the healthy etc.

 

 

Thais will not see it that way. To them you have either had 2 jabs of vac or you have not. If the latter then you are an unvaccinated alien and a menace. That's just how it is. So as already stated, get vaccinated or stay home.

[Lizzy Duang]

11 minutes ago, grain said:

Thais will not see it that way. To them you have either had 2 jabs of vac or you have not. If the latter then you are an unvaccinated alien and a menace. That's just how it is. So as already stated, get vaccinated or stay home.

That can perhaps be changed. But you might just accept the status quo. Which is different, by the way. Thais confirmed that one jab is okay, and foreigners have gone from Chonburi to BKK and checked in hotels without any questions. So it might be good to read more travel experiences than unsolicited advice.

 

[bbko]

8 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Can it be avoided in certain provinces? 

Not many responses, perhaps you can travel and let us know. Thanks in advance. 

[animalmagic]

10 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

That can perhaps be changed. But you might just accept the status quo. Which is different, by the way. Thais confirmed that one jab is okay, and foreigners have gone from Chonburi to BKK and checked in hotels without any questions. So it might be good to read more travel experiences than unsolicited advice.

 

How can you say 'unsolicited advice' when you posted on a public forum looking for advice?

[Chomper Higgot]

11 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

I don't know how your second sentence is meant but it is useless to me. I am  immunized due to previous contact with the virus and thus have time to wait for newer vaccines like Novavax. The problem is that this immunization is not yet accepted as the gold standard. Therefore I just try to avoid the stupidity of common measures like PCR, quarantine for the healthy etc.

 

 

The simplest way to meet the vaccine requirements is to get vaccinated and you can do that as soon as your COVID infection quarantine is ended. 

 

I'm not sure on what basis you believe you have time to wait for the new vaccines, my advice is get on the first bus going your way, the later ones might not turn up in time, if they turn up at all. 

 

There are a number of safe and effective vaccines available to you, the safety and effectiveness of those not yet available is unknown.

[mtls2005]

17 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

I'd like to travel by train through Thailand

 

Have you checked the SRT requirements?

 

I think they require proof of vaccination (via Mor Phrom) or a -72 hr ATK test result (also must be recorded in the Mor Phrom app).

 

After that maybe best to share when and where you plan to travel, ya know, to get focused "travel experiences".

 

 

11 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

I am  immunized

Thanks Aaron.

 

[Kwasaki]

37 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

 

Have you checked the SRT requirements?

 

I think they require proof of vaccination (via Mor Phrom) or a -72 hr ATK test result (also must be recorded in the Mor Phrom app).

 

After that maybe best to share when and where you plan to travel, ya know, to get focused "travel experiences".

 

On our road bike trip to Nan I had proof of 2 vaccinations on my phone in Thai and English.

One of my buddies had a copy of his Vac certificate.

You could make your travel plans problematic without any proof. 

Take care. 

[Eaglekott]

14 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

I am  immunized due to previous contact with the virus

Me also and Still I'm already fully Vaccinated with AZ. Just because you are does not say you can not get vaccinated. It would just boost your immunization. 

[Danderman123]

14 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

I am  immunized due to previous contact with the virus and thus have time to wait for newer vaccines like Novavax. 

 

What does that mean? 

 

Are you one of those Farangs who claim they got Covid in early 2020?

[Ganoga]

Get a paper from your doctor stating that you had covid, the date you recovered,  and the dates and length of quarrantine. It's good for three months, in place of a vaccine or test.  We're traveling now, my girlfriend is using this same paperwork. So far it's good in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Chang,  Prachuap Khiri Khan.

 

 

[marin]

14 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

As stated, i asked for travel experiences, not advice to stay home. The first response about Nan was adequate. 

 

15 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

That can perhaps be changed. But you might just accept the status quo. Which is different, by the way. Thais confirmed that one jab is okay, and foreigners have gone from Chonburi to BKK and checked in hotels without any questions. So it might be good to read more travel experiences than unsolicited advice.

 

It seems quite clear the only advice you seek is this "Yup you can go anywhere". This simply is not the case. The one jab was in the past for Astra only.  You will encounter problems all the way around. The Thai are very concerned over the vaccinations and masks, its that simple.

[mtls2005]

1 hour ago, Ganoga said:

Get a paper from your doctor stating that you had covid, the date you recovered,  and the dates and length of quarrantine. It's good for three months, in place of a vaccine or test.  We're traveling now, my girlfriend is using this same paperwork.

 

Curious what this "paper" says, and do you have one too? Does it display past test results? Quarantine history? Are you a foreigner? Your GF is thai? How often are you required to show this paper? Are you traveling by train? Airplane?

 

 

I'm sure this paper is brilliant but doubt it will pass muster on a train or plane which have firm requirements re: vaccination or testing.

 

 

The Mor Phrom app tracks "Recovery" status/history, and displays that. If you've passed those MoPH recovery hurdles then the green radio button would be shown.

 

 

Mine is ticked green because I am fully vaxxed.

 

 

 

Edited November 26, 2021 by mtls2005

[Lizzy Duang]

1 hour ago, Ganoga said:

Get a paper from your doctor stating that you had covid, the date you recovered,  and the dates and length of quarrantine. It's good for three months, in place of a vaccine or test.  We're traveling now, my girlfriend is using this same paperwork. So far it's good in Bangkok, Pattaya, Koh Chang,  Prachuap Khiri Khan.

 

 

Okay, that's interesting, esp. because some of those locations are on my list. Natural immunity should be good for years, according to studies - but 3 months are sufficient for traveling.

Also interesting that the Nan traveller was stopped on a bike. This seems to be a lottery, I heard from a biker and one who rented a car that they had no problem to go from Pattaya to Buriram. How is it in buses?

 

Would be nice to hear concrete examples from train riders. Do they really have to show the app? 3rd class is pretty well ventilated due to open windows, so if they restrict the number of passengers, it should be safe for all.

( I won't comment on the vaccine stuff as that is not my topic here, My opinion about current vaccines will be clear from my comments on those topic somewhere else.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Tony125]

12 minutes ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Okay, that's interesting, esp. because some of those locations are on my list. Natural immunity should be good for years, according to studies - but 3 months are sufficient for traveling.

Also interesting that the Nan traveller was stopped on a bike. This seems to be a lottery, I heard from a biker and one who rented a car that they had no problem to go from Pattaya to Buriram. How is it in buses?

 

Would be nice to hear concrete examples from train riders. Do they really have to show the app? 3rd class is pretty well ventilated due to open windows, so if they restrict the number of passengers, it should be safe for all.

( I won't comment on the vaccine stuff as that is not my topic here, My opinion about current vaccines will be clear from my comments on those topic somewhere else.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the US as well as some other countries  I am told that  natural immunity  is only good for up to 6 months. Dr's still advise for those that had Covid to get vaccinated. Personal knowledge as former co-worker  had Covid  but Dr still had hin get shot after he had 1 shot and then came down with Covid. He asked  should  coming down with Covid beconsidered a 2nd shot? Was told ,no.

Waiting for Novovax ? Only 1 country has aproved it's use, Indonesia.  It may never be approved for use or acepted as a viable vaccine in any other countries.

Edited November 26, 2021 by Tony125

[Lizzy Duang]

1 minute ago, Tony125 said:

In the US as well as some other countries  I am told that  natural immunity  is only good for up to 6 months. Dr's still advise for those that had Covid to get vaccinated. Personal knowledge as former co-worker  had Covid  but Dr still had hin get shot after he had 1 shot and then came down with Covid. He asked  should  coming down with Covid beconsidered a 2nd shot? Was told ,no.

 

That's a different topic. I have made up my mind here and respect others' decisions. I fear that a lot of vaccinated people will have heart disease in the future and will need to be cared for not the least by those who stayed away from mRNA. I am pro vaccine and just got my flu shot, have all the others. I am just not a fan of what is currently offered for Corona but this will change soon. And those who.fear the unvaccinated ... they will have no good argument because either their own vaccine works or the sick will take a pill like Pfizer's in the near future and get over it without blocking ICUs.

[MrJ2U]

Why the hell would you be traveling around unvaccinated?

 

Of course you need proof to travel by train or plane.

 

Ugh!

[n00dle]

17 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

I am  immunized due to previous contact with the virus

are ye now?

[Kwasaki]

30 minutes ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Also interesting that the Nan traveller was stopped on a bike. This seems to be a lottery, I heard from a biker and one who rented a car that they had no problem to go from Pattaya to Buriram. How is it in buses?

I wouldn't say a lottery of road block checks some provinces are strict some are not. 

None leaving Sukhothai and none on the way to Prahe.

Although in Prahe the hotel wanted proof of vaccination.

As for buses I reckon you'd find out trying to buy a ticket.

[Lizzy Duang]

15 minutes ago, n00dle said:

are ye now?

Up to 6 times better than with Pfizer. You can google the study.

[Lizzy Duang]

22 minutes ago, MrJ2U said:

Why the hell would you be traveling around unvaccinated?

 

Of course you need proof to travel by train or plane.

 

Ugh!

So you think all old Thai folks come to the station with a Mor Chana app or papers? I still doubt it.

[Ganoga]

My girlfriend is Thai. We drive car or big bike everywhere,  never had to show it in any checkpoint, or my vaccine certificate. Started driving from Chiang Mai province to Prachuap Khiri Khan to Pattaya, stopping at hotels here and there. We were stopped twice at checkpoints but given a lookover in the car and waved on.

 

It's considered dangerous to get a vaccine immediately after having covid due to the large number of antibodies you have. It may cause a serious  reaction. Also, within three months of having covid you may test positive due to...I forget the term...., but it's something that replicates the virus in your body in a harmless state.

Hence this paper. Doctors here are apparently aware of this.

 

Her paperwork has the dates she tested positive,  started/stopped quarrantine, where quarrantined, and states that she cannot pass covid on now. She called Koh Chang...some office,  to make sure we could get on the ferry using this.

 

We don't use the apps on our phones, never been asked to see them. Even when I returned here early October. Also flew to Chiang Mai without it in October but had to fill out a one-page health questionnaire and show Vax cert. to leave the arrival room.

 

We plan on traveling quite a bit once the rain stops so we'll see how universal this is.

Is there some sort of Covid Trip Report thread here to watch?

 

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, Lizzy Duang said:

So you think all old Thai folks come to the station with a Mor Chana app or papers? I still doubt it.

Either that or you won't be boarding the train.

[Lizzy Duang]

1 hour ago, MrJ2U said:

Either that or you won't be boarding the train.

Is that personal experience because that's what I want here.

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Is that personal experience because that's what I want here.

Its the requirements to travel by train or plane.

 

Maybe you can get a fake document or just be smart and get vaccinated.

[MrJ2U]

1 hour ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Is that personal experience because that's what I want here.

If its an emergency you could get a taxi or van taxi.

 

Also I think busses allow unvaccinated passengers.

 

Good luck.

[Tony125]

7 hours ago, Lizzy Duang said:

Up to 6 times better than with Pfizer. You can google the study.

Here's a newerstudy, need  to keep up with the latest news.

 

Natural immunity doesn’t protect you as well as the Covid vaccines — here’s why

https://www.cnbc.com/2021/11/23/should-you-get-vaccinated-if-you-had-covid-natural-immunity-explained.html

 

It's been said that Dr.s advise a covid vaccine as  you may be immune to the strain that infected you but not the variants that the vaccines  are made to affect.