4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe you should read the twitter thread that goes through the article and its points. Its linked in my post. Its by a real expert not a forum expert.

I read the whole South African Medical Research Council paper that you linked to.  I’ll link to it again just in case you decide to actually read it.

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

 

I don’t do “Twitter”

10 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Your hypothetical scenarios are every bit as ridiculous.  I’m going with what the experts in SA seem to be saying.  So far…no deaths.  Appears to be mild.  Nothing to panic about.

Deaths lag infection. Recorded deaths lag deaths.

2 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Deaths lag infection. Recorded deaths lag deaths.

If people are being released from the hospital in an average of 2.8 days (as the article stated) then we can probably assume that they didn’t die.  Only a fraction of the people who are currently in the ICU are even there for Covid related reasons.  It sounds as if there are other health issues that are far more pressing that need to be addressed.

10 minutes ago, Airalee said:

If people are being released from the hospital in an average of 2.8 days (as the article stated) then we can probably assume that they didn’t die.  Only a fraction of the people who are currently in the ICU are even there for Covid related reasons.  It sounds as if there are other health issues that are far more pressing that need to be addressed.

Of course all the daily covid deaths in sa none of them are omicron according to you. Despite it taking up to 2 weeks to confirm a sequenced case.

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course all the daily covid deaths in sa none of them are omicron according to you. Despite it taking up to 2 weeks to confirm a sequenced case.

None of them are Omicron according to the Doctors/Scientists who penned the paper that you linked to.  Only to you they are (based on nothing but speculation).  
 

If you have a problem with their (South African Medical Research Council). findings, I suggest you send them an email.  And next time, please read whatever it is you post before you post a link to try to support your misinformation.

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Because you don't trust science or doctors, unless you are sick, then you run to the hospital. 

Your not making sense, what's that got to do with Pfizer getting a massive fine for fraud? 

7 minutes ago, Airalee said:

None of them are Omicron according to the Doctors/Scientists who penned the paper that you linked to.  Only to you they are (based on nothing but speculation).  
 

If you have a problem with their (South African Medical Research Council). findings, I suggest you send them an email.  And next time, please read whatever it is you post before you post a link to try to support your misinformation.

Not true, the paper did not mention which variant they died of, so please stop with the misinformation. however you hold onto the WHO statement made on he 4th Dec that no omicron cases have died yet. In the meantime people are dying daily of covid in sa which has an 80% omicron dominance.

12 minutes ago, ArcticFox said:

Omg.  We're all going to die! 

Why?

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Not true, the paper did not mention which variant they died of, so please stop with the misinformation. however you hold onto the WHO statement made on he 4th Dec that no omicron cases have died yet. In the meantime people are dying daily of covid in sa which has an 80% omicron dominance.

You’re the one claiming people are dying from Omicron and linked to a study that supposedly supported your stance (which it did not).

 

I stated that the paper made no reference to them dying of Omicron.  Because it doesn’t.  The paper does make statements however that point to Omicron being far less severe than some would like to believe.

 

Your misinformation is turning into straight out lies.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Omicron is accounting for 80% of new sequenced cases so while there maybe some still dying from Delta and I think you can make a logical assumption that they are also dying from Omicron

 

Closer to 99% by now.

 

6 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You’re the one claiming people are dying from Omicron and linked to a study that supposedly supported your stance (which it did not).

 

I stated that the paper made no reference to them dying of Omicron.  Because it doesn’t.  The paper does make statements however that point to Omicron being far less severe than some would like to believe.

 

Your misinformation is turning into straight out lies.

making accusations of lying now lol. The statement was from an expert, not me but you decided not to follow the link, in which case I cannot help you anymore

11 minutes ago, Airalee said:

You’re the one claiming people are dying from Omicron and linked to a study that supposedly supported your stance (which it did not).

 

I stated that the paper made no reference to them dying of Omicron.  Because it doesn’t.  The paper does make statements however that point to Omicron being far less severe than some would like to believe.

 

Your misinformation is turning into straight out lies.

 

Try a little reasoning instead of mindless true-believing.

 

 

11 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Sorry , but the best thing for the planet would be a high transmission rate and high mortality .

Yes, that as well....people plague planet...but nampy pamby leaders would not push for a mass demask, get the bloody thing...it just gets perpetuated with new variants around the edges as we have seen so far.

I dubbed this virus the "Hitler Virus" - look at who it targets.

25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

making accusations of lying now lol. The statement was from an expert, not me but you decided not to follow the link, in which case I cannot help you anymore

It was you that didn’t read the link you provided.  Here.  I will give you the link that you tried to use to bolster your case.  Twitter is not an accepted nor reliable source.

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

23 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

Try a little reasoning instead of mindless true-believing.

 

 

Try reading the link.  Don’t be a science denier.

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

31 minutes ago, Macrohistory said:

 

Closer to 99% by now.

 

Source please.

15 minutes ago, Airalee said:

It was you that didn’t read the link you provided.  Here.  I will give you the link that you tried to use to bolster your case.  Twitter is not an accepted nor reliable source.

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

Try reading the link.  Don’t be a science denier.

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

Wait, you just accused me of lying for making the below statement, yet if you follow the link which you declined to do then you will see its not me, however you carry on assuming that all those who have mild covid are those with Omicron and anyone who is in ICU or dies does not

 

"And for those who say "but not a single person died from Omicron". Well, that's not quite correct: the "it's mild" Tshwane report found that of 166 Covid-positive patients admitted to this 1 hospital in the last 2 weeks, 9 died of Covid & 5 out of 33 admissions aged over 60 died."

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

23 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Source please.

 Source is https://twitter.com/TWenseleers/status/1467497066456924164

 

 

27 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Source please.

What do you think it is now?

 

Recent update to sequence data in CoVariants (more sequences have now been deposited) continues to indicate that Omicron overtook Delta in South Africa in just a few weeks, going from <1% in late Oct. to 84% in 2nd half of Nov

https://twitter.com/juan_cambeiro/status/1467854763094118409

https://covariants.org/per-country

 

39 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Wait, you just accused me of lying for making the below statement, yet if you follow the link which you declined to do then you will see its not me, however you carry on assuming that all those who have mild covid are those with Omicron and anyone who is in ICU or dies does not

 

"And for those who say "but not a single person died from Omicron". Well, that's not quite correct: the "it's mild" Tshwane report found that of 166 Covid-positive patients admitted to this 1 hospital in the last 2 weeks, 9 died of Covid & 5 out of 33 admissions aged over 60 died."

 

https://www.samrc.ac.za/news/tshwane-district-omicron-variant-patient-profile-early-features

From your link: "Of 38 adults in the COVID wards on 2 December 2021, 6 were vaccinated, 24 were unvaccinated and 8 had unknown vaccination status. Of 9 patients with COVID pneumonia 8 are unvaccinated, 1 is a child. Only a single patient on oxygen was fully vaccinated but the reason for the oxygen was Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease." which seems to support the view that anti-vaxxers are causing the problems.

10 hours ago, raccos21 said:

Is our future going to just be counting the virus variants?

Invariably ????

8 hours ago, Tonypandy said:

And you believe Pfizer? 

I will certainly get an mRNA booster when available , whether Pfizer or Moderna .   Until then I'll continue with my Fah Talai Chon !   

9 hours ago, Jen65 said:

multiply that by at least 10 and you will come up with something nearer the correct figure of infections in the population . A recent paper from Pfizer determined the 2 doses of Pfizer does not fully protest against the Omicron variant and the antibodies are reduced to only 50% .  It is absolutely necessary to get the 3rd Pfizer booster shot to enable full protection . 

As for other Covid vaccines I would expect they fare even somewhat worse than Pfizer or Moderna .   Lookout out Thailand ,Omicron is here and spreading fast .  Booster jabs are needed and should start now !     

Apparently, according to reports, mixing vaccines gives a stronger immune response. E.G. x2 Pfizer + AZ booster. Not going to bother posting links, best for folk to DYOR. 

12 hours ago, khunjeff said:

The other double standard is that the fully vaccinated foreigner was immediately sent to a hospital despite being asymptomatic, while the unvaccinated Thais (who would not even have required pre-flight Covid tests under Thai entry rules) were allowed to stay in a cheaper and more comfortable "hospitel".

double standards ??? no Thailand doesn't have double standards !!  oh except when you go to the zoo, a public park or hot springs or ______   

 

A post has been removed for Fair Use Violation and several troll posts.  

 

 

It's definitely going to take some time to learn about how contagious this variant is, how well vaccines hold up against it, how many cases of severe illness, hospitalization and death it causes.  

 

So far, the trajectory is pointing toward a milder infection, but a substantially higher transmission rate.  I suspect that will continue to hold true, but only time will tell.

 

I find the number of fully vaccinated people (including with boosters) contracting Omicron, troublesome.  Thus far we really don't have any good information on this, just news reports which seem to post when someone gets it who is fully vaccinated.  

 

From what I can glean, natural immunity from a previous infection is not particularly effective.  It's estimated that up to 80% of South Africans have had a previous infection, yet cases are rising.  There is a lot of speculation that needs clarification.  How many people with previous infections are being re-infected with Omicron?  What are their immunity levels?

This variant appears to have picked up some human genome material that might make it harder for the immune system to identify.  That's a very big if but it may be important.   There could very well be other, more important factors contributing to its ability to survive and thrive. 

 

The big danger if it is highly transmissible and better at evading natural or vaccine immunity, is a large number of infections will result in an increase in hospitalizations and deaths.  The increase may not be a percent increase, but an increase in real numbers.   People with other/underlying conditions may not survive even a mild case.  That's pretty much inevitable.

 

Hopefully, sooner rather than later, the noise will decrease and we'll have a better idea of what this variant is actually doing and what we can do to deal with it effectively.  

12 hours ago, Tonypandy said:

Your not making sense, what's that got to do with Pfizer getting a massive fine for fraud? 

The fraud case has nothing to do with the Pfizer vaccine.

18 hours ago, Tonypandy said:

And you believe Pfizer? 

The science community recommends getting a booster to maximize protection against Omicron.

 

Do you disagree?

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

What do you think it is now?

 

Recent update to sequence data in CoVariants (more sequences have now been deposited) continues to indicate that Omicron overtook Delta in South Africa in just a few weeks, going from <1% in late Oct. to 84% in 2nd half of Nov

https://twitter.com/juan_cambeiro/status/1467854763094118409

https://covariants.org/per-country

 

This has now been updated and currently Omicron accounts for 100% of all sequenced cases from the 29th Nov in SA

https://covariants.org/per-country

 

Covid deaths yesterday went up to 36 from 27 the day before.

On 12/8/2021 at 4:30 AM, Danderman123 said:

So, Omicron was endemic to Nigeria before November 24.

NPR:  Nigeria has detected its first case of the omicron coronavirus variant in a sample it collected in October, weeks before South Africa alerted the world about the variant last week, the country's national public health institute said Wednesday.

 

https://www.npr.org/2021/12/01/1060423949/nigeria-omicron-variant-origins

 

 

15 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Omicron Wave Sees South Africa’s Weekly Excess Deaths Almost Double

That is worrying. On one hand so many claiming we have zero Omicron deaths, yet this 'unexplained' number of deaths. Suggesting a cover up?