ICE vs EV, the debate thread

[Yellowtail]

  On 5/26/2024 at 7:59 AM, Ralf001 said:

 

Got a link to that ?

 

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If I showed you, I'd have to kill you...

[transam]

  On 5/26/2024 at 7:21 AM, KhunLA said:

If he stops posted BS on EV in TH thread, may start reading his post.   VW can't be trusted, whether one of largest auto makers or not.  

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Oh dear, Mr.MG is having a hissy-fit because MG is nowhere to be seen in the quality  list.....😂

[KhunLA]

  On 5/26/2024 at 8:32 AM, transam said:

Oh dear, Mr.MG is having a hissy-fit because MG is nowhere to be seen in the quality  list.....😂

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"The Chinese automotive assault on Fortress Europe has shifted to the next level with MG’s category win in the German Car of the Year (GCOTY) awards."

[HighPriority]

  On 5/26/2024 at 9:37 AM, KhunLA said:

 

 

 

 

"The Chinese automotive assault on Fortress Europe has shifted to the next level with MG’s category win in the German Car of the Year (GCOTY) awards."

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Oil fed idiots cannot see that though. 

[transam]

  On 5/26/2024 at 9:37 AM, KhunLA said:

 

 

 

 

"The Chinese automotive assault on Fortress Europe has shifted to the next level with MG’s category win in the German Car of the Year (GCOTY) awards."

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Not British then...............🤣

But I am happy you found "something" to make you feel better...🤗

[transam]

  On 5/26/2024 at 9:54 AM, HighPriority said:

Oil fed idiots cannot see that though. 

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I bet you are one of those who sits in the middle of the road in an orange T-shirt, made from oil......😂

[ExpatOilWorker]

  On 5/26/2024 at 8:13 AM, In the jungle said:

 

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The Chinese will solve this cashflow problem with what they are best at, cost cutting. Quality will follow down, all the way to the gutter. 

Interesting that the click-loving ginger EV uberlord has discovered that he can get more likes by being critical of EVs.

The world 🌎 is fed up with the green propaganda and every nutter on the Internet is jumping on the opportunity. 

 

[transam]

  On 5/26/2024 at 9:54 AM, HighPriority said:

Oil fed idiots cannot see that though. 

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You being one for decades, I assume, till a Chinese bloke found a way to earn a few quid and make you an EV Messiah........

[KhunLA]

  On 5/26/2024 at 10:15 AM, transam said:

Not British then...............🤣

But I am happy you found "something" to make you feel better...🤗

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Thankfully ... if it was, I wouldn't even consider it ... 

 

 

[transam]

  On 5/26/2024 at 11:05 AM, KhunLA said:

Thankfully ... if it was, I wouldn't even consider it ... 

 

 

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Well, yeh, if that's your political persuasion, coool, and way better than nicking another counties flag, eh...

[KhunLA]

  On 5/26/2024 at 11:10 AM, transam said:

Well, yeh, if that's your political persuasion, coool, and way better than nicking another counties flag, eh...

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None with me, just happen to have a USA PP.   When shopping, peek at name brands products from TH & CH first, and buy from the manufacturers of.  

 

Better research = better shopping satisfaction 

 

MG (SAIC)

DECO

Sony

Electrolux

Deye

SunTech

Xiaomi

Mitsubishi 

[placeholder]

  On 5/26/2024 at 10:19 AM, transam said:

I bet you are one of those who sits in the middle of the road in an orange T-shirt, made from oil......😂

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Oil that was not turned into CO2 and other noxious gases.

[transam]

  On 5/30/2024 at 6:40 AM, placeholder said:

Oil that was not turned into CO2 and other noxious gases.

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When they get burned, they do.........But your chums are wearing stuff made from oil that they want stopped.....

I suppose you could all go back to nature and dance around a Maypole....😱...😂

[placeholder]

  On 5/30/2024 at 6:45 AM, transam said:

When they get burned, they do.........But your chums are wearing stuff made from oil that they want stopped.....

I suppose you could all go back to nature and dance around a Maypole....😱...😂

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What chums are these? Just more ridiculous caricatures from you.

The goal now is to stop using it as a fuel and contributing to global warming. It would be a nice thing if bioscience can come up with a feasible way to replace drilling for the stuff as well. And to replace plastics of which the microparticles are now found in human tissue and even in blood clots. But the technology to achieve those goals isn't there yet.

[transam]

  On 5/30/2024 at 7:01 AM, placeholder said:

What chums are these? Just more ridiculous caricatures from you.

The goal now is to stop using it as a fuel and contributing to global warming. It would be a nice thing if bioscience can come up with a feasible way to replace drilling for the stuff as well. And to replace plastics of which the microparticles are now found in human tissue and even in blood clots. But the technology to achieve those goals isn't there yet.

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Blood clots...................🤣

[Yellowtail]

Fire burns for five days at huge lithium-ion energy storage facility | Recharge (rechargenews.com)

[Gweiloman]

  On 5/30/2024 at 9:29 AM, Yellowtail said:

Fire burns for five days at huge lithium-ion energy storage facility | Recharge (rechargenews.com)

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Would have been informative if they had said what caused the fire. Sabotage? It wouldn’t surprise me, considering how many loonies are out there. My first suspects would be auto mechanics, as their skill set is becoming obsolete 

[Yellowtail]

  On 5/30/2024 at 11:41 AM, Gweiloman said:

Would have been informative if they had said what caused the fire. Sabotage? It wouldn’t surprise me, considering how many loonies are out there. My first suspects would be auto mechanics, as their skill set is becoming obsolete 

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It was still burning yesterday, so it will be a while before they know for certain. As I understand it, assuming they have not been mechanically or electrically damaged, they typically just overhead and start gassing off. 

[Gweiloman]

  On 5/30/2024 at 11:55 AM, Yellowtail said:

It was still burning yesterday, so it will be a while before they know for certain. As I understand it, assuming they have not been mechanically or electrically damaged, they typically just overhead and start gassing off. 

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Strange. I’ve owned lots of lithium ion batteries for years, mostly for my power tools but also mobile phones, battery packs and various other rechargeable appliances.

 

I’m yet to have one gas off at me.

[vinny41]

Consumers are being urged to check their solar energy storage systems for unsafe LG solar batteries, after the Assistant Treasurer today issued a proposed recall notice for specified LG solar storage batteries, which can overheat and catch fire without warning.

Across Australia, 13 incidents of property damage have been linked to the affected batteries, including a house in Victoria that was destroyed.

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/proposed-compulsory-recall-of-dangerous-lg-solar-storage-batteries

10,000 LG Chem lithium batteries recalled over fire hazard

https://www.batteriesinternational.com/2021/08/12/10000-lg-chem-lithium-batteries-recalled-over-fire-hazard/

[transam]

  On 5/30/2024 at 12:26 PM, Gweiloman said:

Strange. I’ve owned lots of lithium ion batteries for years, mostly for my power tools but also mobile phones, battery packs and various other rechargeable appliances.

 

I’m yet to have one gas off at me.

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Most folk have the same experience, but it does happen......🤗

 

 

[Yellowtail]

  On 5/30/2024 at 12:26 PM, Gweiloman said:

Strange. I’ve owned lots of lithium ion batteries for years, mostly for my power tools but also mobile phones, battery packs and various other rechargeable appliances.

 

I’m yet to have one gas off at me.

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How do you know? 

[HighPriority]

  On 5/30/2024 at 12:29 PM, vinny41 said:

Consumers are being urged to check their solar energy storage systems for unsafe LG solar batteries, after the Assistant Treasurer today issued a proposed recall notice for specified LG solar storage batteries, which can overheat and catch fire without warning.

Across Australia, 13 incidents of property damage have been linked to the affected batteries, including a house in Victoria that was destroyed.

https://www.accc.gov.au/media-release/proposed-compulsory-recall-of-dangerous-lg-solar-storage-batteries

10,000 LG Chem lithium batteries recalled over fire hazard

https://www.batteriesinternational.com/2021/08/12/10000-lg-chem-lithium-batteries-recalled-over-fire-hazard/

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Thank you for posting this for the attention of LG battery owners, should we also post every ice recall as well…?

[transam]

  On 5/30/2024 at 1:28 PM, HighPriority said:

Thank you for posting this for the attention of LG battery owners, should we also post every ice recall as well…?

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Why not........

[vinny41]

  On 5/30/2024 at 1:28 PM, HighPriority said:

Thank you for posting this for the attention of LG battery owners, should we also post every ice recall as well…?

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Both links were related to residential storage system batteries not EV's 

GM battery partner LG Chem forced to recall another 15,000 batteries

 

GM settles with LG for $1.9 billion BOLT recall + foots $100 million bill

2nd owners don't always get recall information so it would be most welcome if your willing to put time and effort into publishing a list of all recalls both EV's and ICE

[placeholder]

  On 5/30/2024 at 7:03 AM, transam said:

Blood clots...................🤣

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Yes blood clots.

Microplastics Found in Blood Clots in Heart, Brain, And Legs

Earlier this year, we got news from a landmark study that microplastics – tiny shards of plastic shed from larger chunks – had been found inside more than 50 percent of fatty deposits from clogged arteries. It was the first data of its kind to draw a link between microplastics and their impact on human health.

Now, a new study from researchers in China reports finding microplastics in blood clots surgically removed from arteries in the heart and brain, and deep veins in the lower legs.

https://www.sciencealert.com/microplastics-found-in-blood-clots-in-heart-brain-and-legs

[josephbloggs]

  On 5/30/2024 at 12:30 PM, transam said:

Most folk have the same experience, but it does happen......🤗

 

 

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Yes, one in several tens of million chance events can happen.

Do you own a mobile phone?

[transam]

  On 5/30/2024 at 5:11 PM, josephbloggs said:

Yes, one in several tens of million chance events can happen.

Do you own a mobile phone?

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So yes, it can happen, the many videos of Lithium battery explosions on an array of things is a fact.

Yes, I have a mobile phone.........😉

[Pib]

This  Youtube video talks the new BYD spare parts warehouse/center in the Bangkok area.   

 

Spare parts availability should definitely be a consideration in what vehicle you buy as all vehicles eventually needs spare parts under or out of warranty, get into accidents, etc.   At around 6:25 min into this 10 minute video they also briefly show the traction battery room and the guy says they have 30 traction batteries in the room....you will see the large wooden crates containing the traction batteries.   Yeap...readily available spare parts within country is a good thing.

 

 

[vinny41]

Great Wall To Close Down European Headquarters, Cancel Further Expansion

Great Wall Motors will reportedly shut down its European offices in Munich in August, laying off 100 employees.

The automaker will remain in existing markets but cancelled expansion plans to other European countries.

Slow sales played a pivotal role in the decision, as Great Wall Motors had only 6,300 registrations in Europe in 2023.

https://www.carscoops.com/2024/05/great-wall-to-close-down-european-headquarters-cancel-further-expansion/

In 2023 GWM registered 6,746 ORA's in Thailand compared to 6,300 for the whole of Europe for the same period