Western Australia Tramples Freedom of Expression

[seedy]

Criminal Law (Unlawful Consorting and Prohibited Insignia) Act 2021

https://www.legislation.wa.gov.au/legislation/statutes.nsf/law_a147321.html

 

Wonder why they did not do the same to the Catholic Church - to name just one - over widespread child abuse ?

 

Sad day for Freedom for us all

[simple1]

 

Following is the synopsis on the Act. It's obviously targeted at offenders and their assciated groupings such as OMG, banned terrorist organisations and so on, Exactly what group or people do you object to being subject to the Act? 

 

https://www.parliament.wa.gov.au/parliament/bills.nsf/BillProgressPopup?openForm&ParentUNID=0637FE92A8DD6AB64825876D000DE943

[seedy]

Just because you are a member of a group, and the Gov't "Says" they are a - whatever - does not mean that you have been found guilty in a court or law of anything.

It makes not a scintilla of difference what their "Intentions" are.

This is a heavy handed, fascist, right-wing authoritarianism move by the Gov't to deny basic human rights - like freedom of association.

"They Say' that something is ... does not mean that it really is.

Expect lawsuits and challenges to this BS - which will be successful.

[simple1]

14 hours ago, seedy said:

Just because you are a member of a group, and the Gov't "Says" they are a - whatever - does not mean that you have been found guilty in a court or law of anything.

It makes not a scintilla of difference what their "Intentions" are.

This is a heavy handed, fascist, right-wing authoritarianism move by the Gov't to deny basic human rights - like freedom of association.

"They Say' that something is ... does not mean that it really is.

Expect lawsuits and challenges to this BS - which will be successful.

Government has the mandate to enact legislation, including for the prevention of criminal / violent extremist association to protect the population. The logical outcome of your thought is Nazi symbols / expression, organised crime members / groups and so on should be permitted freedom of expression and association is rediculous. There are a few Australian white membership extremist right wing groups in Oz now banned in Oz, I assume you also call out such bans as facist - lol

[BritManToo]

I assume the Religion of Peace will be the first to get suppressed.

Then motorcycle clubs.

[seedy]

So ... guilty without a Trial ?

The "Club" does nothing illegal, the members of that club may well commit crimes.

This can be proven, and sentences handed down, with a trial - but judge or judge and jury.

You have heard the term "Innocent before proven Guilty have you ?"

You actually trust the "Gov't" when they enact such legislation ?

It is said that the people get the Gov't they deserve - and if people in WA agree with this then so be it.

Idiots.

[Fat is a type of crazy]

5 minutes ago, seedy said:

So ... guilty without a Trial ?

The "Club" does nothing illegal, the members of that club may well commit crimes.

This can be proven, and sentences handed down, with a trial - but judge or judge and jury.

You have heard the term "Innocent before proven Guilty have you ?"

You actually trust the "Gov't" when they enact such legislation ?

It is said that the people get the Gov't they deserve - and if people in WA agree with this then so be it.

Idiots.

My 2 cents is that given Australia has a strong, if not imperfect democracy, if enough feel the same as you the laws can be changed.

With these groups there's a line between a point of view e.g. anti immigration, and straight out racism and intimidation of certain groups, and then say fund raising for what the Australian government considers nefarious activities. The line may be difficult but I think there is a line. 

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, seedy said:

So ... guilty without a Trial ?

The "Club" does nothing illegal, the members of that club may well commit crimes.

This can be proven, and sentences handed down, with a trial - but judge or judge and jury.

You have heard the term "Innocent before proven Guilty have you ?"

You actually trust the "Gov't" when they enact such legislation ?

It is said that the people get the Gov't they deserve - and if people in WA agree with this then so be it.

Idiots.

I believe they have similar laws in the Netherlands as biker gangs commit a lot of crime and were used as hit men for the Dutch drug world. 

 

Heavy handed, sure but sometimes that is needed. There might be nice bikers around but the bad ones spoilt it besides in my country only the bad clubs are targeted. Sometimes governments need to be tough. Your also not allowed to do Nazi salutes in Germany i take you have a problem with that too ?.

 

Recently they arrested a Dutch woman doing a Nazi salute at Auschwitz. Freedom of expression or a crime ?

 

They banned the PEDO club in the Netherlands (good thing i think) but where does freedom of expression end ?

 

Same for motorclubs they have become hotbeds of crime, normal members should realize that and join an other less violent one. I do agree its a sliding scale but it gets harder and harder to go after some criminals sometimes laws need to change.

 

Im not sure how bad the crimes are and how many fights there are in OZ among motor clubs but if its like in the Netherlands then I think there is good ground to ban certain clubs. 

[seedy]

And where does it end ...

At the Start - "For the Good of Society" - they say ...

This saying is as relevant today as the day it was said ...

 

[KhunHeineken]

The consorting law has been around for decades.  It's not new.  It's to keep criminals from associating with each other.  I don't have a problem with it.  

 

If certain groups of people want to masquerade as automobile enthusiasts, all the while manufacturing drugs and dealing them out of their tattoo shops, and buying panel beating businesses to rebirth stolen cars and bikes, and buying old run down pubs for cheap and laundering money through the poker machines..............and the list goes on, including brothels, why let people in these criminal organizations be allowed to associate with each other, planning their next "job" or next "score." 

 

Same as a mosque masquerading as promoting peace and tolerance, whilst actively recruiting jihadists.

 

I have no problem dismantling these groups.

 

Some links showing the assets seized from these criminals.

 

 https://aboutregional.com.au/police-seize-assets-worth-more-than-500000-from-nomads-bikie-boss/

 

https://www.9news.com.au/national/queensland-bikie-two-women-charged-money-laundering-on-gold-coast/aae366fd-2571-48f2-8542-d535afa67b28

 

Drug seizure.  

 

https://www.afp.gov.au/news-media/media-releases/six-men-charged-after-15m-worth-cannabis-and-cash-seized-alleged-sa-rebels

 

Same old names constantly appearing in the news,  Comancheros, Bandidos, Rebels, Finks, Mongols, Hells Angels, Nomads.  Mongrel Mob.   

 

Very different to this motorcycle association, who are real enthusiasts and do charity rides and social events, as well as promoting rider safety.  

 

https://www.ma.org.au

 

I think a lot of the 1%er members wouldn't even know how an engine works, and are only part of the gang for the crime and the money, but want to say "we are just into bikes and riding."  

 

These bikie gangs recruit, induct, train, and pay young guys, in the same way extremists groups do.  They sell a false life of comradery, but these young guys end up paying the price with their freedom, doing jail time.  

 

Consorting is not about innocent until proven guilty.  Consorting is about people who have already been charged and convicted and sentenced of serious criminal offences, "hanging out" together on the outside,  which is the crime of consorting, and they can be charged with it.

 

As for the Prohibited Insignia, a lot of members of the community would find the 1%er "patches" offensive to them, like they would the swastika, as it represents them  being a member of a criminal organization, which instills fear in people.

[seedy]

Want to end drug violence - stop the Asinine War on Drugs.

50 years and drugs have never been so plentiful, cheap, and pure.

Know why people are in the drug business ? $$$ Know why it is worth so much ? Blame the War on Drugs. Nothing to do with helping people, curing addiction. It is about financing Law Enforcement and jail builders. That's It.

Tell that to the politicians, law enforcement, and the criminal justice system.

Brothels - why is selling or buying sex illegal ? We living in the Stone Age ?

Launder money - where do you think politicians get their campaign funds from - is that not laundering money ? Of course it is. Make a political contribution - to both sides (gotta cover your Ash) - and when either is elected there you are with your hand out to get the contracts to build whatever, service whatever.

People got to pull their heads out of their Ash Wholes.

[simple1]

On 1/27/2022 at 10:58 AM, seedy said:

And where does it end ...

At the Start - "For the Good of Society" - they say ...

This saying is as relevant today as the day it was said ...

 

Utterly rediculous comparing W.A. government anti Oganised crime gangs legislation to Nazi Germany.

[seedy]

13 hours ago, simple1 said:

Utterly rediculous comparing W.A. government anti Oganised crime gangs legislation to Nazi Germany.

Really ? You do not see the parallel ?

Seems most citizens feel the same - sad to be so ...

The quote from Martin above does not specifically mention Nazi Germany, and I did not make any such comparison.

But denying rights is like a snowball rolling down a mountain - it gets bigger and bigger before swallowing everything.

This is the point I was making.

If you are a citizen of WA and agree with this, you will get the gov't you deserve be laying down to these Fascists.

No doubt the Courts will overturn this anyway, so a Moot point

 

[simple1]

6 hours ago, seedy said:

 

The quote from Martin above does not specifically mention Nazi Germany,

 

Showing your ignorance, for your education...

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

[seedy]

17 hours ago, simple1 said:

Showing your ignorance, for your education...

https://encyclopedia.ushmm.org/content/en/article/martin-niemoeller-first-they-came-for-the-socialists

Insults - the fall back of the moron

Apt username too 555

Show me in the quote where Nazi Germany is mentioned - not the background of said quote, which I never mentioned

[ozimoron]

10 minutes ago, seedy said:

Insults - the fall back of the moron

Apt username too 555

Show me in the quote where Nazi Germany is mentioned - not the background of said quote, which I never mentioned

The meme you posted directly refers to Nazi activities during the second world war.

 

The legislation you referenced is intended to prevent antisocial and fascist organisations from forming like those which led to the initial success of the Nazis. Think white supremacist organisations.

[simple1]

19 minutes ago, seedy said:

Insults - the fall back of the moron

Apt username too 555

Show me in the quote where Nazi Germany is mentioned - not the background of said quote, which I never mentioned

Question answered above. I assume you already know, but just in case, the URL below provides insight into context of the legislation. ..

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-04/bikie-gangs-by-colours/4999510

 

No more dialogue.

[simple1]

Just now, simple1 said:

Question answered above. I assume you already know, but just in case, the URL below provides insight into context of the legislation, plus there are designatated terrorist white supremisist organisations in Oz.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-10-04/bikie-gangs-by-colours/4999510

 

No more dialogue.

 

[seedy]

On 1/31/2022 at 8:06 AM, ozimoron said:

 fascist organisations

fascism

1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

No charge for the education - seems you need it

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, seedy said:

fascism

1. A system of government marked by centralization of authority under a dictator, a capitalist economy subject to stringent governmental controls, violent suppression of the opposition, and typically a policy of belligerent nationalism and racism.
2. A political philosophy or movement based on or advocating such a system of government.
3. Oppressive, dictatorial control.

No charge for the education - seems you need it

The definition fits exactly with my use of it. White supremacist organisations tend to be fascist because their raison d'etre is that they are losing power due to the ascendancy of minorities using the democratic process and the only way they can retain power is through fascism. That is also why they tend to be militant.

[seedy]

You missed "Government" - which defines fascist organizations.

Democracy - 555 - Please enlighten me where on earth such a system of gov't exists ? Sure not Canada, where I hail from, and sure not AU, or any other country I can think of.

Would you like a definition of 'brainwashing' to assist you ?

Or 'sheeple' maybe?

[KhunHeineken]

On 1/29/2022 at 5:07 PM, seedy said:

Want to end drug violence - stop the Asinine War on Drugs.

50 years and drugs have never been so plentiful, cheap, and pure.

Know why people are in the drug business ? $$$ Know why it is worth so much ? Blame the War on Drugs. Nothing to do with helping people, curing addiction. It is about financing Law Enforcement and jail builders. That's It.

Tell that to the politicians, law enforcement, and the criminal justice system.

 

So it's the public demand for drugs that forces bikie gangs to manufacture and deal drugs.  ????

 

If bikie gangs were more into armed robs, do we blame banks and cash in transit companies?  

 

On 1/29/2022 at 5:07 PM, seedy said:

Brothels - why is selling or buying sex illegal ?

 

It's not, but it's a cash business, and bikie gangs launder money through brothels.  

 

Did the girls in the bikie gang owned brothel have 1 customer or 10 customers this shift.  If they only had 1 customer, put down 10 customers.  You've just cleaned some money for the cost of some taxation.  

 

On 1/29/2022 at 5:07 PM, seedy said:

Launder money - where do you think politicians get their campaign funds from - is that not laundering money ? Of course it is. Make a political contribution - to both sides (gotta cover your Ash) - and when either is elected there you are with your hand out to get the contracts to build whatever, service whatever.

 

No, it's not laundering money. 

 

You said it yourself, it's a political contribution, or donation.  I agree, it's a corrupt system because if elected, the donator will be expecting some return, but that's not money laundering.