djayz Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Why not? We have to live with everybody else, why not them too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 54 minutes ago, connda said: This makes things interesting. For those with Life Insurance, it's best to check your policy to see if they cover post Covid vaccination adverse reactions leading to death. Unlike those who will dismiss Covid vaccination related death, the insurance companies see an avenue now where they can reject claims. So when insurance companies start hiring independent doctors to perform autopsies on those recently vaccinated, like young, healthy professional athlete who die on the pitch. Some people will scream - "Coincidence!" The insurance company won't scream at all. They'll hire an independent forensic physician. Once this becomes a legal precedent? Oh! Ouch.https://principia-scientific.com/coronavirus-vaccine-deaths-not-covered-by-life-insurance/ The stories of healthy athletes dying "on the pitch" following a Covid vaccination are lies put out by fringe anti-vax groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blumpie Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 Its up to Thailand to demand vaccines for its citizens or not, not expatriates. They will do as they do. One thing that I can assure you is if you want to travel to Thailand and are not vaccinated I highly doubt that they will ever let you in. IT doesn't matter how you feel about it, that's just the way it will be. I've travelled for 33 years all around this planet and I'll tell you that you cannot get into south america without a yellow fever vaccine. And that's that. We all have choices to make and are all free to exercise them accordingly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, ozimoron said: They do, they are just not 100% effective. Seat belts save lives, just not all lives. You would have it that if one vaccinated person gets an infection then the vaccines don't stop infections. How ridiculous. https://www.wionews.com/world/one-in-5000-the-real-chances-of-a-breakthrough-infection-411455 That is the current story though, right? I get believing the 1st and even 2nd story about these crappy vaccines but I am not daft enough to keep believing. They are selling it just a bit too hard. I'm done at 2 vaccines and a sebsequent dose of COVID Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-raises-covid-19-vaccine-sales-forecast-36-billion-2021-11-02/ $65 billion dollars in sales for Pfizer alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 I suppose they are going to get covid, and likely acquire immunity that way, or die of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThLT Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, heybruce said: I posted that the unvaccinated in the study were one and a half times more likely to catch Covid. That is factually correct and informative. It is not misleading in any way. It's maybe informative for you and me. But people who have no understanding of statistics are surprised when they see a big number, or when someone says "it's 150% more effective." The reality is that the study says: 25% of vaccinated got infected, and 38% of unvaccinated got infected. Also, if you don't mention the data of which that percentage is based on, it is misleading and disingenuous. Edited February 4, 2022 by ThLT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikao Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 hours ago, ozimoron said: Same distortion. 4th vaccination, not 4th booster. That's correct, 2nd booster. And Biontech guy said they will have an Omicron vaccine by March which will require 3 jabs which brings you to 7 however you want to call it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FarFlungFalang Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 55 minutes ago, heybruce said: The vaccinated are less likely to catch and spread the virus. That's a good thing. Risk reduction in general is a good thing. Don't you agree? Not always unvaxxed with previous infection have less chance than those vaxxed without a previous infection and getting vaxxed after an infection provides little to no extra protection according to a study released by the CDC in the US. FIGURE. Incident laboratory-confirmed COVID-19-associated hospitalizations among immunologic cohorts defined by vaccination and previous diagnosis histories — California, May 30–November 13, 2021*,† https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e1.htm#contribAff 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThLT Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, heybruce said: I don't mind. It's free, it only takes a short while, and it protects me from a disease that, according to friends and family who have had it, is best avoided. If you want to be required to get boosted every 9 months, feel free to do so. Don't expect everyone to follow along with you in your enthusiasm. And no, you're wrong, it's not free. It's paid for using taxes paid by Thai people. Edited February 4, 2022 by ThLT 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 11 minutes ago, pikao said: That's correct, 2nd booster. And Biontech guy said they will have an Omicron vaccine by March which will require 3 jabs which brings you to 7 however you want to call it Does an 80 year old whinge about having had 20 flu vaccines? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, ThLT said: If you want to be required to get boosted every 9 months, feel free to do so. Don't expect everyone to follow along with you in your enthusiasm. And no, you're wrong, it's not free. It's paid for using taxes paid for by Thai people. Who said it would be every 9 months? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyFoxy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 hour ago, heybruce said: The vaccinated are less likely to catch and spread the virus. That's a good thing. Risk reduction in general is a good thing. Don't you agree? Show me the data on that one thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThLT Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, AndyFoxy said: 1 hour ago, heybruce said: The vaccinated are less likely to catch and spread the virus. That's a good thing. Risk reduction in general is a good thing. Don't you agree? Show me the data on that one thanks. Also waiting for numbers for your claim. The Lancet study I posted shows that: 25% of vaccinated got infected, in contrast to 38% of unvaccinated. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 31 minutes ago, pedro01 said: https://www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/pfizer-raises-covid-19-vaccine-sales-forecast-36-billion-2021-11-02/ $65 billion dollars in sales for Pfizer alone. Would you prefer no one manufactured vaccines? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThLT Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Who said it would be every 9 months? Follow/read the thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikao Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Does an 80 year old whinge about having had 20 flu vaccines? Don't know, you obviously don't 3 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Who said it would be every 9 months? It's every 6 months (in some countries) already and they are talking about 3 or 4 months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 5 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said: Show me the data on that one thanks. Are you kidding? It's been posted probably hundreds of times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, ozimoron said: Who said it would be every 9 months? We have had a vaccine for 14 months now , some people are now getting their fourth shot to be fully vaccinated , you do the maths . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, ThLT said: Follow/read the thread What now? Did that imply every 9 months? Or just the once? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said: We have had a vaccine for 14 months now , some people are now getting their fourth shot to be fully vaccinated , you do the maths . Hardly an answer to my question don't you think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, pikao said: That's correct, 2nd booster. And Biontech guy said they will have an Omicron vaccine by March which will require 3 jabs which brings you to 7 however you want to call it And then one for the next variant and the next and the one after that. Its a boondoggle for the drug firms, who pay lobbyists, who tell politicians which side their bread is buttered. I got a delivery this am from the Thai govt of Bromhexine & Favipiravir, an anti viral. A nurse brought it round ti the house. Vaccines for those at risk, treatment for thise that get it. A 2 pronged approach. But the money is in vaccines. Not much money in Favipiravir... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, pikao said: Don't know, you obviously don't It's every 6 months (in some countries) already and they are talking about 3 or 4 months where? who is they? A link please. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, pedro01 said: And then one for the next variant and the next and the one after that. Its a boondoggle for the drug firms, who pay lobbyists, who tell politicians which side their bread is buttered. I got a delivery this am from the Thai govt of Bromhexine & Favipiravir, an anti viral. A nurse brought it round ti the house. Vaccines for those at risk, treatment for thise that get it. A 2 pronged approach. But the money is in vaccines. Not much money in Favipiravir... A pity people didn't complain with the same fervour about the money tobacco companies made from cigarettes, the massive profits from beer or junk food. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedro01 Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: A pity people didn't complain with the same fervour about the money tobacco companies made from cigarettes, the massive profits from beer or junk food. These are vices, vaccines are not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virt Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 7 hours ago, jacko45k said: Scandinavian countries are pretty much claiming the end of the pandemic and all restrictions and regulations......so 3 examples to the contrary back at you! And why do you think we here in Scandinavia are able to return to normal once again. A combo of vaccinations boosters and omicron. Without vaccinations and boosters we would still have restrictions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pikao Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 1 minute ago, ozimoron said: where? who is they? A link please. No link oz (links in foreign language are not allowed) , this is from German government, and Biontech (/Pfizer) CEO is Ugur Sahin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mommysboy Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 18 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: I think AZ (in its various guises) and the Sino vaccines have been more widely used. The former is arguably a better vaccine for oldies as demonstrated in the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 18 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: https://www.aap.com.au/factcheck/suggestion-vaccinated-covid-19-patients-dominate-israel-hospitals-is-fake-news/ 14% of Israeli Adults Are Unvaxxed. They Account for 100% of ECMO Patients https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/israel-covid-omicron-unvaccinated-14-adults-100-ecmo-serious-cases-1.10530817 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibreaker Posted February 4, 2022 Share Posted February 4, 2022 (edited) 3 hours ago, ozimoron said: https://www.frommers.com/tips/airfare/these-airlines-require-all-passengers-to-be-vaccinated-for-covid-19 That was a very low total, and most only required it flying from the US to Canada. When it comes to Air Asia, I have just checked, and they have lifted some restrictions. This list is from September last year. All in all, this shows as I suspected, the main rule is that you can fly without vaccination, but with a few exceptions. But thank you for the list. Well provided. Edited February 4, 2022 by thaibreaker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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