If war breaks out in Ukraine, what do you think will be the impact on your expat life in Thailand?

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

well Putin is a darn site more clever than the Biden joker.  

Biden isn't invading Canada.

[Jingthing]

7 minutes ago, connda said:

Game over man.

CNN
Putin signs decrees recognizing breakaway territories in eastern Ukraine

The Taiger    
Putin sends 'peacekeeping' troops to Ukraine after recognising breakaway provinces

Russian now can declare a Responiblity To Protect (R2P) as they take a page out of the US/NATO playbook.

The effect on Thailand expats?  Nada.

This is just the beginning. Putin's forces have nothing to do with peace keeping.

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

When did Putin invade. 

18 March 2014

[Doctor Tom]

Nothing.  The West will huff and puff and do nothing, the World will go on as before. Its the way of appeasement and cowardice and why dictators always get their own way in the end. 

[Nojohndoe]

Now it will be interesting to see if the Russian Forces entering the separatist areas exacerbates or quietens the level of gunfire etc. It could be that despite it confirming the already recognized Russian support that it is also intended to prevent the provocation tactics the separatists were using ?

While it puts Russia in control it notches up the genuine threat of total invasion in face of demands.

 

[Excel]

23 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said:

Now it will be interesting to see if the Russian Forces entering the separatist areas exacerbates or quietens the level of gunfire etc. It could be that despite it confirming the already recognized Russian support that it is also intended to prevent the provocation tactics the separatists were using ?

While it puts Russia in control it notches up the genuine threat of total invasion in face of demands.

 

And if that escalates to become a European war zone then what an opportunity for China to move on Taiwan whilst the US is distracted and  not only in dissaray due to the Afganhistan debacle but also no doubt becoming the major force as the major Russian deterrent in Europe. Troubling times indeed. And if the latter occurs also then no doubt the Thais will put their hands up to the Chinese in double quick time just as they did with the Japanese all those years ago.

Edited February 22, 2022 by Excel

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Now that Putin has started this war, here is an interesting and depressing theory on where this will lead globally.

 

Yes globally including Thailand.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/21/ukraine-invasion-putin-goals-what-expect/

 

Let’s assume for a moment that Vladimir Putin succeeds in gaining full control of Ukraine, as he shows every intention of doing. What are the strategic and geopolitical consequences?

Paywall. Can you summarize?

[Jingthing]

Just now, John Drake said:

Paywall. Can you summarize?

It isn't. You can register to see some articles free.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He recognized two areas in sovereign Ukraine as independent and going in. That's a declaration of war.

So his defending Russians in breakaway regions who want to democratically want to be independent.

[tubby johnson]

Putin knows Biden is too frail to respond in a manly way. As for Kamala, .....  (hyena laughter)

 

Biden was appointed by the Democrats with one task: get rid of Trump by any means necessary. Mission accomplished and mentally tardy Biden can be shunted off to the side. Let the Pentagon and the Woke Saints run things from now on. USA is itching for a scrap with unwoke and disobedient Russia.

 

How it will affect us in Thailand? Higher gasoline prices, mainly. I hope Thailand isn't bullied by the USA into taking sides.

[Jingthing]

Just now, Kwasaki said:

So his defending Russians in breakaway regions who want to democratically want to be independent.

That's not how sovereign nations work, dear.

 

East LA is heavily Mexican. Mexico doesn't get to recognize it as a separate country, send tanks in, yes even though California used to belong to Mexico.

 

Putin has declared war on Ukraine. There is no other honest way to view it.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

Biden isn't invading Canada.

I do understand you view as a American but a Canadian who had work on the Keystone pipeline would disagree.

[Kwasaki]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

18 March 2014

So nothing new now then. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, Victornoir said:

And you US propaganda.

The inhabitants of Donbass are almost all Russian speakers and Russophiles, exactly like those of Crimea. For them the aggressor is the Ukrainian power under Western infusion.

Tonight, many will dance in the streets of Donetsk forcing us to reconsider our positions on our domocracies allegedly acting to help the oppressed.

Its irrelevant what they speak. 

[Kwasaki]

6 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's not how sovereign nations work, dear.

 

East LA is heavily Mexican. Mexico doesn't get to recognize it as a separate country, send tanks in, yes even though California used to belong to Mexico.

 

Putin has declared war on Ukraine. There is no other honest way to view it.

Well I will continue to be Putin's advocate and take the view of both sides of the story, the western powers have a ignorant understanding of Russia's concerns and there has been only threats and sanctions. 

[Gottfrid]

None whatsoever!

[Saanim]

3 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Why engage with blatant lies. Go elsewhere with your shilling for Putin.

You have got the chance to specify what are the "blatant lies". 

 

BTW, does this forum allow posts ad hominem?

[steevjee]

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Edited February 22, 2022 by steevjee
manners

[Saanim]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He recognized two areas in sovereign Ukraine as independent and going in. That's a declaration of war.

Can you enlighten us how a recognition of an independent state is a declaration of war?

 

When Kosovo was recognized (by some) as an independent state - and peacekeeping forces entered the territory - was that a declaration of war? (by those who recognized?)   

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, Saanim said:

Can you enlighten us how a recognition of an independent state is a declaration of war?

 

When Kosovo was recognized (by some) as an independent state - and peacekeeping forces entered the territory - was that a declaration of war? (by those who recognized?)   

Both new fake states just as Crimea are part of the sovereign nation of Ukraine.

[Jingthing]

35 minutes ago, tubby johnson said:

Putin knows Biden is too frail to respond in a manly way. As for Kamala, .....  (hyena laughter)

 

Biden was appointed by the Democrats with one task: get rid of Trump by any means necessary. Mission accomplished and mentally tardy Biden can be shunted off to the side. Let the Pentagon and the Woke Saints run things from now on. USA is itching for a scrap with unwoke and disobedient Russia.

 

How it will affect us in Thailand? Higher gasoline prices, mainly. I hope Thailand isn't bullied by the USA into taking sides.

Ignoring.that insipid Fox news style toxic rant it is obvious that both Russia and China sense expansionist opportunities due to a very deeply divided domestically hurting USA.

[Saanim]

Can we not give a credit to Putin's concern of his national security once there are mighty armies of 30 nations at his gates?

And that's all after a century of demonising, breaches of promises and treaties, despite many friendly proposals?

 

Aren't other countries concerned about threat to their national security - and to their fellow citizens  - even if the threat is on the other side of the world?

 

 

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Saanim said:

Can we not give a credit to Putin's concern of his national security once there are mighty armies of 30 nations at his gates?

And that's all after a century of demonising, breaches of promises and treaties, despite many friendly proposals?

 

Aren't other countries concerned about threat to their national security - and to their fellow citizens  - even if the threat is on the other side of the world?

Which country did NATO invade?

[Saanim]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Which country did NATO invade?

Google is your friend...

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Saanim said:

Google is your friend...

I did, there were none. You can't get away with "google is your friend" and find sympathy for your cause..

Edited February 22, 2022 by ozimoron

[Eloquent pilgrim]

There is a member on this forum ‘connda’ who has just posted a laughing emoji on my comment about Russian tanks and troops rolling into Ukraine; today is a very dark day for Europe, and indeed for the whole world, quite how anyone can find anything funny about it is completely beyond my comprehension.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[scubascuba3]

Did Ukraine resist at all? fightback of any kind? 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

2 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

When did Putin invade. 

Today ...... please try and keep up 

[Atlantis]

There is a time and place to criticize US / Western / Some Other Country’s foreign policy.

 

This ain’t it. Unless your real motive is to express your approval for the deadly aggression against a sovereign Ukraine. If so, just say it, so the rest of us can have clarity on your values.

 

Back to the Topic:

 

What is going to happen to expats now?Probably a further loss of civility among the community. Probably happening right now as I type.

 

 

[Mr Derek]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

That's not how sovereign nations work, dear.

 

East LA is heavily Mexican. Mexico doesn't get to recognize it as a separate country, send tanks in, yes even though California used to belong to Mexico.

 

Putin has declared war on Ukraine. There is no other honest way to view it.

You want someone to stop the music and for the whole world to stand still for ever more? Bad news for the insecure: that's not how the world works. There are still many artificial nations (I can remember clearly when Ukraine wasn't even a country) with arbitrarily drawn borders with enclaves of various populations stranded near the edges. The borders need to be redrawn or for populations to shift. But Ukraine won't redraw its borders and everyone is too lazy to move (unless they are migrating to Europe in which case they can't move fast enough - funny that) so the options are eternal conflict or resolution by force.

 

Russia is helping out Russian people who are trapped in a Ukrainian dictatorship. Not sure why anyone finds that that immoral. This has nothing at all to do with NATO, by the way. They are just pushing their noses in.

 

You said no discussion about politics then proceeded to push your own anti-Russian agenda so I guess we can all say what we want now.