Chomper Higgot Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 7 hours ago, placeholder said: Maybe not: Russia accused of using ‘bunker buster’ bombs to kill remaining Mariupol troops Around 1,000 civilians were still hiding in shelters beneath a steel plant in the besieged city, officials have said.. The commander of the Azov Regiment of the National Guard stationed in Mariupol, Denys Prokopenko, alleged Russian planes had began to deploy “bunker busters” to kill the last Ukrainian fighters and civilians sheltering in Azovstal steel plant - the scene of the city's last stand against the invaders' onslaught. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/russia-ukraine-bunker-bomb-mariupol-b2060505.html What mindset puts a ‘Thank you’ emoji on that news? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 5 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Yes, it may have some significance in some areas of the World , but I did mean to us here on this forum , whether we label them as being mercenaries , soldiers , soldiers of conscience (I still have no idea what that means ) , its not that important or significant , as its still the same person doing the same thing It might not be convenient to your position on this war to consider these individuals as mercenaries but please leave the rest of us to use the correct definitions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 Lets hope this stands and they get bogged down and destroyed but more weapons needed to keep this up! The battle for #Donbas goes so far by the same script as the battle for #Kyiv. #Russia is like a dog jumping up a fence that’s too high for it. The “fence” being the heroism of #UkrainianArmy, multiplied by help of the world. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 #UPDATE Ukraine called Wednesday for urgent negotiations with Russia in Mariupol, which appeared close to falling after weeks of siege, as Vladimir Putin flexed his military muscle with the test launch of a new, nuclear-capable ICBM Ukraine calls for talks in teetering Mariupol as Moscow holds ICBM test Ukraine called Wednesday for urgent negotiations with Russia in Mariupol, which appeared close to falling after weeks of siege, as Vladimir Putin flexed his military muscle with the test launch of a new, nuclear capable ICBM. Washington downplayed the test of the intercontinental ballistic missile and said it had been notified in advance, but Putin said it would make the Kremlin's enemies "think twice", raising tensions nearly two months after he invaded Ukraine and ignited a global crisis. https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-calls-talks-teetering-mariupol-213125611.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJRS1301 Posted April 20, 2022 Share Posted April 20, 2022 9 hours ago, rudi49jr said: It’s becoming increasingly clear that the Russian army, very likely following orders right from the Kremlin, have been behaving like animals in occupied territory. Indiscriminately bombing and leveling countless civilian targets like hospitals and apartment buildings, raping women and girls, torturing and executing hundreds (probably thousands?) of people; Hitler himself would have been very proud of them had they been German soldiers in WWII invading Russia. Never thought I’d see things like that happening again in Europe in my lifetime, but unfortunately I was very wrong. Russia has now become the evil empire that needs to be stopped, kicked back in its cage and contained forever. Animals rarely torture and rape . These people have only two descriptors "disgusting criminals". They are not soldiers , usually soldiers defend their own, or repel invaders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 19 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: If they are Russian people fighting for Russia , then they wouldn't be mercenaries because a mercenary is a person who fights for a Country that is foreign , we have already stablished that earlier in this thread , but as I also previously wrote in this thread, you can call them whatever you like Whatever they are, I think we can agree they are murderers, war criminals, rapists and animals. Their leaders should be indicted by the ICC. Russia has descended into barbarism and deserves to become a pariah state for decades,if not centuries. They have committed serious violations of the geneva convention wherever they have gone militarily since WW2. They make international agreements and then choose to ignore them. The elephant in the room is the rank fascism and disregard for the rule of law in everything they touch. Decency prevents me from saying what I really feel. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 35 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said: #UPDATE Ukraine called Wednesday for urgent negotiations with Russia in Mariupol, which appeared close to falling after weeks of siege, as Vladimir Putin flexed his military muscle with the test launch of a new, nuclear-capable ICBM Ukraine calls for talks in teetering Mariupol as Moscow holds ICBM test Ukraine called Wednesday for urgent negotiations with Russia in Mariupol, which appeared close to falling after weeks of siege, as Vladimir Putin flexed his military muscle with the test launch of a new, nuclear capable ICBM. Washington downplayed the test of the intercontinental ballistic missile and said it had been notified in advance, but Putin said it would make the Kremlin's enemies "think twice", raising tensions nearly two months after he invaded Ukraine and ignited a global crisis. https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-calls-talks-teetering-mariupol-213125611.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall Why on earth would Putin negotiate when he's winning in Mariupol? There was a time for negotiation, before the Russians crossed the border. Unfortunately that option was rejected. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mac Mickmanus Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: And the ones who aren’t Russian? Yes, as I previously wrote in this thread, non Russian would indeed be mercenaries 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: The British empire a commercial enterprise, not military, and most British military action in the British empire was undertaken by commercial armies who were not paid by or run by the Government. From a time when pirates enjoyed royal commissions for a cut of the spoils. At least some countries have moved on but they still retain some of the spoils of that era, like the Elgin marbles. Still, this isn't about Britain but the relevance is that they aren't still living in those barbaric times, unlike Russia. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 European Council President Charles Michel visited the town of Borodyanka on his trip to meet with Zelenskyy, where Ukraine suspects Russian troops carried out atrocities. "There are no words ... to explain what I feel. These are atrocities, these are war crimes. https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-04-21/ukraine-russia-war-live-updates-putin-zelenskyy/101004044 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 9 hours ago, Slip said: John form Guildford is arguably not a mercenary. The nazis from the wagner group fighting on behalf of Putin certainly are. If he's not Ukrainian and is captured, it's likely that John will not be a happy chappie. I doubt he will have Geneva Convention cover either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
metisdead Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 Some off topic deflection "whataboutery" troll posts and the replies have been removed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said: And the ones who aren’t Russian? Wagner are a rag tail bunch of assassins, rapists, and mercenaries in true legal definition for many of them as we all know and as you rightly mention they are certainly not all Russian. "Thus, Wagner contractors have been described as "ghost soldiers", due to the Russian government not officially acknowledging them On 7 April, it was reported that Wagner Group PMCs played a leading role in the Bucha massacre, according to Germany's Federal Intelligence Service. Intercepted radio communications allegedly suggested the atrocities were part of a plan to instill fear in the population.[187] Wagner is believed to have a Serb unit, which was, until at least April 2016, under the command of Davor Savičić, a Bosnian Serb[8] who was a member of the Serb Volunteer Guard. SBU issued arrest warrants in December 2017, for six Serbian PMCs that belonged to Wagner and fought in Ukraine, including Savičić.[87] In early February 2018" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wagner_Group 2018 Donbass Brothers: How Serbian Fighters Were Deployed in Ukraine Serbs carried out combat and counter-intelligence missions for several pro-Russia paramilitary units including the notorious Wagner group of mercenaries, BIRN has learned. https://balkaninsight.com/2018/12/13/donbass-brothers-how-serbian-fighters-were-deployed-in-ukraine-12-12-2018/ Edited April 21, 2022 by Bkk Brian 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rimmer Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 More troll and off topic bickering has been removed, also a totally incomprehensible post and replies Also now an unattributed post a reply 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris.B Posted April 21, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) 9 hours ago, tgw said: well, yes, they are mercenaries (all of them) in English language by the meaning of the word, i.e. hired soldiers, but mercenary is also a legal status defined by the UN, as well as by other countries which may or may not have the same definition as the UN, which means that some members of Wagner wouldn't be considered mercenaries if they are Russian or if their place of residence is Russia. However, as Russia has not declared war on Ukraine, these 'mercenaries' should be considered terrorists instead. ???? Edited April 21, 2022 by Chris.B 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 11 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: OK, here is a repost of what constitutes being a mercenary and thus shows that the wagner group fighting in Ukraine are not actually mercenaries (d) is neither a national of a Party to the conflict nor a resident of territory controlled by a Party to the conflict; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercenary https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10735955/3-000-Russias-feared-Wagner-mercenaries-killed-Ukraine-PMs-told.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 22 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10735955/3-000-Russias-feared-Wagner-mercenaries-killed-Ukraine-PMs-told.html 3,000 of Russia’s feared Wagner mercenaries have already been killed in Ukraine after 8,000 were sent in to boost Putin’s flagging invasion Daily Mail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Chris.B said: 3,000 of Russia’s feared Wagner mercenaries have already been killed in Ukraine after 8,000 were sent in to boost Putin’s flagging invasion Daily Mail Yeah l posted because a Wagner unit member is classed by all media as a mercenary no matter where they come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Chris.B said: 3,000 of Russia’s feared Wagner mercenaries have already been killed in Ukraine after 8,000 were sent in to boost Putin’s flagging invasion Daily Mail Plus the still yet to be discovered crimes, or they may never be discovered due to the murderers covering up all the evidence? "The BND told German leaders this shows how the killings were normalised and part of a deliberate strategy intended to sow fear and terror among the civilian population. Further recordings are being analysed by intelligence chiefs 'with great concern' which have not yet been pinpointed to a specific place in Ukraine. But they indicate crime scenes similar to Bucha in other cities across the country, particularly around Mariupol which remains under heavy bombardment." 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 1 hour ago, Chris.B said: 3,000 of Russia’s feared Wagner mercenaries have already been killed in Ukraine after 8,000 were sent in to boost Putin’s flagging invasion Daily Mail There was a large pile claimed to be of them posted on telegram today unfortunately blurring has now spread there to???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nauseus Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 On 4/19/2022 at 2:17 AM, Jingthing said: Much much more than a local scuffle: Francis Fukuyama on Putin, Trump and why Ukraine is key to saving liberal democracy | Salon.com This is mostly about Trump - not Ukraine - pathetic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bkk Brian Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) Change of tact, Putin now declares victory in Mariupol while leaving the Ukraine forces and civilians trapped in the steelworks Vladimir Putin has declared victory over the city of Mariupol after his forces spent weeks reducing it to rubble in a brutal medieval-style siege. Moscow’s ‘surrender-of-die’ ultimatum expired yesterday having been ignored by soldiers holed-up in the site. But now Putin has ordered his troops to block it ‘so that not even a fly comes through’, leaving those still inside facing starvation. Russian defence minister Sergei Shoigu said the steelworks turned fortress, which has taken heavy shelling, is now ‘securely blocked’. https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/21/putin-declares-victory-in-mariupol-and-claims-hes-liberated-city-16507359/ Also being reported on the BBC In a televised meeting, across a small table from his defence minister, Putin said there was "no need to climb into these catacombs and crawl underground through these industrial facilities". Instead, he called for his forces to "block off this industrial area so that not even a fly can escape". He added it would be "impractical" to storm the huge industrial area, where more than 2,000 Ukrainian servicemen are said to remain, and the decision was being made to safeguard the lives of Russian soldiers. Edited April 21, 2022 by metisdead 14) You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Please only post a link, the headline and the first three sentences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chris.B Posted April 21, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) Putin in humiliating U-Turn as troops told to ABANDON storming key plant after resistance VLADIMIR PUTIN has performed a humiliating U-turn, ordering his troops to abandon plans to storm a key plant after they faced tough resistance. Russian troops had previously been ordered to storm the Azovstal plant in the strategically important Ukrainian port city of Mariupol. The fall of the city into Russian hands appeared just last week to be imminent. Daily Express Edited April 21, 2022 by metisdead 14) You will not post any copyrighted material except as fair use laws apply (as in the case of news articles). Please only post a link, the headline and the first three sentences. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 4 hours ago, Chris.B said: 3,000 of Russia’s feared Wagner mercenaries have already been killed in Ukraine after 8,000 were sent in to boost Putin’s flagging invasion Daily Mail If true (I hope so) then it is probably because Russia is using them as cannon fodder. I'm sure mercenaries from Syria, Chechnya, and other places also will be treated as disposable. Someone would have to be desperate, or desperately uninformed, to take that kind of job. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwasaki Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 45 minutes ago, Chris.B said: Putin in humiliating U-Turn as troops told to ABANDON storming key plant after resistance VLADIMIR PUTIN has performed a humiliating U-turn, ordering his troops to abandon plans to storm a key plant after they faced tough resistance. Russian troops had previously been ordered to storm the Azovstal plant in the strategically important Ukrainian port city of Mariupol. The fall of the city into Russian hands appeared just last week to be imminent. Respected military analysts had warned Ukrainian soldiers could be forced to surrender “within hours”. But the resistance against Russia’s efforts has been maintained and Putin has ordered his troops to attempt another strategy for taking the plant and the wider city. Daily Express Doesn't sound that good why not reveal all the report, heard today Putin said block it up that doesn't sound good for those inside does it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 6 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Doesn't sound that good why not reveal all the report, heard today Putin said block it up that doesn't sound good for those inside does it. Putin giving up riders to his military that failed to carry out the last orders he gave. I agree, doesn’t sound that good to me either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted April 21, 2022 Share Posted April 21, 2022 56 minutes ago, heybruce said: If true (I hope so) then it is probably because Russia is using them as cannon fodder. I'm sure mercenaries from Syria, Chechnya, and other places also will be treated as disposable. Someone would have to be desperate, or desperately uninformed, to take that kind of job. How desperate is Putin having to recruit from Syria and Chechnya to get troops to fight his war of aggression in which the Russian military are being humiliated? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post rudi49jr Posted April 21, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 21, 2022 5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: How desperate is Putin having to recruit from Syria and Chechnya to get troops to fight his war of aggression in which the Russian military are being humiliated? And more and more Russian soldiers reportedly refuse to fight in Ukraine: https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-ukraine-treason-soldiers-refusing-to-fight/31806466.html 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 34 minutes ago, Kwasaki said: Doesn't sound that good why not reveal all the report, heard today Putin said block it up that doesn't sound good for those inside does it. Let them Russkies know not to unpack their suitcases because they ain't going to be there long! ???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris.B Posted April 21, 2022 Author Share Posted April 21, 2022 (edited) Putin Wants To Save The Lives of His Soldiers VIDEO: Putin Orders Army Not To Attack Steel Plant ???????????? Edited April 21, 2022 by Chris.B 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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