Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[jvs]

https://www.un.org/en/our-work

They are not only there to help stop or prevent wars.

 

[Mavideol]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

To be fair its the UN security Council that is the major problem and the veto that Russia has, its used it more times than any other country. That's where it needs to be kicked out.

agree with that and if you look at past comments, I have been saying the same, the Chinetoques and Ruskoffs should be kicked out, re-structure the UN and not give them veto power under ANY circumstances

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

I didn’t realise you had replied. This forum is not a live stream.

Considering you edited your post 10 mins, yes its time stamped after I had already relied forgive me for not believing you.

[BarraMarra]

Mmmm let's try this one. If your Neighbor fancies improving his Shrubbery by smashing your fence down and replanting his favorite blooms in a part that used to be your garden would you look the other way or pull his new potted plants out and throw them back over his fence  Gweiloman? 

[Mavideol]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

The problem with reliable source(s) depends on who’s moderating and who’s reading it. What constitutes a reliable source? State governments? Some so called expert on CNN? Only if you’re on this side. Views and opinions of scholars and intellectuals that don’t fit the narrative are described as pro-Russia (as if that’s automatically wrong). If Putin himself says that the US instigated the war, do you think members on here would accept this as a reliable source? Rhetorical question lol.

so your opinion is merely rhetorical then, no substance to back up your narrative, that could be interpreted as being a pro-Russia..... maybe you don't know but Putin has been claiming, week on & week off, the US has instigated the war in Ukraine, the week after he claims it's Nato, the week later it's the EU, what narrative should I consider here

[Gweiloman]

10 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

You may like to ask about the starving People in countries in Africa that have no grain thanks to Russia stealing grain silos in Ukraine and transporting it to Russia, or parts of Europe freezing in the winter months due to Russia turning the gas off to Europe. So yes it does affect other Countries.

If Europe didn’t sanction Russia, and Biden didn’t put an end to NS2, then the gas could still be flowing. Russia wants to continue selling gas to Europe, thus the plans to make Turkiye the gas hub as no other nation is willing. 

[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

so your opinion is merely rhetorical then, no substance to back up your narrative, that could be interpreted as being a pro-Russia..... maybe you don't know but Putin has been claiming, week on & week off, the US has instigated the war in Ukraine, the week after he claims it's Nato, the week later it's the EU, what narrative should I consider here

Whichever one you believe, based on your own analysis and research.

[BarraMarra]

5 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

If Europe didn’t sanction Russia, and Biden didn’t put an end to NS2, then the gas could still be flowing. Russia wants to continue selling gas to Europe, thus the plans to make Turkiye the gas hub as no other nation is willing. 

Blaming others won't cut it Gweiloman " IF " Russia had not invaded another country we would not have the problems we have because of one Man accept it or deny it.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

If Europe didn’t sanction Russia, and Biden didn’t put an end to NS2, then the gas could still be flowing. Russia wants to continue selling gas to Europe, thus the plans to make Turkiye the gas hub as no other nation is willing. 

Russia cut off gas supplies and clearly said it would not reinstate them until sanctions were lifted.

 

Russia has cut off gas supplies to Europe indefinitely. Here’s what you need to know

 

No problem, Europe has over 90% in reserve now and gas prices are going down

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

I guess you won’t be answering my question any time soon then… Mai bpen rai.

The one you edited on.............no, I won't, its not about me its about Russia and Ukraine

 

[Gweiloman]

10 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Blaming others won't cut it Gweiloman " IF " Russia had not invaded another country we would not have the problems we have because of one Man accept it or deny it.

Rather simplistic view in my opinion.

[Bkk Brian]

No good supplying a paywall article

[candide]

23 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Russia cut off gas supplies and clearly said it would not reinstate them until sanctions were lifted.

 

Russia has cut off gas supplies to Europe indefinitely. Here’s what you need to know

 

No problem, Europe has over 90% in reserve now and gas prices are going down

Right, but still evoking force majeure as a cause.

 “Of course. The very sanctions that prevent the maintenance of units, which prevent them from moving without appropriate legal guarantees, which prevent these legal guarantees from being given, and so on.”

“It is precisely these sanctions that the Western states have introduced that have brought the situation to what we see now,” Peskov added."

 

Officially, Russia is not cutting supplies, It's forced to do it for technical reasons! ????

Edited October 29, 2022 by candide

[Gweiloman]

13 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No good supplying a paywall article

Strange, I typed into Google, bass moving to China and google returned some hits including FT. I clicked on it and was able to read the article even though I’m not subscribed. Anyway, looks like mod has deleted my post so it’s been deemed off topic I guess.

[Rimmer]

Some off topic bickering posts and replies removed

[metisdead]

UN report details horrifying Ukrainian accounts of rape, torture and executions by Russian troops

 

KEY POINTS

• A U.N. report says Russian forces committed an array of war crimes, including summary executions, torture, rape and other acts of sexual violence against Ukrainian civilians.
• The report also documents Russian forces unlawfully confining Ukrainian civilians in overcrowded makeshift facilities before carrying out interrogation sessions which involved methods of torture.
• Moscow has repeatedly denied allegations that its forces deliberately target civilians since the full-scale invasion began in late February.

Read more here:  https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/28/russia-ukraine-war-un-report-details-accounts-of-rape-torture-and-executions.html

[Bkk Brian]

Back on topic..............fortunately the new right wing Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni agree's with the majority of Europe.

 

ROME (Reuters) -The only way to facilitate a peace deal between Russia and Ukraine is helping Kyiv to defend itself militarily, Italian Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni told parliament on Wednesday.

https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2022-10-26/only-way-to-peace-is-helping-ukraine-fight-italys-pm-says

[rudi49jr]

28 minutes ago, metisdead said:

UN report details horrifying Ukrainian accounts of rape, torture and executions by Russian troops

 

KEY POINTS

• A U.N. report says Russian forces committed an array of war crimes, including summary executions, torture, rape and other acts of sexual violence against Ukrainian civilians.
• The report also documents Russian forces unlawfully confining Ukrainian civilians in overcrowded makeshift facilities before carrying out interrogation sessions which involved methods of torture.
• Moscow has repeatedly denied allegations that its forces deliberately target civilians since the full-scale invasion began in late February.

Read more here:  https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/28/russia-ukraine-war-un-report-details-accounts-of-rape-torture-and-executions.html

Looks like the good old UN is good for something after all….

 

Hope they keep documenting all the war crimes Russia is committing on a daily basis. And maybe some day there will be a UN tribunal where those responsible will be held accountable. I’m not holding my breath, but it’s nice to think it could happen. 

[BarraMarra]

Well war crimes committed in Bosnia were investigated and those accountable were sentanced. It will take time maybe years but these Russian thugs will be prosecuted. Already acts comitted are processed with some being identified and named. Putin and lavrov will evade justice 1 way another in my opinion.

[coolcarer]

This is sounding good, wait for some further confirmation 

 

 

[rudi49jr]

Except for those collaborating with the Orcs, Ukrainians will never bow down to the Russian oppressors.

 

 

[candide]

1 hour ago, coolcarer said:

This is sounding good, wait for some further confirmation 

 

 

Apparently, Ukraine used underwater drones. Russia claims no damage.

Sorry, It's from the Daily Mail, but they show interesting pictures.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11367993/Explosions-hit-key-naval-port-Sevastopol-Crimea-Russia-claim-major-Ukraine-drone-assault.html

[tgw]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Apparently, Ukraine used underwater drones. Russia claims no damage.

Sorry, It's from the Daily Mail, but they show interesting pictures.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11367993/Explosions-hit-key-naval-port-Sevastopol-Crimea-Russia-claim-major-Ukraine-drone-assault.html

I geolocated the location with smoke to 44.580305299874105, 33.41623956639925

 

it looks like training grounds for the army.

 

I'm not sure the photos show anything of importance.

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, candide said:

Apparently, Ukraine used underwater drones. Russia claims no damage.

Sorry, It's from the Daily Mail, but they show interesting pictures.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11367993/Explosions-hit-key-naval-port-Sevastopol-Crimea-Russia-claim-major-Ukraine-drone-assault.html

Also on the BBC now and Russia is accusing UK specialists of being involved lol

 

Massive' drone attack on Black Sea Fleet - Russia

 

Russia has accused Ukraine of carrying out a "massive" drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol.

At least one warship was damaged in the strikes, involving nine drones. Ukraine has not commented on the attack.

Russian officials also accused British specialists of being involved, without providing any evidence

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63437212

[tgw]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Also on the BBC now and Russia is accusing UK specialists of being involved lol

 

Massive' drone attack on Black Sea Fleet - Russia

 

Russia has accused Ukraine of carrying out a "massive" drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol.

At least one warship was damaged in the strikes, involving nine drones. Ukraine has not commented on the attack.

Russian officials also accused British specialists of being involved, without providing any evidence

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63437212

Ruzzia accusing UK of being involved is a good sign - it means the attack caused noticeable damage.

[rudi49jr]

24 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Russia has accused Ukraine of carrying out a "massive" drone attack on the Black Sea Fleet in the Crimean port city of Sevastopol.

So raining Iranian kamikaze drones on Ukrainian civil targets is okay, but when Ukraine sends drones to attack legitimate Russian military targets it’s not? Can’t have it both ways, Vlad, so either stop attacking Ukrainian civil targets, or quit b*tching when Ukraine strikes back. 

[rudi49jr]

Russia accuses UK navy of blowing up Nord Stream.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-says-british-navy-personnel-blew-up-nord-stream-gas-pipelines-2022-10-29/

[Social Media]

 

[tgw]

drone footage from the Ukrainian attack at Sevastopol

 

looks like the Black Sea Fleet's new Flagship, the Admiral Makarov has been hit

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

The footage of the Russian helicopters firing at the drone is amazing

 

Also tweeted by BBC journalist James Waterhouse.