Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[DezLez]

47 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

we took on the Argentine army on the ground,

And also in the air and sea in, and around, the 200 mile exclusion zone.

 

There is one know exception: 

The S.A.S. aborted Operation Mikado: a failed raid on Rio Grande which went wrong!

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[DezLez]

8 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Russia is not fighting a conventional war there using civilians to defeat Ukraine for what purpose?

To boost a dictator's ego and a (failing) attempt to cling onto power!

 

I agree totally with your comments/observations.

 

I have/am only adding additional factual info to your "spot on" observations to try and deflect the "but the .... did this brigade".

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[BarraMarra]

This makes us wonder how the once mighty Red Army is under Putin. If they can't take a Country the size of Ukraine. Their Airforce has had to use long-range Bombers because there fighters are to easily shot down over urban areas, and their navy has to stay away from land for fear of being hit by land-based missile systems, There newly mobilized units don't even have winter clothing and rusty old Assault rifles.

[BarraMarra]

Well DezLez there are plenty on here that just want to spoil threads when they can't accept the Truth.

[Gweiloman]

1 minute ago, BarraMarra said:

This makes us wonder how the once mighty Red Army is under Putin. If they can't take a Country the size of Ukraine. Their Airforce has had to use long-range Bombers because there fighters are to easily shot down over urban areas, and their navy has to stay away from land for fear of being hit by land-based missile systems, There newly mobilized units don't even have winter clothing and rusty old Assault rifles.

Ukraine’s defence is greatly aided by weapons from NATO and the US. Russia’s not doing too badly, considering.

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1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Incorrect. Fuel prices soaring is due to sanctions imposed on Russian oil and gas and the bombing of NS2 which effectively ended the possibility of re-supply of Russian gas to Europe.

 

So, OPEC+ has played no part in the rise in fuel prices? You really want to go with that?

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1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Incorrect. Fuel prices soaring is due to sanctions imposed on Russian oil and gas and the bombing of NS2 which effectively ended the possibility of re-supply of Russian gas to Europe.

 

Kids starving in Africa is partly due to majority of grain being shipped to Europe instead of Africa, I believe.

 

I don’t know why Russia wants to steal Ukraine’s grain as it has much more grain than Ukraine but unable to ship it out, I believe.

Really? So OPEC+ has played only an inconsequential role in the rise of the price of oil?

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1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

I don’t know why Russia wants to steal Ukraine’s grain as it has much more grain than Ukraine but unable to ship it out, I believe.

You really don't understand why people or countries steal things? Let me clue you in. They steal things because they are worth money. So Ukrainians put all the labor into growing, harvesting and storing the grain, and then the Russian steal it and sell it. Is that clear now? 

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[Gweiloman]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So, OPEC+ has played no part in the rise in fuel prices? You really want to go with that?

 

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Really? So OPEC+ has played only an inconsequential role in the rise of the price of oil?

I believe the price of gas shot up after the conflict started but has since come down. Still about 10x of the pre-conflict price.

 

The price of oil actually decreased after OPEC’s announcement of the cut. I can look for links if necessary.

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1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

 

I believe the price of gas shot up after the conflict started but has since come down. Still about 10x of the pre-conflict price.

 

The price of oil actually decreased after OPEC’s announcement of the cut. I can look for links if necessary.

The history of OPEC's oil policy after the invasion of Russia doesn't begin with the recent cut.

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22 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Ukraine’s defence is greatly aided by weapons from NATO and the US. Russia’s not doing too badly, considering.

Not doing too badly? In the beginning of the war, when Ukraine didn't have much in the way of weapons, it defeated the Russians utterly in their Western advance on Ukraine. They're sending virtually untrained soldiers to fight with inadequate equipment. I don't think the Russian armed forces command much respect anymore.

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

from NATO and the US

The last time I checked The US was a founding member of NATO and many non NATO countries are invoking UN (please note;  not NATO sanctions) but UN sanctions!

 

 

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correcting punctuation marks!

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45 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The history of OPEC's oil policy after the invasion of Russia doesn't begin with the recent cut.

Also, prices would have gone even lower had OPEC not made the cut.

[Lite Beer]

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[Mavideol]

3 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Incorrect. Fuel prices soaring is due to sanctions imposed on Russian oil and gas and the bombing of NS2 which effectively ended the possibility of re-supply of Russian gas to Europe.

incorrect, very extremely incorrect and misleading post.... fuel & gas & grain prices soaring because the mother fukkkr Vlad invaded Ukraine without a reason to do so, nobody else's fault but Vlad Putin/Russia oligarchs/mafia, nobody else, if you do think otherwise, I would suggest you to get some help as you're damaged goods

[Mavideol]

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

This makes us wonder how the once mighty Red Army is under Putin. If they can't take a Country the size of Ukraine. Their Airforce has had to use long-range Bombers because there fighters are to easily shot down over urban areas, and their navy has to stay away from land for fear of being hit by land-based missile systems, There newly mobilized units don't even have winter clothing and rusty old Assault rifles.

sorry but have to disagree with your assessment of the Red Army as they NEVER were Mighty, big fanfare & propaganda making the world believe they were mighty as they were never challenged, look at them now running away like rats

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Ukraine’s defence is greatly aided by weapons from NATO and the US. Russia’s not doing too badly, considering.

So clearly Russia's much bragged about military is no match for NATO.  I wonder why Putin doesn't explain that to his people.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

 

I believe the price of gas shot up after the conflict started but has since come down. Still about 10x of the pre-conflict price.

 

The price of oil actually decreased after OPEC’s announcement of the cut. I can look for links if necessary.

Natural gas in Europe has risen in price, due to its reliance on Russian imports.  Gas in the rest of the world are higher than the historic average, but not a lot higher.   https://www.macrotrends.net/2478/natural-gas-prices-historical-chart

 

As Europe increases its ability to import and distribute LNG, prices will come down there.

[rudi49jr]

Oleg Tinkov renounces Russian citizenship: “can’t be associated with a fascist country”.

 

Wish there were more who had the guts to do this.

 

 

[DezLez]

1 hour ago, heybruce said:

So clearly Russia's much bragged about military is no match for NATO.

But he is not fighting NATO troops.  He is fighting Ukrainians armed with their own weapons and also weapons and other indirect support from  non Russian aligned countries. They are not all/or NATO countries that support Ukraine!

 

[DezLez]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Ukraine’s defence is greatly aided by weapons from NATO and the US. Russia’s not doing too badly, considering.

As I said earlier the US was a founding member of NATO and still an integral part. 

The aid to Ukraine is coming from many countries many outside of Europe/NATO; 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

[Gweiloman]

27 minutes ago, rudi49jr said:

Oleg Tinkov renounces Russian citizenship: “can’t be associated with a fascist country”.

 

Wish there were more who had the guts to do this.

 

I wonder if he will now be taken off the sanctions list

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/foreign-secretary-announces-65-new-russian-sanctions-to-cut-off-vital-industries-fuelling-putins-war-machine

[Gweiloman]

3 hours ago, DezLez said:

The last time I checked The US was a founding member of NATO and many non NATO countries are invoking UN (please note;  not NATO sanctions) but UN sanctions!

 

 

Aren’t all members of the UN obliged to follow UN sanctions?

[Bkk Brian]

Iran is preparing to send additional weapons including ballistic missiles to Russia to use in Ukraine, western officials say

 

Iran is preparing to send approximately 1,000 additional weapons, including surface-to-surface short range ballistic missiles and more attack drones, to Russia to use in its war against Ukraine, officials from a western country that closely monitors Iran’s weapons program told CNN.

The shipment is being closely monitored because it would be the first instance of Iran sending advanced precision guided missiles to Russia, which could give the Kremlin a substantial boost on the battlefield.

The last shipment of weapons from Iran to Russia included about 450 drones, officials said, which the Russians have already used to deadly effect in Ukraine. Ukrainian officials said last week that they have shot down more than 300 Iranian drones.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/iran-missiles-russia/index.html

[Bkk Brian]

Calling Putin's bluff. Following on from 12 ships yesterday, today 3 more grain ships left Ukraine ports, despite Russia suspending backing of the scheme. UN coordinating centre says ships movement was agreed by #Ukraine, Turkey & UN, while Russia was "informed." LOL

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63467042

 

Russia is ready to return to "grain deal" and allow bringing grain out of Ukraine if Kyiv guarantees the safety of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, - Russian media

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

New Report - Through six case studies, we show how the Russian military targeted civilian infrastructure in Severodonetsk. It's more verified evidence of how, despite denials, the Kremlin is breaking international law in Ukraine.

https://www.info-res.org/post/targeting-severodonetsk-the-relentless-attacks-on-civilian-infrastructure-through-six-case-studies

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25 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Iran is preparing to send additional weapons including ballistic missiles to Russia to use in Ukraine, western officials say

 

Iran is preparing to send approximately 1,000 additional weapons, including surface-to-surface short range ballistic missiles and more attack drones, to Russia to use in its war against Ukraine, officials from a western country that closely monitors Iran’s weapons program told CNN.

The shipment is being closely monitored because it would be the first instance of Iran sending advanced precision guided missiles to Russia, which could give the Kremlin a substantial boost on the battlefield.

The last shipment of weapons from Iran to Russia included about 450 drones, officials said, which the Russians have already used to deadly effect in Ukraine. Ukrainian officials said last week that they have shot down more than 300 Iranian drones.

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/11/01/politics/iran-missiles-russia/index.html

If the Iran nuclear agreement was still in effect, this wouldn't be happening.

[DezLez]

57 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Aren’t all members of the UN obliged to follow UN sanctions?

No. Russia does not! It veto's them!

 

The UN imposed sanctions on the Dictator's invasion as did many countries, some of which are members of NATO. some are not.  Read the link I provided.

 

I also suggest you read up on the purpose of NATO; (and the UN)

NATO is a collective security system: its independent member states agree to defend each other against attacks by third parties; It is NOT there to invade other countries unless a member state has been invaded.

 

The key section of the treaty is Article 5.  It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state, in Europe or North America, to be an armed attack against them all.  

 

NATO is an alliance of 30 sovereign states and their individual sovereignty is unaffected by participation in the alliance. NATO has no parliaments, no laws, no enforcement, and no power to punish individual citizens.

 

There is no such thing as a NATO sanctions in this current situation!

 

 

 

 

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[heybruce]

2 hours ago, DezLez said:

But he is not fighting NATO troops.  He is fighting Ukrainians armed with their own weapons and also weapons and other indirect support from  non Russian aligned countries. They are not all/or NATO countries that support Ukraine!

 

True, and I meant no disrespect in my post to the brave Ukrainians defending their country.  However if Russia can not defeat a small country that only has a few months experience with western weapons I don't think Russia would do any better against NATO countries that have years of training and practice with the same and better weapons.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Calling Putin's bluff. Following on from 12 ships yesterday, today 3 more grain ships left Ukraine ports, despite Russia suspending backing of the scheme. UN coordinating centre says ships movement was agreed by #Ukraine, Turkey & UN, while Russia was "informed." LOL

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63467042

 

Russia is ready to return to "grain deal" and allow bringing grain out of Ukraine if Kyiv guarantees the safety of the Black Sea Fleet in Crimea, - Russian media

 

 

Unless Russia is willing to guarantee that its Black Sea fleet will not be used against Ukraine, its unrealistic to ask Ukraine to not target the fleet.