Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[GroveHillWanderer]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

I thought the majority were from Russian prisons. That's where he was recruiting the bulk of them until it got stopped.

They've only started recruiting prisoners since the invasion of Ukraine. It's not clear whether they make up the majority of their personnel, as estimates of their numbers vary. They do seem to make up the majority of their casualties in Ukraine recently though, with one estimate saying that 90% of Wagner's casualties since December have been convicts.

Edited June 27, 2023 by GroveHillWanderer

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, GroveHillWanderer said:

They've only started recruiting prisoners since the invasion of Ukraine. It's not clear whether they make up the majority of their personnel, as estimates of their numbers vary.

US estimates are 80% of those that were in Ukraine:

 

About 80% of Wagner's troops in Ukraine have been drawn from prisons, the US National Security Council said at the start of this year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60947877

[GroveHillWanderer]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

US estimates are 80% of those that were in Ukraine:

 

About 80% of Wagner's troops in Ukraine have been drawn from prisons, the US National Security Council said at the start of this year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60947877

OK, that would make them the majority of Wagner's troops in Ukraine but but necessarily the majority of their entire forces.

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said:

OK, that would make them the majority of Wagner's troops in Ukraine but but necessarily the majority of their entire forces.

This is about Ukraine not Wagner troops in other countries. 

[BarraMarra]

To end this GHW mercenaries from around the world including Brits are fighting for Ukraine's forces. Doesn't matter if its 1 or a thousand foreign fighters are in Ukraine. On another story, Putin's lapdog Lakoshenko will grass up Progazhin to Vlad if he gets wind of his whereabouts if he is in Belarus. He Progozhin must be a dead man walking.

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5 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

To end this GHW mercenaries from around the world including Brits are fighting for Ukraine's forces. Doesn't matter if its 1 or a thousand foreign fighters are in Ukraine. On another story, Putin's lapdog Lakoshenko will grass up Progazhin to Vlad if he gets wind of his whereabouts if he is in Belarus. He Progozhin must be a dead man walking.

They're not mercenaries if they enlist in the Ukraine armed forces and are subject to the same rules as are Ukrainian soldiers. There are also ex soldiers working in the Ukraine on a volunteer basis. If they're not getting paid, then they're not mercenaries.

[steven100]

source:https://news.yahoo.com/

 

 

Edited June 27, 2023 by steven100

[steven100]

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

US estimates are 80% of those that were in Ukraine:

 

About 80% of Wagner's troops in Ukraine have been drawn from prisons, the US National Security Council said at the start of this year.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-60947877

https://news.yahoo.com/ex-convict-returned-war-russian-062212676.html

Wagner leader Yevgeny Prigozhin said he had recruited 50,000 convicts for Ukraine, an estimate also made by Olga Romanova, director of the prisoner rights group Russia Behind Bars. Western military officials say convicts formed the bulk of Wagner’s force there.

About 32,000 have returned from Ukraine, Prigozhin said last week, before his abortive rebellion against the Defense Ministry. Romanova estimated it to be about 15,000 as of early June.

Those prisoners agreeing to join Wagner were promised freedom after their service, and President Vladimir Putin recently confirmed that he was “signing pardon decrees” for convicts fighting in Ukraine. Those decrees have not been made public.

 

read the full story: https://news.yahoo.com/ex-convict-returned-war-russian-062212676.html

 

 

[BarraMarra]

Two Cruise missiles struck a Restaurant and shopping area in Kramatorsk last night around 8 pm killing up to 9 so far including children. Bodies are still being pulled out this morning. President Zelensky has described the attack as an Act of Terror knowing civilians will be out and eating at that time. Yet another war crime committed by the Kremlin Butcher.

[Mavideol]

inch by inch / centimeter by centimeter Ukraine is taking it's land back and kicking some arrrrssssesss... just imagine what they could be doing if allowed to use long range missiles, Vlad and Wagner would be ashes in no time

Ukraine recaptures territory held by Russia since 2014

https://au.yahoo.com/news/ukraine-recaptures-territory-held-russia-071330729.html

Edited June 28, 2023 by Mavideol

[BarraMarra]

Sky news have just released a statement from the Kremlin regarding the missile attack on kramarorsk saying " We do not target Civillians " lying B       ds.

[Mavideol]

2 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Sky news have just released a statement from the Kremlin regarding the missile attack on kramarorsk saying " We do not target Civillians " lying B       ds.

yeahhh and the Pope is catholic .... it's been 1 year since they did exactly the same and said exactly the same

Russian missiles strike busy shopping centre in the Ukrainian city of Kremenchuk

Posted Tue 28 Jun 2022 at 12:10amTuesday 28 Jun 2022 at 12:10am, updated Tue 28 Jun 2022 at 8:13am

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-28/russian-missiles-strike-kremenchuk-shopping-mall/10

[BarraMarra]

Ukraine really wants to start targeting Pizza Restaurants if there close enough to hit Rostok. Who cares what the Snowflakes think watch Russia putting unarmed Civilians in Russian body bags and see how Shoigu like seeing that.

Edited June 28, 2023 by BarraMarra

[BarraMarra]

information has come from a Ukrainian detained passing information to Russian military that targeted a Piza resturant im kramatorsk he paseed info that Ukrainian soldiers were using it due to its close proximity of the front line. Most in the Resturant were young two of the dead were 14yr old twin girls sickening.

[GroveHillWanderer]

16 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Ukraine really wants to start targeting Pizza Restaurants if there close enough to hit Rostok. Who cares what the Snowflakes think watch Russia putting unarmed Civilians in Russian body bags and see how Shoigu like seeing that.

People from all around the world are (quite rightly) condemning Russia for deliberately killing innocent civilians.

 

Why on earth would you want Ukraine to sink to the same levels of depravity and barbarity?

[spidermike007]

Wait until they are over a park or less populated area, then shoot them down with shoulder mounted missiles. Few things are more spectacular than a Russian military helicopter falling out of the sky. 

[Bkk Brian]

Some good news for Ukraine following that so called Russian mutiny:

 

The loss of this aircraft is likely to have a negative impact on Russian air and land operations. In the short term the psychological shock of losing a large number of aircrew in this manner will almost certainly damage morale within the Russian Aerospace Force.

 

In the longer term, there is a possibility that current tasking levels may have to be reduced to safely manage the remaining fleet. This will likely undermine Russia's ability to command and coordinate its forces, particularly during periods of high tempo operations.

 

 

https://twitter.com/DefenceHQ/status/1674296770250113026

 

[BarraMarra]

it's not a case of stooping to their level of depravity GHW a simple lesson is all that is required a 1 off so to speak to let Russia know how it feels to have a Russian shopping mall or restaurant deliberately targeted. Let them feel pain and suffering.

[jvs]

41 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

it's not a case of stooping to their level of depravity GHW a simple lesson is all that is required a 1 off so to speak to let Russia know how it feels to have a Russian shopping mall or restaurant deliberately targeted. Let them feel pain and suffering.

No,attacking and killing civilians is an illegal act of war.

After the war is over the guilty parties will get their punishment.

Doing the same things as the russians did is not the way to go.

I can understand how you feel but there are laws and reacting in anger maybe just what the russians need/want to commit even more illegal acts.They would probably be in the same frame of mind as you are now.

The court in The Hague will be a busy place.

 

[rabas]

49 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

it's not a case of stooping to their level of depravity GHW a simple lesson is all that is required a 1 off so to speak to let Russia know how it feels to have a Russian shopping mall or restaurant deliberately targeted. Let them feel pain and suffering.

Putin and his cronies would feel no more pain for dead Russian civilians than they do for innocent Ukrainians they regularly kill and maim. 

 

OTH, Ukraine must be able to attack any Russian force or infrastructure that contributes to the war anywhere including in Russia. Many military specialists with Washington's ear have been calling for longer range weapons to do just this, to little avail. Washington has missed important opportunities. When Putin blew up the dam, Ukraine should have been able to permanently destroy the Crimean bridge the next day. Putin would then understand that was one dam too far.

 

Edited June 29, 2023 by rabas

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, BarraMarra said:

a simple lesson is all that is required a 1 off so to speak to let Russia know how it feels

Russia as a country might know about it but the general population would never hear about! So what is the point of stooping to Putin's level?

[Mavideol]

31 minutes ago, rabas said:

Putin and his cronies would feel no more pain for dead Russian civilians than they do for innocent Ukrainians they regularly kill and maim. 

 

OTH, Ukraine must be able to attack any Russian force or infrastructure that contributes to the war anywhere including in Russia. Many military specialists with Washington's ear have been calling for longer range weapons to do just this, to little avail. Washington has missed important opportunities. When Putin blew up the dam, Ukraine should have been able to permanently destroy the Crimean bridge the next day. Putin would then understand that was one dam too far.

 

Biden is doing the same as Obama did, they give small pieces of "candy" but never the all cake under the pretension they don't want upset Russia or want to avoid direct confrontation, Russia keeps repeating the same over and over that they are at war with the  EU/NATO and USA, thus by Russia standards there is already direct confrontation, just give Ukraine the long range missiles and the F16's and the Orcs will move back to their country... EU/Nato/USA stop the excuses, either they help or don't help but no more excuses for not giving what has been promised

[rudi49jr]

Apparently a couple of big shot Russian generals have gone missing over the last couple of days:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/where-are-russias-top-generals-rumours-swirl-after-mercenary-mutiny-2023-06-28/

 

The plot thickens……

[rabas]

1 hour ago, rudi49jr said:

Apparently a couple of big shot Russian generals have gone missing over the last couple of days:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/where-are-russias-top-generals-rumours-swirl-after-mercenary-mutiny-2023-06-28/

 

The plot thickens……

Do you mean ... big 'shot' Russian generals?

 

[BarraMarra]

6 hours ago, rabas said:

Do you mean ... big 'shot' Russian generals?

 

There on Holiday 1 guess where they have gone.

[Bkk Brian]

13 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

Apparently a couple of big shot Russian generals have gone missing over the last couple of days:

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/where-are-russias-top-generals-rumours-swirl-after-mercenary-mutiny-2023-06-28/

 

The plot thickens……

They must be on the growing list of VIP Wagner members, 30 of them identified so far

 

Russian Gen. Sergey Surovikin was secret VIP member of Wagner, documents show

Documents shared exclusively with CNN suggest that Russian Gen. Sergey Surovikin was a secret VIP member of the Wagner private military company. 

The documents, obtained by the Russian investigative Dossier Center, showed that Surovikin had a personal registration number with Wagner. Surovikin is listed along with at least 30 other senior Russian military and intelligence officials, who the Dossier Center said are also VIP Wagner members. 

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-29-23/h_f3cb66107686a173d74307a8cb8775b8

[rudi49jr]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

They must be on the growing list of VIP Wagner members, 30 of them identified so far

 

Russian Gen. Sergey Surovikin was secret VIP member of Wagner, documents show

Documents shared exclusively with CNN suggest that Russian Gen. Sergey Surovikin was a secret VIP member of the Wagner private military company. 

The documents, obtained by the Russian investigative Dossier Center, showed that Surovikin had a personal registration number with Wagner. Surovikin is listed along with at least 30 other senior Russian military and intelligence officials, who the Dossier Center said are also VIP Wagner members. 

https://edition.cnn.com/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-06-29-23/h_f3cb66107686a173d74307a8cb8775b8

It is quite possible that Putin is going to go all Stalin on them. If I’m not mistaken, Stalin wiped out almost all of the senior officers of the Russians army in the 1930’s because he was paranoid, afraid they’d stage a coup against him. That cost Russia dearly in WWII, because the army lacked good officers (i.e. leadership) when Germany attacked. 

Edited June 30, 2023 by rudi49jr

[rudi49jr]

And another mysterious ‘defenestration’ in Russia:

 

“Glamorous vice president of Russian bank Kristina Baikova, 28, ‘plunges to her death from 11th floor apartment window’ in Moscow in latest mysterious fatality involving country’s top execs.”

 

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12247271/Vice-president-Russian-bank-falls-death-Moscow-apartment-latest-mysterious-fatality.html

 

Another one of Putin’s girlfriends? I mean, how can a 28-year-old (man or woman) be the vice president of the Russian national bank? Looks more like a model to me. But she must have done something to seriously p!ss Putin off. 

[Mavideol]

the guy supposedly visited Dagestan and interacted with the locals, (kissing a girls head) never imagined Putin interacting with anybody besides with himself... or maybe it was not Vladimir Putin  555

New pictures fuel conspiracy theories that Vladimir Putin has a body double

https://au.yahoo.com/news/conspiracy-theories-putin-body-double-115048513.html

[ballpoint]

8 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

It is quite possible that Putin is going to go all Stalin on them. If I’m not mistaken, Stalin wiped out almost all of the senior officers of the Russians army in the 1930’s because he was paranoid, afraid they’d stage a coup against him. That cost Russia dearly in WWII, because the army lacked good officers (i.e. leadership) when Germany attacked. 

Judging by the way Ukraine's going for them, Putin would be well advised to keep the bumbling fools he's already got.  They couldn't organise a coup in a pigeon show.