Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Fat is a type of crazy]

36 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Meanwhile, back in the real world.

 

"We've given Ukraine nearly €1 billion. That might seem like a lot but €1 billion is what we're paying [Vladimir] Putin every day for the energy he provides us with. Since the start of the war, we've given him €35 billion, compared to the €1 billion we've given Ukraine to arm itself."

https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/04/06/eu-has-spent-35bn-on-russian-energy-and-just-1bn-on-aid-borrell

Sanctions are hurting the Russian economy much more than the changes in $ value of oil and gas sales. 

[ozimoron]

Ukraine on Monday said tens of thousands of people have likely been killed in Russia's assault on the southeastern city of Mariupol while the country's rights ombudswoman accused Russian forces in the region of torture and executions.

Reuters has confirmed widespread destruction in Mariupol but could not verify the alleged crimes or the estimate of those killed in the strategic city, which lies between Russian-annexed Crimea and eastern areas of Ukraine held by Russian-backed separatists.

 

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-tens-thousands-killed-mariupol-accuses-russia-slowing-evacuations-2022-04-11/

 

 

[ozimoron]

Bill Browder on Russia's war on Ukraine: 'It’s not going to end'

 

Bill Browder, a U.S. investor and prominent anti-Putin critic, says the Russian president’s endgame in Ukraine is to ensure he stays in power at home.

 

“Vladimir Putin is not going to back down and Ukrainians are not going to give up their country. This war will, unfortunately, be a long-lasting war in which many more atrocities will be committed, many more heartbreaks will happen and Russia will become even more isolated than they already are in the international community.”

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/04/11/bill-browder-russia-war-on-ukraine-00024490

[ozimoron]

Video shows Ukrainian soldier taking apart a Russian drone and discovering its components include a plastic bottle top for a fuel cap

 

In the video, the soldier is first seen pointing out that the drone's camera is a generic handheld Canon DSLR that has its main navigation button glued down to make sure it doesn't accidentally switch modes.

 

https://www.businessinsider.com/video-ukraine-soldier-disassembles-russian-drone-reveals-unsopisticated-handiwork-2022-4

[Berkshire]

10 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Bill Browder on Russia's war on Ukraine: 'It’s not going to end'

 

Bill Browder, a U.S. investor and prominent anti-Putin critic, says the Russian president’s endgame in Ukraine is to ensure he stays in power at home.

That's really all Vlad cares about, staying in power.  World leaders need to understand what they're dealing with.  His brain doesn't work like other leaders.

 

"Dear Leader, we're killing civilians by the thousands!"

Putin: "So what?"

"We're losing Russian soldiers by the thousands!"

Putin:  "We have many more."

"The Russian economy is being decimated!"

Putin:  "We'll recover eventually."

"You're losing your grip on power!"

Putin:  "No!  That's a big problem! Can't allow that!  More propaganda!"

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2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If it’s not Russia or Ukraine, it’s by definition off topic. 

 

 

I don't think being off topic is of much concern to Mac MickManus. He recently referenced a certain US ex-President in this very thread.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1251459-assault-on-kiev-russian-helicopters-swoop-above-ukraines-capital/page/105/#comment-17299692

 

[Bkk Brian]

Very graphic but detailed investigative piece here by the New York Times published on the 11th April. I've put a link to it from the wayback machine with no paywall.

 

We visited Bucha, documented dozens of killings of civilians, interviewed scores of witnesses and followed local investigators to uncover the scale of Russian atrocities.

 

Then, in a cellar under the garden shed, his nephew discovered the body of a woman. Slumped sitting down, bare legs akimbo, she wore a fur coat and nothing else. She had been shot in the head, and he found two bullet casings on the ground. When the police pulled her out and conducted a search, they found torn condom wrappers and one used condom upstairs in the house.

 

The abuse of the woman was one case of many, said Ukraine’s official ombudswoman for human rights, Lyudmyla Denisova. She said she had recorded horrific cases of sexual violence by Russian troops in Bucha and other places, including one in which a group of women and girls were kept in a basement of a house for 25 days. Nine of them are now pregnant, she said.

 

https://web.archive.org/web/20220411234729/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/11/world/europe/bucha-terror.html

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/04/11/world/europe/bucha-terror.html

[Bkk Brian]

I had the sickening experience of viewing this video of him doing this on twitter before it got deleted, thank god he's been arrested.

 

Russian soldier arrested ‘for raping baby’ in Ukraine

 

A Russian soldier allegedly filmed himself raping a one-year-old baby in Ukraine and shared the horrific video on social media.

Alexei Bychkov is accused of being the man behind the assault, with reports in the Russian media saying he was detained by local police.

The arrest comes after Lyudmila Denisova, commissioner for human rights in the Ukrainian Parliament, alleged on Saturday that Russian troops have raped children during the war.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2022/04/10/russian-soldier-arrested-for-raping-baby-in-ukraine-16439692/

 

Russian Soldier Arrested After Filming Himself Raping Baby In Ukraine

 

The arrest comes after Lyudmila Denisova, commissioner for human rights in the Ukrainian Parliament, alleged on Saturday that Russian troops have raped children during the war.

 

In another shocking incident, an 11-year-old boy in the same town was also raped in front of his mum, who was tied to a chair and forced to watch.

 

https://saharareporters.com/2022/04/11/russian-soldier-arrested-after-filming-himself-raping-baby-ukraine

 

Russians burned swastikas into victims’ bodies, raped girls as young as 10: reports

 

Russian soldiers have raped girls as young as 10 and pulled out Ukrainians’ tongues — while also burning swastikas into their victims’ bodies, Ukrainian officials said Tuesday.

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky told the United Nations Security Council that the Russians had committed “the most terrible war crimes” since World War Two and terrorized civilians “just for their pleasure.”

 

https://nypost.com/2022/04/05/russians-burned-swastikas-into-victims-bodies-report/

[Kwasaki]

8 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Without being pedantic about it, that does seem to be something that certain people's think should happen elsewhere eg the Republican Irish of Northern Ireland think it should be part of greater Ireland, presumably for historical reasons. I'm sure I could find other examples if I wanted to.

Greater India. 

[Rimmer]

An off topic post discussing Thailand LM laws has been removed

[Kwasaki]

BBC world reporting Ukrainian soldiers surrender no ammunition left not good hope there treated well. 

[Chris.B]

42 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

BBC world reporting Ukrainian soldiers surrender no ammunition left not good hope there treated well. 

Fake news, don't believe what you read from the leftie BBC.

 

[Chris.B]

Russia 'moves heavy military equipment including missile systems towards Finnish border after warning Finland not to join NATO'

 

 

Daily Mail

 

 

[vinny41]

British soldier fighting alongside Ukraine marines in Mariupol says his unit has 'no choice but to surrender' after 'running out of food and ammunition'..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10710623/Briton-fighting-alongside-Ukraine-marines-Mariupol-says-unit-no-choice-surrender.html

[Kwasaki]

44 minutes ago, Chris.B said:

Fake news, don't believe what you read from the leftie BBC.

 

If you say so he phoned his mother in UK, his a brave guy in a unit in Mariupol joined Ukraine army in 2018, says much for weapon supplies from west.

[Chris.B]

5 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

If you say so he phoned his mother in UK, his a brave guy in a unit in Mariupol joined Ukraine army in 2018, says much for weapon supplies from west.

No it doesn't say anything at all. Mariupol is surrounded by the Orcs and the Ukrainian fighters can't get out.

 

[Bkk Brian]

I saw this on twitter earlier. A brave and courageous soldier, just like the rest of them fighting against all odds in Mariupol. The were encircled by Russian forces and had been for weeks, yet they fought till their last bullet and ammo. Impossible to get them any help or supplies with Mariupol being besieged by Russia. If they run out of food then what's it like for the 100k civilians still left. Despicable.

 

This is the original tweet where the Daily Mail got its story

 

British #Ukraine Marine Aiden Aslin (AKA Cossack Gundî / Johnny) has had to surrender with his unit to Russian forces in Mariupol. They fought like hell for 48 days and have now run out of food and ammunition due to #Russia’s siege and destruction of the city.

 

Aiden will become a Prisoner of War of the Russians. His family agrees that this information should be shared far and wide, so please share. He is a friend and fellow East Midlands lad. He previously fought against ISIS in Syria with the YPG.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Ukraine conflict: 'Russian soldiers raped me and killed my husband'

 

The Russians have withdrawn from areas around Kyiv, but they've left deeply wounded lives that might never recover from the trauma. The BBC has heard first-hand testimony and found evidence of Ukrainian women being raped by invading soldiers.

 

Warning: This report contains graphic descriptions of sexual violence

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-61071243?

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

BBC world reporting Ukrainian soldiers surrender no ammunition left not good hope there treated well. 

Why no link to that BBC report?

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, Kwasaki said:

If you say so he phoned his mother in UK, his a brave guy in a unit in Mariupol joined Ukraine army in 2018, says much for weapon supplies from west.

Still no link.

 

Are you aware that Mariupol is surrounded and difficult to supply?

[thaibeachlovers]

47 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Why no link to that BBC report?

Bkk Brian believes it given he said the same thing a few posts back.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, vinny41 said:

British soldier fighting alongside Ukraine marines in Mariupol says his unit has 'no choice but to surrender' after 'running out of food and ammunition'..

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10710623/Briton-fighting-alongside-Ukraine-marines-Mariupol-says-unit-no-choice-surrender.html

I suspect he will not enjoy his time with the Russians, given I remember they already said it would go badly for any foreigners fighting for the Ukrainians.

[heybruce]

31 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

but, but, but there have been so many posts rejoicing that the Russians are doing so badly, and almost defeated already, so how can they be succeeding there? Shouldn't they all be retreating?

Find a credible news source.  Note Russia's massive losses in its failed attempt to seize Kyiv and install a puppet government.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

There is no such thing. ALL so called credible media were outed as propagandists and agents of disinformation after falsely and with no evidence claiming the Biden family corruption was "Russian disinformation" and censoring truthful voices with the (successful) aim to cheat in an election by misinforming voters. There is no coming back from that. A strange hill to eternally sacrifice their credibility but that is what happened.

There are no perfect news sources.  Obviously you want reputable news sources to prove Biden family corruption, just as others want them to prove Kuchner/Trump family corruption.  Credible news sources report veriable facts and qualify the reports that have not been properly confirmed.

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Bkk Brian believes it given he said the same thing a few posts back.

 

I'd appreciate it if you cease to misconstrue my posts.

 

I gave the original twitter link from a Daily Mail article on an English fighter who was going to surrender. Nothing to do with the BBC link we are still waiting on claiming this. 

 

"BBC world reporting Ukrainian soldiers surrender no ammunition left not good hope there treated well."

 

The only article I can find from yesterday on the BBC is:

 

Ukrainian forces are holding out against Russia in the southern port city of Mariupol, officials say, despite some reports suggesting the battle was nearing its end.

Edited April 13, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[Bkk Brian]

Great news

 

“The Biden administration is poised to dramatically expand the scope of weapons it’s providing Ukraine, with the Pentagon looking to send helicopters that can be equipped to attack Russian vehicles, armored Humvees and a range of other arms.”

 

Paywall but the above quote from the article is from their tweet.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/12/pentagon-ukraine-weapons/

[heybruce]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Great news

 

“The Biden administration is poised to dramatically expand the scope of weapons it’s providing Ukraine, with the Pentagon looking to send helicopters that can be equipped to attack Russian vehicles, armored Humvees and a range of other arms.”

 

Paywall but the above quote from the article is from their tweet.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/04/12/pentagon-ukraine-weapons/

From the link:

 

"Preliminary plans circulating among government officials and lawmakers in Washington also included Mi-17 helicopters, howitzer cannons, coastal defense drones and protective suits to safeguard personnel in the event of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack, the officials said, though they cautioned that it was not immediately clear if all of those items would end up in the final aid package."

 

I would like to see Ukraine provided with weapons that threaten Russian ships, but those weapons may require significant training.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, heybruce said:

From the link:

 

"Preliminary plans circulating among government officials and lawmakers in Washington also included Mi-17 helicopters, howitzer cannons, coastal defense drones and protective suits to safeguard personnel in the event of a chemical, biological or nuclear attack, the officials said, though they cautioned that it was not immediately clear if all of those items would end up in the final aid package."

 

I would like to see Ukraine provided with weapons that threaten Russian ships, but those weapons may require significant training.

I wondered if you had it wrong about the Mi-17s given they are a Russian helicopter, but Wikipedia tells me that the US has bought a load of them, so essentially they paid the Russians for helicopters to give to Ukraine! Certainly cheaper than giving Blackhawks.

[heybruce]

16 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I wondered if you had it wrong about the Mi-17s given they are a Russian helicopter, but Wikipedia tells me that the US has bought a load of them, so essentially they paid the Russians for helicopters to give to Ukraine! Certainly cheaper than giving Blackhawks.

I don't know if it is these helicopters:  https://www.militaryaerospace.com/communications/article/16715565/us-army-to-buy-30-russian-mi17-helicopters-for-use-in-high-hot-areas-of-afghanistan

 

But if Putin wants to sell weapons to the US and NATO that will be used in Ukraine against his military, that's ok by me.  I'll leave it up to Putin to explain this to the Russian people and military.  I'm sure the families getting their sons home in boxes will understand.

Edited April 13, 2022 by heybruce

[RJRS1301]

Vladimir Putin’s top ally flagged to replace Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky has been recaptured after escaping house arrest.

https://www.news.com.au/world/europe/ukrainians-nab-putin-ally-who-escaped-house-arrest-during-invasion/news-story/e5798dcc60a78e586d13dcec751ffc6e