Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, coolcarer said:

Oooops, oh well, next please HIMARS are hungry

 

Russia lost its most advanced air defense system in Ukraine
Russia’s most advanced surface-to-air missile system has been knocked out during recent fighting in Ukraine.
The fact that this advanced air defense system was participating in combat in Ukraine is somewhat surprising. Apparently, the S-400 system defended Russian troops in the Kherson region, in southern Ukraine.
It is designed to destroy strategic and tactical aircraft, cruise and ballistic missiles and hypersonic weapons and can also be used against ground installations.
https://defence-blog.com/russia-lost-its-most-advanced-air-defense-system-in-ukraine/

This war is proving drones are the future of aerial war, Comparatively inexpensive, hard to shoot down due to their size.

The Russians are using them indiscriminately against civilians, their utility against military targets has been proven by the Ukrainians.

[metisdead]

Some off topic deflection posts and the replies have been removed.

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Russian occupiers are increasingly afraid for Kherson: Surovikin allows for "difficult decisions"

Sergey Surovikin, the new commander of the Russian army in Ukraine, does not rule out making "difficult decisions" regarding the future arrival of the Armed Forces of Ukraine in occupied Kherson.

Quote from Surovikin: "Further actions regarding Kherson will depend on the emerging military-tactical situation; it is not easy, difficult decisions cannot be ruled out."

"We will be guided by the need to preserve the lives of the civilian population and our military personnel as much as possible," Surovikin said.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/russian-occupiers-increasingly-afraid-kherson-182147356.html

 

Looks like Surovikin is looking for a humanitarian excuse to bug out of Kherson.

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

Latest news: The Russian-backed leader in the Kherson region has ordered mass evacuations of civilians from frontline settlements, while the commanding Russian general has said all Kherson residents will be evacuated.

 

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/europe-news/2022/10/19/russia-evacuate-kherson/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM Extra - 20221019

[Rimmer]

Baiting post removed

[LosLobo]

Close up of Iranian drone used by Russians, evidently a lot of the components are western sourced. Obviously, the West needs harsher sanctions against this despot regime.

 

Also, McCarthy warns "no blank check" to Ukraine if GOP wins the House.  Also, with the IPSOS/Reuters latest poll reporting that 73% of Americans say that the US should continue to support Ukraine, I suggest he is pushing a losing policy.

 

 

[LosLobo]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Latest news: The Russian-backed leader in the Kherson region has ordered mass evacuations of civilians from frontline settlements, while the commanding Russian general has said all Kherson residents will be evacuated.

 

https://thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/europe-news/2022/10/19/russia-evacuate-kherson/?utm_source=Adestra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=PM Extra - 20221019

Evidently, there is a current news blackout from Ukraine, obviously they are planning something big over the next few days. Possibly it's about Kherson.

 

 

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1 hour ago, LosLobo said:

Close up of Iranian drone used by Russians, evidently a lot of the components are western sourced. Obviously, the West needs harsher sanctions against this despot regime.

 

Also, McCarthy warns "no blank check" to Ukraine if GOP wins the House. Also, with the IPSOS/Reuters latest poll reporting that 73% of Americans say that the US should continue to support Ukraine, I suggest he is pushing a losing policy.

 

 

Unfortunately, virtually all of the polling I've seen suggests that the Republicans will take the house.

[LosLobo]

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Unfortunately, virtually all of the polling I've seen suggests that the Republicans will take the house.

You are correct!
 

[Bkk Brian]

The evacuation of Kherson has officially started.

 

Ukraine war: Russia begins evacuation from Kherson in south

Tens of thousands of civilians and Russian-appointed officials are being moved out of Ukraine's southern Kherson region ahead of a Ukrainian offensive, says the Russia-installed local leader. Vladimir Saldo said 50-60,000 civilians would leave four towns on the west bank of the Dnieper river in an "organised, gradual displacement".

All Russian-appointed departments in Kherson city would cross the river too, Russian TV footage showed a number of people gathering near the Dnieper.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63311744

 

In a separate development an interesting meeting in the US with the UK defense secretary?

 

Defence Secretary @BWallaceMP is in the US on a seemingly hastily-arranged trip. Fellow minister @JSHeappey hinted at what it’s about: “To have the sort of conversations that… beyond belief really the fact we are at a time when these sorts of conversations are necessary”

 

[Eric Loh]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The evacuation of Kherson has officially started.

 

Ukraine war: Russia begins evacuation from Kherson in south

Tens of thousands of civilians and Russian-appointed officials are being moved out of Ukraine's southern Kherson region ahead of a Ukrainian offensive, says the Russia-installed local leader. Vladimir Saldo said 50-60,000 civilians would leave four towns on the west bank of the Dnieper river in an "organised, gradual displacement".

All Russian-appointed departments in Kherson city would cross the river too, Russian TV footage showed a number of people gathering near the Dnieper.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-63311744

 

In a separate development an interesting meeting in the US with the UK defense secretary?

 

Defence Secretary @BWallaceMP is in the US on a seemingly hastily-arranged trip. Fellow minister @JSHeappey hinted at what it’s about: “To have the sort of conversations that… beyond belief really the fact we are at a time when these sorts of conversations are necessary”

 

15,000 - 20,000 Rusia troops are stationed to the northwest of the river. A swift and successful Ukrainian offensive would enable them to encircle & isolate the Russians. This will render significant portion of the Russian military in the region ünviable". Putin will react with force that worries Ukraine for the sudden meeting with US. If Kherson falls together with large number of Russian POW, it will be humilitating for Putin and will anger the Russian public. Putin will react with unbridle military might. Ukraine has to be ready.  

[Lacessit]

49 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

15,000 - 20,000 Rusia troops are stationed to the northwest of the river. A swift and successful Ukrainian offensive would enable them to encircle & isolate the Russians. This will render significant portion of the Russian military in the region ünviable". Putin will react with force that worries Ukraine for the sudden meeting with US. If Kherson falls together with large number of Russian POW, it will be humilitating for Putin and will anger the Russian public. Putin will react with unbridle military might. Ukraine has to be ready.  

Putin can react against civilians, certainly. His options are diminishing on the battlefield, sending untrained and unwilling conscripts who are not even sure they will get paid, to war with poor equipment and terrible supply logistics, will just lead to more reverses.

[BarraMarra]

Rats leaving HMS Kremlin before they get there <deleted> kicked by a comedian.

[Bkk Brian]

More threats by Russia to deny the truth, this time directed towards the UN

 

Russia to review working with U.N. chief if he inspects drones in Ukraine

UNITED NATIONS, Oct 19 (Reuters) - Russia said on Wednesday that it will reassess cooperation with U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres if he sends experts to Ukraine to inspect drones that Western powers say were made in Iran and used by Moscow in violation of a U.N. resolution.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-review-working-with-un-chief-if-he-inspects-drones-ukraine-2022-10-19/

[Mavideol]

39 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

More threats by Russia to deny the truth, this time directed towards the UN

 

Russia to review working with U.N. chief if he inspects drones in Ukraine

UNITED NATIONS, Oct 19 (Reuters) - Russia said on Wednesday that it will reassess cooperation with U.N. Secretary-General Antonio Guterres if he sends experts to Ukraine to inspect drones that Western powers say were made in Iran and used by Moscow in violation of a U.N. resolution.

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-review-working-with-un-chief-if-he-inspects-drones-ukraine-2022-10-19/

will reassess means he will not allow anybody near the site.... a "guided" visit may be on the works, very similar to what happen in China when UN human rights visited Xinjiang / Uyghur

[ballpoint]

1 minute ago, Mavideol said:

will reassess means he will not allow anybody near the site.... a "guided" visit may be on the works, very similar to what happen in China when UN human rights visited Xinjiang / Uyghur

But Putin doesn't control the places where the drones "landed", however hard he's tried.  He's making a veiled threat to the UN Secretary-General against visiting another nation's sovereign territory.

[BarraMarra]

Why don't the UN just kick  Russia out of the UN. They have lied to the chamber on numerous occasions they can't be trusted and now there threatening the General of the United Nations. A precision strike on the factory in Iran and its stockpile will stop the supply of these Iranian drones if there aiding Russia and violating UN Resolution.

[BarraMarra]

Russia is forcing civilians from Kherson and shipping them off to Russia which can be seen as yet another war crime, forcing civilians from another country to Russia as this city is not recognized as Russian due to its sham vote.

[bannork]

39 minutes ago, BarraMarra said:

Russia is forcing civilians from Kherson and shipping them off to Russia which can be seen as yet another war crime, forcing civilians from another country to Russia as this city is not recognized as Russian due to its sham vote.

Could one reason they're deporting the civilians is to clear the area in preparation for the use of chemical or tactical nuclear weapons on the advancing Ukrainian troops?

[Lacessit]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

Could one reason they're deporting the civilians is to clear the area in preparation for the use of chemical or tactical nuclear weapons on the advancing Ukrainian troops?

Possibly, it's more likely they are making sure no collaborators or saboteurs are operating in their rear.

If I was a Russian in Ukraine, I'd feel like I had a bullseye painted on me - front and back.

I'm just wondering how long it will be before Russian troops start turning their guns on their leaders en masse, there have been a few straws in the wind.

[Mavideol]

4 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Why don't the UN just kick  Russia out of the UN. They have lied to the chamber on numerous occasions they can't be trusted and now there threatening the General of the United Nations. A precision strike on the factory in Iran and its stockpile will stop the supply of these Iranian drones if there aiding Russia and violating UN Resolution.

RUSSIA is NOT a member of the UN, they never applied/ratify the UN charter as it still shows USSR as a member, thus kicking them out  should be an easy task, it's a matter for the US to decide but the new world order should be corrected to show fascism/authoritarian/dictatorship/military junta governments

[rudi49jr]

‘As the overal operational commander, general Sergei Surovikin’s announcement highlighting negative news about the ‘special military operation’ is highly unusual. It likely indicates that the Russian authorities are seriously considering a major withdrawal of their forces in the area west of the Dnipro river’. 
 

 

 

[BarraMarra]

Putin knows what will happen if he unleashes Chemical or a nuclear device it will be the end for Russians as the west can unleash any means to stop it like they did when Saddam unleashed a Chemical weapon on his people. it's likely he will try and flatten Kherson making it Unhabital same as Mariupol his thinking is if we can't have the city no one will have it.

[bannork]

2 hours ago, BarraMarra said:

Putin knows what will happen if he unleashes Chemical or a nuclear device it will be the end for Russians as the west can unleash any means to stop it like they did when Saddam unleashed a Chemical weapon on his people. it's likely he will try and flatten Kherson making it Unhabital same as Mariupol his thinking is if we can't have the city no one will have it.

Putin's losing on the battlefield so the hardliners advocate making Ukraine uninhabitable. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, bannork said:

Putin's losing on the battlefield so the hardliners advocate making Ukraine uninhabitable. 

 

Monstrous ghouls, the lot of them. Publicly calling for more mass war crimes committed against the people of Ukraine. 

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

Could one reason they're deporting the civilians is to clear the area in preparation for the use of chemical or tactical nuclear weapons on the advancing Ukrainian troops?

Its an interesting thought, particularly since just 4 days ago China told its citizens to get out of Ukraine, personally don't think it will happen but thinking is not good enough, no doubt those higher up officials in NATO and the rest of the alliance are making plans for this just in case. Perhaps one of the reasons that the UK defence secretary visited the US yesterday in a rushed visit?

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I've noticed that the Russians are claiming that the need to evacuate citizens in Kherson because Ukraine plans to blow up the hydroelectric dam. I think Russia is planning to blow up the dam and blame Ukraine. I've had this suspicion since yesterday when I read the Russian comments. For what it's worth, these people agree with me. Although, obviously, their opinion is the  valuable one.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-october-19

[tgw]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

I've noticed that the Russians are claiming that the need to evacuate citizens in Kherson because Ukraine plans to blow up the hydroelectric dam. I think Russia is planning to blow up the dam and blame Ukraine. 

very probable and the SBU already announced it yesterday.

 

the new Ruzzian theater commander is a real piece of work:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sergey_Surovikin

 

I don't know if they did it on purpose or what, now I'm torn between calling him Azog Surovikin or Dr. Evil Surovikin

 

 

[BarraMarra]

Well appears a Russian fighter let off a missile in the vicinity of an RAF plane on an exercise over the Black Sea Russians responded the usual " it was a malfunction " what would have happened if it was shot down? a Kremlin spokesman would immediately lie and say it was a nato aircraft accidentally shooting down an RAF Plane.

 

 

[rudi49jr]

2 hours ago, tgw said:

Azog Surovikin or Dr. Evil Surovikin

My vote would be Adolf Surovikin.