Assault on Kiev: Russian helicopters swoop above Ukraine's capital

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Well, I could charge you for MSNBC/CNN talking points only. This does not help anything—I am British but have extensively travelled to Russia and Ukraine. I have family in Kiev, but I was born in London.

 I could charge you for MSNBC/CNN talking points only

 

I have been posting on this topic for 2 years, I know that claim of yours is untrue

[Mavideol]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

Russia must have lost 500 000 troops by now, and Ukraine 35 000 refered to your information?

did I claim that, nope, it's your own making.... just follow the link, you may not like it but the numbers are there,

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

did I claim that, nope, it's your own making.... just follow the link, you may not like it but the numbers are there,

What do you mean? It is not about like or not, war is a tragedy for every part, and not only for the countries involved, also neighbouring countries suffering, as well europeens and Europe. 

 

We are constantly fed propaganda, and everyone should try to understand what is really happening, and not only read headlines or news designed and placed for manipulate opinions. 

 

For every war, most fall in to it, so really it doesnt going to change now either.

 

Every tool necessary will be used to feed the war mongering on both sides as long as possible. 

 

This tread is a perfect example of what I mean if you go back and read from the very beginning.

Edited May 16 by Hummin

[Rimmer]

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[tgw]

3 hours ago, Hummin said:

Russia must have lost 500 000 troops by now, and Ukraine 35 000 refered to your information?

 

For obvious reasons, these figures are highly confidential.

Experts estimate the ratio of Ukrainian to Ruzzian losses is between 1 to 3 and 1 to 6 overall, counting all casualties.

There probably is a much wider gap if counting only the dead.

 

This page lists estimates of various sources :

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

 

I think the US estimates are probably spot-on, but don't forget to add numbers of Wagner, LPR and DPR to it.

 

 

[Gweiloman]

15 hours ago, BobBKK said:

 That's very true, and look at Afghanistan, Vietnam, Syria, Iraq, Cuba and now Ukraine, Gaza, etc. The USA cannot help meddling worldwide - followed by their puppies in Europe.

The world is in a dire place, and WW3 is not far away if Idiots like Lindsay Graham, Macron and Blinken have their evil way. 

+1. They are now even expressing concern that the Chinese Navy is training some Cambodian soldiers. 

 

15 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

More Russian talking points

Pathetic response. Those are not Russian talking points, they are facts. Is there any part of the world that the US is not meddling in? Rhetorical question. Answer: No.

[Gweiloman]

On 5/15/2024 at 12:34 PM, Bkk Brian said:

The man 

 

"You need to know, the United States is with you, so much of the world is with you and they're fighting, not just for a free Ukraine, but for the free world. And the free world is with you, too."

 

 

Clueless, as always. Just looking at headlines without realising the deeper meaning.

 

This song encapsulate’s Neil Young’s angry indictment of society during the Bush Sr. Era, and to a lesser extent, the recently-ended Cold War.

The first verse is about the narrator’s every day experiences in society, ending with how they’ve affected him.

The second is him recounting one particularly disturbing example of what society has caused people to do.

The third is a general criticism of the government and society as a whole.

 

An equally apt description today, as when it was written.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

Clueless, as always. Just looking at headlines without realising the deeper meaning.

 

This song encapsulate’s Neil Young’s angry indictment of society during the Bush Sr. Era, and to a lesser extent, the recently-ended Cold War.

The first verse is about the narrator’s every day experiences in society, ending with how they’ve affected him.

The second is him recounting one particularly disturbing example of what society has caused people to do.

The third is a general criticism of the government and society as a whole.

 

An equally apt description today, as when it was written.

He's tone deaf. Couldn't care less about the song. The introduction was the point. Straight over your head.

[tgw]

I guess there is a lot of disappointment among some posters here, since the orcs seem to have been stopped near Kharkiv.

[BobBKK]

13 minutes ago, tgw said:

I guess there is a lot of disappointment among some posters here, since the orcs seem to have been stopped near Kharkiv.

 Catch up, please... they only stopped to have some lunch and are now taking out the young of Ukraine in the meat grinder - still, they are reducing the conscription age in Ukraine, so there will be fresh dead soon enough for you. You must love war - why not go volunteer? 

[tgw]

14 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Catch up, please... they only stopped to have some lunch and are now taking out the young of Ukraine in the meat grinder - still, they are reducing the conscription age in Ukraine, so there will be fresh dead soon enough for you. You must love war - why not go volunteer? 

 

and why don't you go fight alongside the war criminals you admire so much ?

Edited May 17 by tgw

[Danderman123]

On 5/14/2024 at 3:44 PM, BobBKK said:

 
I don't believe that is true. That is just the West's propaganda, the same as Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and all the rest. The 2014 agreement was not implemented as agreed - and guaranteed by Germany amongst others.

Russia media claims Ukraine is Russian property. Do you disagree?

[rabas]

On 5/14/2024 at 5:44 PM, BobBKK said:

I don't believe that is true. That is just the West's propaganda, the same as Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam and all the rest. The 2014 agreement was not implemented as agreed - and guaranteed by Germany amongst others.

 

You mean the agreement to stop fighting that failed when  Russia sent another large batch of its regular military at the start of January 2015^[2]. Then, following the subsequent Russian victory at Donetsk International Airport in defiance of the  agreement ,Russia repeated its pattern of August 2014, invading with fresh forces and attacked Ukrainian forces at Debaltseve,  That agreement?

 

That led to Minsk 2 that was a bigger mess as Russia continued to cheat. Even though Russia signed Minsk 2 (the only group with 2 signatories) they later claimed in Match 2016 it had nothing to do with them.

 

[reference + 125 referenced addenda]

 

Negotiations with Putin:   "Trust me bro, I ain't gonna cheat you again ..." , he said for the third time.

 

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[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Gweiloman said:

No need. Russia is already winning.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68778338
 

Zelensky, ever ungrateful, blames the west.

https://abcnews.go.com/International/video/zelenskyy-blames-world-whats-happening-kharkiv-110304007

 

Everytime he visits a city to provide “moral” support to the troops, the city falls not long after - the Zelensky curse. Goodbye Kharkiv… Poor Ukraine…

 

No need. Russia is already winning.

 

The crystal ball is out from another apologist lol

[Rimmer]

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[Mavideol]

Damage To Russia's Belbek Air Base In Crimea Seen After Ukrainian Strikes

https://www.yahoo.com/news/damage-russias-belbek-air-crimea-184943891.html

[Mavideol]

Russia’s navy has become a near laughing stock

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-navy-become-near-laughing-155444634.html

[Mavideol]

Massive Ukrainian drone attack on Crimea causes power outages in Sevastopol

Massive Ukrainian drone attack on Crimea causes power outages in Sevastopol (msn.com)

[BobBKK]

21 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Russia media claims Ukraine is Russian property. Do you disagree?

 

We should not attempt to turn the clock back to the Soviet era, and although there is very little difference between Ukrainians and Russians, I think a NEUTRAL Ukraine should be supported. Zelensky was elected on a peace platform, then threw it away with the USA.

[BobBKK]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

No need. Russia is already winning.

 

The crystal ball is out from another apologist lol

 No Ukrainians in Russia fighting the last time i looked - ergo, Russia is winning - it is inevitable 

[Wobblybob]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

We should not attempt to turn the clock back to the Soviet era, and although there is very little difference between Ukrainians and Russians, I think a NEUTRAL Ukraine should be supported. Zelensky was elected on a peace platform, then threw it away with the USA.

Zelensky wants peace, he did not ask the Russians to invade his country and kill, rape and torture his citizens!

[Rimmer]

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[transam]

16 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 No Ukrainians in Russia fighting the last time i looked - ergo, Russia is winning - it is inevitable 

It was inevitable 2 years back...........

The Ruskies even packed their dress uniforms........😂

[BobBKK]

1 minute ago, transam said:

It was inevitable 2 years back...........

The Ruskies even packed their dress uniforms........😂

 Well, we will see, right?  Many 'experts' were claiming Russia ran out of ammo years back and would fight with "shovels". Pretty useful shovels those  lol

No need for a general mobilisation in Russia so far - I think they have committed 360,000 troops out of 1,300,000 so far.  (3,570,000 total including reserves).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1334413/military-personnel-in-russia-by-type/#:~:text=How many soldiers does Russia,and 250%2C000 were paramilitary forces.
 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 No Ukrainians in Russia fighting the last time i looked - ergo, Russia is winning - it is inevitable 

Since when did Ukraine want to invade Russia with boots on the ground? What a strange strawman

[transam]

3 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 Well, we will see, right?  Many 'experts' were claiming Russia ran out of ammo years back and would fight with "shovels". Pretty useful shovels those  lol

No need for a general mobilisation in Russia so far - I think they have committed 360,000 troops out of 1,300,000 so far.  (3,570,000 total including reserves).

https://www.statista.com/statistics/1334413/military-personnel-in-russia-by-type/#:~:text=How many soldiers does Russia,and 250%2C000 were paramilitary forces.
 

You forgot pleading for munitions from Iran & N.Korea........😂

[beautifulthailand99]

Max Hastings in The Times telling it like it is. Jingoists take note.

 

Almost nobody is telling it like it is. Jingo newspapers bear as much blame for parroting government deceits about Ukraine’s prospects as our ministers themselves, who feel obliged to keep promising victory. Optimists should also abandon the oft-repeated assertion that the Russians are mere bunglers. They are getting steadily better, especially in the field of electronic warfare, and they have far more munitions. Drones are key. Kyiv estimates that Russia is producing or procuring 100,000 unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) a month, while Ukraine can achieve only half that number. Iranian-made Shahed drones cost far less than the western missiles deployed to shoot them down. Russia has doubled its tank production to an estimated 200 a year.

 

https://archive.ph/WOzZ3