NotReallyHere Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 15 hours ago, NanaSomchai said: The only reason why I quoted you is to prevent you from editing your... your... "work" so the others get to read it. What a true gentlemen! Not the least bit ashamed of what I wrote. I mean every word. Would never edit. It's interesting (but not surprising) that you ignore all the points people make about your irrational thinking/behavior and focus only on the negative conclusions they reach. The conclusions are valid, like it or not. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 2 hours ago, NanaSomchai said: I see them for what they truly are: Farang must pay, Not my problem I had 2 dogs die in my village - they were not strays... definitely my dogs - both were buried for me... nobody asked for money... 2 hours ago, NanaSomchai said: at the same time could not understand, fathom or comprehend why no one in the village would even care? likely because there is a new crop of strays every year... it happens... but this all seems a small part of a larger story... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanLaew Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said: I'm going to phrase this poorly and I know generalizations suck but... unless I'm proven different and to this day, to me, a very large majority of the Thais have no respect for another's life. There is only one thing; MONEY. In this culture, a life is simply a vehicle, a conveyance to the next cycle of of life, suffering and death. Money helps keep the vehicle moving. Some need more but a lot do with less. Not at all sure where the dog fits in but for me, after 15+ years in Isaan, the following resonates. 1 hour ago, OneMoreFarang said: Maybe, just maybe the whole village was convinced that Nan the dog was an incarnation of maybe a murderer in that village. Maybe the murderer hanged himself and was reborn as a dog. And obviously nobody liked that murderer/dog. Anyway, good luck to the OP on his next adventure. 10 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said: I have my eyes set on Saigon life at this very moment. Make sure you don't fall in love with a dog while you're there. You could end up going hungry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanaSomchai Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, Chris.B said: Clearly, Thailand is not for you! I think your ex-wife seems a bit unreasonable. I got some dog bowls for 20 baht each in the 20 Baht shop in Lotus. ???? 20 baht?! See, even paying 45 baht each shows how they have no problems double pricing a foreigner... oh well, at least these bowls served a good purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanaSomchai Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 minute ago, 1FinickyOne said: I had 2 dogs die in my village - they were not strays... definitely my dogs - both were buried for me... nobody asked for money... There we are. You have no idea what (at least this part of) your post means to me. Nobody should be asking money to bury a loved deceased animal (unless you are a professional and do this for a living). They were clearly trying to extort me in an obvious moment of distress. Thai style. Thanks for chiming in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EVENKEEL Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 15 minutes ago, NotReallyHere said: How funny! The Vietnamese will stick it to you worse than the Thais. Double pricing? You don't know the half of it... Just another accident waiting to happen. At least they eat dogs in Vietnam. One less concern for you... They eat dog in Sakon Nakhon as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 This thread is typical of others like it - Almost stereotyped bound textbook that cycles redundancy, perhaps with an odd twist here and there. Boorish convention has no limits. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
onthedarkside Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 A surprisingly large number of flame and trolling posts and comments have been removed here. You're free to discuss the topic. But not to insult and make disparaging comments about fellow forum members. Keep your comments CIVIL! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaosLover Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Had a bit of dog stew in Korea. Truly, the proverbial mutton dressed up as lamb. Westerners are neurotic about what they will eat. We apply an IQ test. If the Spot, the dog, comes when you call, he's safe. If Elsie, the cow, doesn't, it's get in truck, Elsie, McDonald's is waiting. But it's all meat in the end, just like we are. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanaSomchai Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 Thanks to those who posted sensible heartfelt comments, the intent behind this thread was to share my story of my experience in Thailand (at least bits of the final year) while disclosing the reason why ultimately I was left with no other options than selling and leaving. Again my motives are mine and solely mine, in the very end I sold what I could, recouped some of my losses whereas possible and applicable and to this day I have very little regrets of leaving the Kingdom for good. I wish I could recommend visiting or retiring to Thailand to anyone (not on these forums obviously, duh) but I actively advocate against it for different reasons obviously, mainly tied to politics, not related to my unfortunate dismissal. Again, this thread should serve as a mere glimpse of what my life experience in Thailand was at the very end, your mileage will most likely vary, the next time you see me posting, you'll be able to comprehend which angle or should I say which POV I'm from. As a few closing words, I'd like to state that I used to love Thailand, 10+ years ago, I fell in love with the place, the girls, the energy, the vibe, with a lot of things, it was puppy-love at first sight but as the time wore on, I caught on that Thailand is nothing but a fairy tale (again according to me). Thailand is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven. /thread 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mistral53 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Imagine for a second that there are people killed in multiple wars all over the world right now, innocent women and children trying to just survive........and there was a dog in Thailand in a remote village that broke your heart..........? right! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I can not and as yet find no reason to understand why the quite prolific number of ex expats or even shorter term visitors to Thailand insist on coming into forum site or other to vent personal failure. How many of them n/ever state prior personal failure in places of origin? I can feel empathy but not sympathy. I would guess there are few who even having achieved a satisfactory situation in life who could say they have never experienced some period of stress and instability in any and every facet of life. Coming back to revisit failure I feel is proof of the cause! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 15 hours ago, mistral53 said: Imagine for a second that there are people killed in multiple wars all over the world right now, innocent women and children trying to just survive........and there was a dog in Thailand in a remote village that broke your heart..........? right! That's not a hard one... The dog, he could reach out and touch. All the souls you mention in other places and countries, he has no ability to have personal contact with. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotReallyHere Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 16 minutes ago, zzaa09 said: Boorish convention has no limits. If it's conventional, it has limits. Think about it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post FritsSikkink Posted February 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2022 8 hours ago, NanaSomchai said: Did what I could... against my wife's will and much better than the entire village at least. That has to count for something. You could have taken him to a vet and give proper food everyday. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, LaosLover said: Had a bit of dog stew in Korea. Truly, the proverbial mutton dressed up as lamb. Westerners are neurotic about what they will eat. We apply an IQ test. If the Spot, the dog, comes when you call, he's safe. If Elsie, the cow, doesn't, it's get in truck, Elsie, McDonald's is waiting. But it's all meat in the end, just like we are. True. But my sampling of that sour form of protein left me a devotee of the more accepted. I have no objection to the consumption but I vehemently object to the disgustingly cruel method of killing that inexplicably (to me) involves prolonged beating to death ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 45 minutes ago, NotReallyHere said: How funny! The Vietnamese will stick it to you worse than the Thais. Double pricing? You don't know the half of it... Just another accident waiting to happen. At least they eat dogs in Vietnam. One less concern for you... The OP seems wholly unsuited to life in SE Asia.. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotReallyHere Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 hours ago, NanaSomchai said: Thailand is its own place and, in itself can make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven. What? "its own place"? "in itself" "make a heaven of hell or a hell of heaven"? What? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Gecko123 Posted February 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) The OP is bashing his ex-wife and everyone who lives in her village just because they don't conform to what he believes should be universal dog welfare standards. I'm surprised no one's chided the OP for just giving the dog water from a dripping tap and a little food every now and then. Wasn't the dog all mangy and flea-bitten? If the OP's on such a moral high horse, why didn't he take the poor creature to the vet, and buy it a doggy bed like the good Christian folk back home in merry ole Scotland would hav' done? His wife made good points about how caring for the dog might incur liabilities in the event the dog bit someone or caused an accident. Excuse the hell out of her for not wanting a flea-bitten mangy diseased mutt hanging around the house. It sounds like the dog was a stray, or that it used to have an owner but the owner died or moved out of town. It happens. Even if the OP had not been feeding the dog and had absolutely nothing to do with it, if it ended up dying on his front lawn and no owner could be found, it would be the OP's responsibility to dispose of the carcass. Expecting that his neighbors would do the unpleasant task of burying the dog free of charge out of some communal duty that the OP decided they owed is delusional. Totally unrealistic. Besides, dogs and cats rarely get buried in Thailand. They're dumped in a remote area and the smell starts to fade in the tropical heat after just a few days. Yeah, 1000 baht to bury a dog is price gouging, but not everyone has a Western-style shovel and pick-axe handy to make the job not so difficult. It's a little strange the wife couldn't negotiate a more reasonable price, or didn't tell you to just haul the carcass out of town a ways. Getting drunk and yelling the f-word and giving people the middle finger over something like this is unforgivable. Shows a complete lack of respect for your wife's village. You're seriously lucky you didn't get your behind kicked for doing that. If the OP thought the 1000 baht price was too high, and couldn't find a cheaper price, then the only alternative was to wait until you got home to bury the dog yourself, which is what you did. The OP taking it out on his wife and the neighbors, and bashing Thai people in general for their lack of compassion, community-mindedness, and labeling them as greedy and selfish over this is unfair and shows a lack of understanding about Thai culture. Edited February 25, 2022 by Gecko123 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: That's not a hard one... The dog, he could reach out and touch. All the souls you mention in other places and countries, he has no ability to have personal contact with. So access and locality define the interpretation of humanitarian concern? The sad eyed dog in your face prompts more reactive emotion than a bloodied war torn victim or starving children in some remote location? The imperative is contained in a bubble of personal existence because beyond that is incomprehensible and therefore lesser than the direct and more tangible sad eyed starving stray dog in front of you . Ok. Normal in concept of social normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaosLover Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) I wonder if people in a remote Thai village even know what if rhymes with Deaf and rhymes with Dew means. This defiant gesture may have just been baffling to the locals Can someone like IssanLife enlighten me? Is <deleted> as pervasive as a western import at the level of Coca Cola? Edited February 25, 2022 by LaosLover There are 2 letters here you apparently can't put together. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caldera Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 Long story short, that was a horrible choice of wife and you've corrected your mistake. Nothing really to do with Thailand. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alien365 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 I can understand the villagers wanting some money to bury the dog as it is manual labour, but asking for 3k is taking the proverbial. If I heard 300 or 500 I wouldn't have thought much about it. If I were in your area I'd have done it for nothing. Like you I feel its the right thing to do. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 42 minutes ago, NanaSomchai said: There we are. You have no idea what (at least this part of) your post means to me. Nobody should be asking money to bury a loved deceased animal (unless you are a professional and do this for a living). They were clearly trying to extort me in an obvious moment of distress. Thai style. Thanks for chiming in. I agree nobody should be asking for money for this and I know if it was us, my wife would have taken care of it and actually did... no issues... when our first village dog died, I had carried him up to my office so I could sit w/him all night. My wife was upset too and I don't know who helped her w/digging a grave - everyone had sympathy for me as they knew I was crying and then finally fell asleep. They later showed me where they buried him. I am sure that the thought of $$ never crossed their mind... But then, I had lived w/the family for many years at that point and had assimilated a good bit. Though I cannot imagine any point at which they would have done differently... They are really nice people.. And so for me, your use of the word "Thai style" has a bad connotation. For me, "Thai style" has been mostly a very good thing. What they did to you is terribly wrong, beyond the $$ just to let a dog rot away like that is disgraceful. I have been with my family for 20+ years now and they are consistently some of the finest people I have known and they were extremely poor farmers... I could relate to you far more good stories than I could about my highly successful but very dysfunctional Western family. And from what I read on this forum and what I have seen, sometimes the families here have good cause to hate the farang... and often the farang don't have a clue as to the offenses they commit. I was lucky as my wife was there to guide me and I had several good Thai friends to help me understand the cultural differences. Having things explained well and w/o a bias was unending help. It sounds like your wife should have been more helpful but I would ask, where was her anger coming from? What family member was in her ear? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post NanaSomchai Posted February 25, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, alien365 said: If I were in your area I'd have done it for nothing. Like you I feel its the right thing to do. I know I've stated that I was essentially done with this thread, but I felt this post deserved a "thank you" from me. So there it is: Thank you. I was merely trying to do the right thing. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChC1 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 8 minutes ago, alien365 said: I can understand the villagers wanting some money to bury the dog as it is manual labour, but asking for 3k is taking the proverbial. If I heard 300 or 500 I wouldn't have thought much about it. If I were in your area I'd have done it for nothing. Like you I feel its the right thing to do. The point is, if 3,000 baht is too much, did it occur to the OP that he really needs to bury the dog, so to renegotiate to somewhere both party can agree? No. He did not. Every farang in Thailand knows sometimes you have to haggle. Could the OP offer 1,000 baht instead to get things done? Not according to the OP. Did the OP ask his wife to communicate and to haggle? If not, why? Maybe if you ask this question you would realise how far stretched the story OP is telling. Or how immature the whole episode is if the OP is telling the true story. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WEBBYB808 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 3 hours ago, NanaSomchai said: Excuse me? He means a blade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Hammer2021 Posted February 25, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted February 25, 2022 1 hour ago, crouchpeter said: What surprises me, (or perhaps doesn't), is the vitriol coming from the haters and losers on this forum. This man is telling a story about his experiences in Nakhon Nowhere, and it's like he's pushed the button that activates the "inhumanity" gene. Yes its difficult to understand why people don't see him as an open minded, wise person who respects his neighbours and wife and don't respect him for being a good listener always willing to learn from situations. Why did we misread him? 1 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2 is 1 Posted February 25, 2022 Share Posted February 25, 2022 If in isaan village happen some kind accident what is dogs fold THAT DOG REALLY IS NOBODY'S DOG dosent matten if name is "nan bread" or moon party! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanaSomchai Posted February 25, 2022 Author Share Posted February 25, 2022 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said: I agree nobody should be asking for money for this and I know if it was us, my wife would have taken care of it and actually did... no issues... when our first village dog died, I had carried him up to my office so I could sit w/him all night. My wife was upset too and I don't know who helped her w/digging a grave - everyone had sympathy for me as they knew I was crying and then finally fell asleep. They later showed me where they buried him. I am sure that the thought of $$ never crossed their mind... It wasn't even really my dog to begin with and yet it hurt like hell, in fact it still hurts to this day, so in your case I can only imagine the pain you have felt at the time, allow me to empathise. And indeed asking money for this is straight up extorsion, it is plain wrong. I'm baffled at the volume of posters in this thread who lack the common sense to understand and comprehend something as basic as this. 10 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said: But then, I had lived w/the family for many years at that point and had assimilated a good bit. Though I cannot imagine any point at which they would have done differently... They are really nice people.. Yeah I had been there for a year tops, I don't speak Thai and they were not fluent in English either, I could only guess that didn't help one bit. 10 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said: And so for me, your use of the word "Thai style" has a bad connotation. For me, "Thai style" has been mostly a very good thing. What they did to you is terribly wrong, beyond the $$ just to let a dog rot away like that is disgraceful. I'm sorry it "offends you". What they did is terribly wrong, when I come to think of it after all these months, I begin to wonder if I somehow hadn't bonded more with the dog "nan" than with any of these villagers. 10 minutes ago, 1FinickyOne said: I was lucky as my wife was there to guide me and I had several good Thai friends to help me understand the cultural differences. Having things explained well and w/o a bias was unending help. It sounds like your wife should have been more helpful but I would ask, where was her anger coming from? What family member was in her ear? Probably her father, a good for nothing drunkard. Might not have been the "best" wife either, but I'm digressing. Thank you for your heartfelt post. This thread has run its course. /thread Edited February 25, 2022 by NanaSomchai Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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