“We can no longer live a normal life”- Russians in Thailand feel the pressure as global sanctions ratchet up

[ThailandRyan]

12 minutes ago, John Drake said:

Looks like the ruble has bounced back almost to where it was before the invasion. Sanctions look like they're failing. Russians don't need help. 

Has not bounced back much still just a little over 80 to the USD.  Its firming up where it will sit for a long time to come and the Russian stocks continue to slide. The re-opening of the Russian stock market is what helped the rouble climb back up a tad, but then its not doing as well as it had prior to the invasion when it was over 139 to the USD.  Pre invasion trading moved it upwards.

 

https://www.tradingview.com/news/reuters.com,2022:newsml_L5N2VV1EB:5-rouble-firms-russian-stocks-extend-slide-in-volatile-trade/

Edited March 29, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[zzaa09]

Global sanctions, indeed.

Repeated often and loud enough it becomes true. 

 

In this instance, the promoted global sanctions translates as a few selected imperial-reflected holdings and enforcement. 

If one is carefully observant and lesser engaged in the hypnotic state, that most of the world isn't imbibing or buying into it.

[ThailandRyan]

3 minutes ago, zzaa09 said:

Global sanctions, indeed.

Repeated often and loud enough it becomes true. 

 

In this instance, the promoted global sanctions translates as a few selected imperial-reflected holdings and enforcement. 

If one is carefully observant and lesser engaged in the hypnotic state, that most of the world isn't imbibing or buying into it.

Show me a link that can be verified as to your claims, otherwise it is just your speculation.

[metisdead]

Some more off topic posts and replies have bee removed.  Please remember this topic is about Russians in Thailand feel the pressure as global sanctions ratchet up.

[fdsa]

1 hour ago, John Drake said:

Looks like the ruble has bounced back almost to where it was before the invasion. Sanctions look like they're failing. Russians don't need help. 

You are looking at the forex page with fake exchange rates.

The "real" exchange rate for today is 106 RUB for 1 USD, and it is still fake as you could not buy USD cash, only "digits on the screen" - they will be "deposited" to your bank account but you could not cash them out instantly.

To get USD in cash one must register for a queue number and I was told that the queue is 1+month long, i.e. if you ask your bank to get USD today you will get the cash in May.

Also there is a limit on cash - you could get 10'000 USD cash TOTAL IN SUM, regardless of the amount you've bought or had on your account before the war. If you ask to cashout 2'000 USD today then you will be able to get only 8'000 USD until September.

[fdsa]

2 hours ago, fdsa said:

You are looking at the forex page with fake exchange rates.

The "real" exchange rate for today is 106 RUB for 1 USD, and it is still fake as you could not buy USD cash, only "digits on the screen" - they will be "deposited" to your bank account but you could not cash them out instantly.

To get USD in cash one must register for a queue number and I was told that the queue is 1+month long, i.e. if you ask your bank to get USD today you will get the cash in May.

Also there is a limit on cash - you could get 10'000 USD cash TOTAL IN SUM, regardless of the amount you've bought or had on your account before the war. If you ask to cashout 2'000 USD today then you will be able to get only 8'000 USD until September.

update: I've got a clarification. If you've bought dollars after 9 March then you could not get the cash at all, if you request to cashout these USD you will be given roubles at the current exchange rate.

You could get USD in cash only if you had them already before 9 March and the total sum you could cashout is 10'000 USD regardless of the amount you've had.

[pedro01]

On 3/22/2022 at 9:53 AM, Letseng said:

Now Russians know how Ukrainians feel = stranded.

All thanks to power crazy Putin. Why feel sorry for Russians? 

Because the Russian people are victims.

 

You think that Russia is a democracy and Putin is their chosen leader by elections?

[TropicalGuy]

6 hours ago, John Drake said:

Looks like the ruble has bounced back almost to where it was before the invasion. Sanctions look like they're failing. Russians don't need help. 

Tosh, Tosh & Tosh. ????????

Ruble still down 45%. Sanctions are to inflict massive continuous economic pain ????????not to force any peace. good they don’t need help as none coming. even CCP dare not risk these Sanctions coming their way …..????

[TropicalGuy]

4 hours ago, pedro01 said:

Because the Russian people are victims.

 

You think that Russia is a democracy and Putin is their chosen leader by elections?

They are willing collaborators & cowards for electing & supporting “ their chosen leader”. There cannot be 140 million “ victims.” of 2000 oppressors.

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, TropicalGuy said:

They are willing collaborators & cowards for electing & supporting “ their chosen leader”. There cannot be 140 million “ victims.” of 2000 oppressors.

I think the truth of any collective responsibility is somewhere in the middle. 

Imagine if Putin's twisted dream was realized and he took Kyiv in five minutes with no Russian boys dead. 

Does anyone believe there would be any protests in Russia in that case, as opposed to wild partying celebrations in the streets, as happened after war criminal Putin stole Crimea?

[tgw]

9 hours ago, John Drake said:

Looks like the ruble has bounced back almost to where it was before the invasion. Sanctions look like they're failing. Russians don't need help. 

it's not a real exchange rate.

eastern block countries, the real exchange rate has always been the black market rate. that practice perdured for a long time after the collapse of USSR, well after the year 2000.

with free currency exchange, this disappeared, but as Russia reintroduced currency restrictions, the black market is back.

 

the black market rate is the only true rate for exchanging currency behind the new iron curtain.

 

current rates for 1 USD are around 250 roubles, +/- 25%

 

https://globalhappenings.com/economy/119924.html

 

[pedro01]

4 hours ago, TropicalGuy said:

They are willing collaborators & cowards for electing & supporting “ their chosen leader”. There cannot be 140 million “ victims.” of 2000 oppressors.

Lol - where was your last stand then, Custer?

Edited March 29, 2022 by pedro01

[AMcC]

I'd gladly trade you a J. Trudeau for a V. Putin.

 

 

[impulse]

On 3/28/2022 at 3:29 AM, Kinnock said:

Yes ...... and no different to the 'discrimination' experienced by Germans in UK and Japanese in US during WWII.

 

Governments should be asking themselves if its wise to allow people from a war mongering rogue country to move freely within their country.

It's quite a bit different as the Russians in SEA don't present an existential threat like the Germans in the UK and the Japanese in the USA. 

 

One phone call before the battle of Midway, or during the Battle of Britain could have changed the entire course of the war.  Imagine a phone call from Hawaii saying the carriers departed, or a phone call from the Channel coast saying those radar towers really are important.

Judging from a lot of the photos and videos, there's lots of military age Russkies in resorts around the world that probably don't want to become cannon fodder.  As long as they aren't causing problems, why not let them sit out the war?  It's not as if they're forming any kind of a 5th Column in Thailand.

Edited March 29, 2022 by impulse

[impulse]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Does anyone believe there would be any protests in Russia in that case, as opposed to wild partying celebrations in the streets, as happened after war criminal Putin stole Crimea?

Is that the same Crimea where 82.8% of the locals said they'd prefer to stay with Moscow?  You sure those celebrations weren't in Sevastopol?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/?sh=58eab48510db

 

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

Is that the same Crimea where 82.8% of the locals said they'd prefer to stay with Moscow?  You sure those celebrations weren't in Sevastopol?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/?sh=58eab48510db

 

oh, here's that 7 year old link again.

[impulse]

14 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

oh, here's that 7 year old link again.

Yup.  A year after the annexation.  2 surveys by western companies.  82% wanted to stay aligned with Moscow.

 

You figure those new Russians should be punished around the world, too?

 

Edited March 29, 2022 by impulse

[Jingthing]

18 minutes ago, impulse said:

Is that the same Crimea where 82.8% of the locals said they'd prefer to stay with Moscow?  You sure those celebrations weren't in Sevastopol?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/?sh=58eab48510db

 

Irrelevant. 

Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Regions don't have that choice to separate legally. 

[Jingthing]

55 minutes ago, AMcC said:

I'd gladly trade you a J. Trudeau for a V. Putin.

 

And for those who claim the "whole world" has enacted sanctions against Russia, please see the map below.

(yellow coloured countries have enacted sanctions)

That's silly. Those countries represent most of the economic power in the world. 

[impulse]

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Irrelevant. 

Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Regions don't have that choice to separate legally. 

So Bangladesh and Pakistan should still be part of India, Yugoslavia should still be all one country, Eritrea should be part of Ethiopia, the Sudans should still be one, and... and...

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, impulse said:

So Bangladesh and Pakistan should still be part of India, Yugoslavia should still be all one country, Eritrea should be part of Ethiopia, the Sudans should still be one, and... and...

Wholesale off topic whataboutism bait ignored.

[Kinnock]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

So Bangladesh and Pakistan should still be part of India, Yugoslavia should still be all one country, Eritrea should be part of Ethiopia, the Sudans should still be one, and... and...

Yes.

 

South Thailand, Scotland, Wales, Inner Mongolia, Bali, East Malaysia, Romany Slovakia, Kurdistan, half of Yemen, Yorkshire, Texas ...... where do you stop sub dividing countries.  The residents of the region suffer due to the turmoil, and for no real benefit.

 

But in the case of Ukraine, the 'separatists' are primarily Russian medalling and propaganda.

[TropicalGuy]

7 hours ago, pedro01 said:

Lol - where was your last stand then, Custer?

Yeah it’s really funny ( and pathetic) that 200 billionaires & 2000 thugs hold down 140 million. But it’s their choice so they can eat it.
 

No Advanced Country would or has stood for that for long in last 300 years.New Russian Revolution required. 

[TropicalGuy]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Irrelevant. 

Ukraine is a sovereign nation.

Regions don't have that choice to separate legally. 

True Regions: No. Existing Nations : Yes. UN Right of Self Determination. Scotland has exercised that legal right under UK Law (said No). Catalonia & Chechnya denied that right 

[bobbin]

5 hours ago, AMcC said:

I'd gladly trade you a J. Trudeau for a V. Putin.

 

 

 

Words fail me.. but I'll give it a go..

 

Petty partisanship, showing a complete ignorance of the real world

[ozimoron]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

Yup.  A year after the annexation.  2 surveys by western companies.  82% wanted to stay aligned with Moscow.

 

You figure those new Russians should be punished around the world, too?

 

The Crimeans won't change their opinion after seeing nearby Mariupol demolished, hospitals and theatres bombed with huge loss of civilian life? They still want to be part of Russia? They wouldn't dare hold an honest referendum now.

[ThailandRyan]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

Is that the same Crimea where 82.8% of the locals said they'd prefer to stay with Moscow?  You sure those celebrations weren't in Sevastopol?

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2015/03/20/one-year-after-russia-annexed-crimea-locals-prefer-moscow-to-kiev/?sh=58eab48510db

 

Same as those polled and wanting Prayut and his cronies stay in power. Folks are scared of saying the real truth and what they truly want......

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

So Bangladesh and Pakistan should still be part of India, Yugoslavia should still be all one country, Eritrea should be part of Ethiopia, the Sudans should still be one, and... and...

A crucial difference being that in the case of Eastern Ukraine, it was Russia fueling the revolt not only with material aid but  with troops as well.

 

Disowned and forgotten: Russian soldiers in Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/disowned-and-forgotten-russian-soldiers-in-ukraine/a-17888902

 

Russian column 'disguised as separatists' enters Ukraine

https://www.france24.com/en/20140825-russian-military-column-ukraine-separatists-disguised

[TropicalGuy]

3 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The Crimeans won't change their opinion after seeing nearby Mariupol demolished, hospitals and theatres bombed with huge loss of civilian life? They still want to be part of Russia? They wouldn't dare hold an honest referendum now.

Crimea has always been 80% ethnically Russian & Strategic to Russia ( Black Sea / Med access). 
 

All Russian- speaking Ukraine areas should have been retained by Russia pre-Ukraine independence leaving a Free Ukrainian- speaking Western but Non- NATO Neutral “West Ukraine”. 
 

To partly correct that gross error Russia should, from its perspective, simply have directly seized / absorbed Donbass & Crimea simultaneously to have somewhat settled the matter which would have avoided this invasion now.
 

What more sanctions could West have then done in addition to Crimea sanctions ? None ?Probably considered but rejected as insufficient power or unacceptable risk to do it.

Edited March 30, 2022 by TropicalGuy

[pedro01]

4 hours ago, TropicalGuy said:

Yeah it’s really funny ( and pathetic) that 200 billionaires & 2000 thugs hold down 140 million. But it’s their choice so they can eat it.
 

No Advanced Country would or has stood for that for long in last 300 years.New Russian Revolution required. 

Easy to say when your life isn't on the line, eh?