Popular Post webfact Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 By Thai PBS World’s Political Desk This month brings a make-or-break meeting for the Thai Navy’s deal to buy a Chinese-made submarine, with delivery threatened by the fading chance of China getting German top-end engines as stipulated in the contract. Next year’s delivery deadline for Thailand’s first submarine since World War II is now out of the question. The German government refuses to supply MTU396 diesel engines from Germany’s Motor and Turbine Union company, as specified in the Bt13.5-billion purchase deal signed in 2017 between the Royal Thai Navy (RTN) and China’s state-owned China Shipbuilding & Offshore International Co (CSOC) for the Yuan-class S26T submarine. Bid to save deal Both sides will hold talks later this month in a bid to settle the submarine engine issue, with RTN chief Admiral Somprasong Nilsamai insisting CSOC has to comply with the contract by fitting the submarine with the German propulsion system. Keep up to date with all things Thailand - Join our daily ASEAN NOW Thailand Newsletter - Click to subscribe The Thai Navy has turned down CSOC’s offer to use Chinese-made engines that are certified by Germany’s MTU or to transfer two of China’s decommissioned submarines to Thailand. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/engine-troubles-bring-sink-or-swim-moment-for-thailands-sub-deal-with-china/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2022-04-05 - Aetna offers a range of visa-compliant plans that meet the minimum requirement of medical treatment, including COVID-19, up to THB 3m. For more information on all expat health insurance plans click here. - Follow ASEAN NOW on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates 5 2 18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 Looks like the money can be removed from the table and the losses if any can be chalked up to doing business without a guarantee. I mean they could buy a couple of hamster cages with the wheels inside and use the hamsters as the power turbine or even put a few exercise bikes inside with a chain reaching out to the screws..... 4 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 26 minutes ago, webfact said: with RTN chief Admiral Somprasong Nilsamai insisting CSOC has to comply with the contract by fitting the submarine with the German propulsion system. That's going to be hard since the Germans will not supply the engines to the Chinese. ???? 10 2 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hayduke Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) 44 minutes ago, webfact said: Next year’s delivery deadline for Thailand’s first submarine since World War II is now out of the question. Great news. The Generals can now pocket 100% of the money (instead of the usual 40%) and blame the whole terrible ‘misunderstanding’ on those unfriendly, uncooperative Germans. Edited April 5, 2022 by Hayduke 12 1 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mtls2005 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 Naming the sub HTMS Hopewell would probably not be a good idea? Suspect there will be high speed rail before a sub? 3 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post edwinchester Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 If the subs ever do arrive in Thailand I hope the Navy check that the Chinese haven't just put MTU stickers on a Lifan engine. 2 15 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrJack54 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 They could always just do as Australia did to France. "We don't want that anymore. We had change of heart" 7 3 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Misterwhisper Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 28 minutes ago, Hayduke said: Great news. The Generals can now pocket 100% of the money (instead of the usual 40%) and blame the whole terrible ‘misunderstanding’ on those unfriendly, uncooperative Germans. You mean just like they did in WW1, when they declared the Germans "unfriendly" in order to impound the northern railway line the Germans had built for them when they were still "friendly" (and which after the war was finished by the "always friendly" Danes)? Then, still later on and in an ironic twist, the "friendly-again" Germans happily supplied the locomotives and rolling stock, of course. 6 1 1 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 11 minutes ago, DrJack54 said: They could always just do as Australia did to France. "We don't want that anymore. We had change of heart" But the Australian politicians weren't going to acquire fabulous personal wealth from the deal so they were happy to walk away. Plus they got to irriate the hell out of Macron, and who could resist that? No way Thai politicians (or should I say Generals) are going to walk away from this deal. They wouldn't care if the subs have engines from a 30 year old Honda wave as long as they collect the coin that such a deal generates for them and their cronies. It's not like they're going to use the subs anyway, the water is too shallow. I predict a solution will be found with the CCP and the Thai Generals will acquire yet more incredible, generational wealth from this deal. 15 1 2 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Misterwhisper Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 Oh for goodness' sake! Just install a large rubber band in place of a complicated German engine and be done with it. At least the glorious Thai Navy will know how to operate it. 2 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post DrJack54 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) 5 minutes ago, JonnyF said: I predict a solution will be found with the CCP and the Thai Generals will acquire yet more incredible, generational wealth from this deal. Plus with so much flooding in Pattaya there will always be a use. Edited April 5, 2022 by DrJack54 1 22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post VocalNeal Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 49 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: That's going to be hard since the Germans will not supply the engines to the Chinese. ???? 48 minutes ago, Hayduke said: uncooperative Germans. MTU is owned by Rolls Royce 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JonnyF Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 19 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: MTU is owned by Rolls Royce Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW). 8 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 10 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW). So instead of a loss of engines known as a Bummer, the truth is that it's a Bimmer.......good to know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post hanuman2543 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 43 minutes ago, VocalNeal said: MTU is owned by Rolls Royce And is a German company: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Power_Systems#:~:text=Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG is a German company owned,engine manufacturing brands and facilities. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hanuman2543 Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) 24 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW). That is true only for the car unit. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Motor_Cars Edited April 5, 2022 by hanuman2543 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 (edited) 25 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW). No. Rolls Royce Motor Cars is BMW. (Bentley is VW). MTU is Rolls Royce Power Holdings I can use the Interweb before posting just like everyone else. ???? Edited April 5, 2022 by VocalNeal 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VocalNeal Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Probably more motivated by intellectual property than politics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post jvs Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 2 hours ago, webfact said: The Thai Navy has turned down CSOC’s offer to use Chinese-made engines that are certified by Germany’s MTU or to transfer two of China’s decommissioned submarines to Thailand. Does this mean the Thai government knows something about Chinese build quality? Looking a few years ahead,will they trust Chinese made rockets to fly to the moon? 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mr Meeseeks Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 3 hours ago, JonnyF said: Rolls Royce is owned by Zee Germunz (BMW). The English own Zee Germunz (two world wars one world cup). 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post TheFishman1 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 No one will ever know the real cost of these submarines the top people make a fortune any time Thailand buys anything especially that expensive TIT 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Dialemco Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 Does Thailand really need submarines? Probably not just cancel and use money wisely to stimulate the economy. 5 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 4 hours ago, VocalNeal said: MTU is owned by Rolls Royce And Rolls Royce is owned byyyyy....? (Yes, that's right!) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vandeventer Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 5 hours ago, DrJack54 said: They could always just do as Australia did to France. "We don't want that anymore. We had change of heart" I think Thailand would be better off having a better missile system but not Chinese one that works. https://www.voanews.com/a/chinese-weapons-exports-decline/6258163.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterwhisper Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 40 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said: The English own Zee Germunz (two world wars one world cup). Yes, but please remember: 1 World Cup. ONE! ONE!!! And that was well over half a century ago! Of course Ze Chairmans have pulled ahead quite a bit since then, having won FOUR titles in total. .AND they own RR. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post malibukid Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 5 hours ago, JonnyF said: But the Australian politicians weren't going to acquire fabulous personal wealth from the deal so they were happy to walk away. Plus they got to irriate the hell out of Macron, and who could resist that? No way Thai politicians (or should I say Generals) are going to walk away from this deal. They wouldn't care if the subs have engines from a 30 year old Honda wave as long as they collect the coin that such a deal generates for them and their cronies. It's not like they're going to use the subs anyway, the water is too shallow. I predict a solution will be found with the CCP and the Thai Generals will acquire yet more incredible, generational wealth from this deal. the money would be better spent improving the infractructure and the lives of the Thai people. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaan sailor Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 4 hours ago, hanuman2543 said: And is a German company: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Power_Systems#:~:text=Rolls-Royce Power Systems AG is a German company owned,engine manufacturing brands and facilities. And the stock, BAMXF rocks. It pays a 7% dividend. Win/win. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chongalulu Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 42 minutes ago, Misterwhisper said: And Rolls Royce is owned byyyyy....? (Yes, that's right!) You don’t know the difference between Rolls Royce cars and the rest of Rolls Royce ?… the latter is a UK public company in which HMGovernment has a golden share . 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Swampy999 Posted April 5, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted April 5, 2022 First there was the 800 million baht purchase of the GT200 mine (golf ball) detectors then the aircraft carrier with no aircraft now it's submarines without engines, cant wait to see what will be missing on their moon rocket ???????? 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burma Bill Posted April 5, 2022 Share Posted April 5, 2022 Engine troubles bring sink-or-swim moment for Thailand’s sub deal with China Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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