Bar owners are finding it hard to recruit Thai girls

[Leaver]

19 hours ago, Hummin said:

Some fetish is abusing, like anal sex, not use condom, and not listen to girls when they say no. A few examples. 

 

I heard many who said they go bad girls, and also complaining about girls did not want to do a bj. 

 

Abuse comes in many ways, and what if girls suddenly got second thoughts after coming home with a customer? 

 

It happened to me a few times I really did not wanted to have sex with girls, and I promise you, some of them was not happy ????A few of them forced themselves on me to, but not harmed in any way, just the normal day after nerves, I can't tell from a bar girl experience, but I'm quite sure many of them had their experiences they do not talk about. I realized I had a few nutters coming home with me, and also a few smelly ones that turned me off and one with more hair on her bish and legs only a man should have. However western women.

 

If a you barfined a girl, and she do not want to have sex with you, what then? I know that have been discussed before in the old Phuket forum which no longer exists. It was quite a few perverts there in my opinion who should never had a passport.

 

You raise some interesting points, however, the girls offer a service.  The price for their services is usually negotiated beforehand. 

 

Should the girls agree to providing a particular service that you have called "abuse" then how can it be abuse by the customer?  

 

I've bar fined a couple of girls in the past who came up with the "I have period"  or "Mama just have motorbike accident" scam.  I went back to the bar and asked for the bar fine back, and told the girl I was doing so.  Don't know what happened to their employment after that.  

 

I don't condone violence against women, but Pattaya is the world's brothel, and yes, it attracts dodgy guys, and dodgy Thai hookers, who are  not all the innocent victims you portray them to be.

 

[scubascuba3]

On a positive note i noticed a lot more hot girls around Buakhao today, maybe all back for Songkran

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Leaver said:

 

You raise some interesting points, however, the girls offer a service.  The price for their services is usually negotiated beforehand. 

 

Should the girls agree to providing a particular service that you have called "abuse" then how can it be abuse by the customer?  

 

I've bar fined a couple of girls in the past who came up with the "I have period"  or "Mama just have motorbike accident" scam.  I went back to the bar and asked for the bar fine back, and told the girl I was doing so.  Don't know what happened to their employment after that.  

 

I don't condone violence against women, but Pattaya is the world's brothel, and yes, it attracts dodgy guys, and dodgy Thai hookers, who are  not all the innocent victims you portray them to be.

 

I never expected sex when barfined a girl, and in most cases I just spent time with them, going to restaurant, nightclub, a holiday trip, or just hang out for some time. Sex came as an bonus where they took the first step.

 

However using girls primary for sex is in my mind abuse of a bar girl or not, but I understand that maybe is far out for most here. 

 

Girls useally tell if they have period, and also period can happen between bar and coming home. 

 

Also I understand girls can get cold feet after an agreement. I would not felt comfortable if the girl was not up for it, paid for or not. However I have never discussed money or made an agreement with a girl for sex before leaving a bar.

 

It is what it is, no more no less.

[BritManToo]

14 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I never expected sex when barfined a girl, ...........

However I have never discussed money or made an agreement with a girl for sex before leaving a bar.

That's just weird!

[scubascuba3]

20 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I never expected sex when barfined a girl, and in most cases I just spent time with them, going to restaurant, nightclub, a holiday trip, or just hang out for some time. Sex came as an bonus where they took the first step.

 

However using girls primary for sex is in my mind abuse of a bar girl or not, but I understand that maybe is far out for most here. 

 

Girls useally tell if they have period, and also period can happen between bar and coming home. 

 

Also I understand girls can get cold feet after an agreement. I would not felt comfortable if the girl was not up for it, paid for or not. However I have never discussed money or made an agreement with a girl for sex before leaving a bar.

 

It is what it is, no more no less.

Presumably you agree the money up front? girls don't care if you have sex or not as long as you pay

[mancub]

31 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

Presumably you agree the money up front? girls don't care if you have sex or not as long as you pay

Indeed. you would think the concept of "short or long time" would have arisen also !

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I never expected sex when barfined a girl, and in most cases I just spent time with them, going to restaurant, nightclub, a holiday trip, or just hang out for some time. Sex came as an bonus where they took the first step.

 

However using girls primary for sex is in my mind abuse of a bar girl or not, but I understand that maybe is far out for most here. 

 

Girls useally tell if they have period, and also period can happen between bar and coming home. 

 

Also I understand girls can get cold feet after an agreement. I would not felt comfortable if the girl was not up for it, paid for or not. However I have never discussed money or made an agreement with a girl for sex before leaving a bar.

 

It is what it is, no more no less.

 

If "sex came as a bonus where they took the first step" how can it be abuse, just because the guy takes the first step?  Have you ever heard of the term, "mutual consent?" 

 

I think what you are describing is perhaps taking advantage of your superior financial capability, but that doesn't mean you are abusing a girl who is offering sex services, in any country. 

 

Prostitution is a job, and a legal job in many countries.  The morality, or financial need, behind the decision to become a prostitute is for another thread, but it doesn't mean guys using these services are abusive.  

 

What price do the girls accept for being company for the evening, without sex?  

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/13/2022 at 2:21 AM, Hummin said:

If a you barfined a girl, and she do not want to have sex with you, what then?

You take them back to the bar without giving them any money and complain to the mama san. That's her job.

What you don't do is "insist" else have a visit from the plod.

[thaibeachlovers]

7 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

If "sex came as a bonus where they took the first step" how can it be abuse, just because the guy takes the first step?  Have you ever heard of the term, "mutual consent?" 

 

I think what you are describing is perhaps taking advantage of your superior financial capability, but that doesn't mean you are abusing a girl who is offering sex services, in any country. 

 

Prostitution is a job, and a legal job in many countries.  The morality, or financial need, behind the decision to become a prostitute is for another thread, but it doesn't mean guys using these services are abusive.  

 

What price do the girls accept for being company for the evening, without sex?  

As with escort services in other countries where prostitution is not legal, we pay for their time, not sex. The sex is extra and by consent.

 

The cost is the same whether sex has been had or not.

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

You take them back to the bar without giving them any money and complain to the mama san. That's her job.

What you don't do is "insist" else have a visit from the plod.

Really??

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, Hummin said:

Really??

Yes, really.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, BritManToo said:

That's just weird!

Not weird, actually. I've chatted to prostitutes back home that said many of their regulars visited for company, not sex. Usually married men with emotionally empty marriages.

[jacko45k]

10 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

On a positive note i noticed a lot more hot girls around Buakhao today, maybe all back for Songkran

I always felt some moved out from Bangkok over Songkran.... 

[JensenZ]

On 4/7/2022 at 2:54 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Will the girls want to go back to working in bars ?

Some would have gone back to their village and gotton themselves a life there , job , kids , married or whatever .

   Others would have continued their work using online sites for customers . 

Others would have found alternative work  and the appeal of being a prostitute working in a bar may not appeal to any new girls entering the trade.

  This may be the final nail in the coffin of Pattayas sex industry  

LOL... another theory that Pattaya is doomed. There might be a temporary lull in finding girls, but there aren't many customers so they are not currently needed. It will take time, but it will happen... however, from a person who actually lives in Pattaya... take a ride around the beer bar areas - there are plenty of girls standing around doing nothing. There seems to be no shortage of girls. If you're looking for girls, they are not hard to find.

 

The funniest part of this 'article of nonsense' was the suggestion that bar girls went back to the province to find regular jobs in factories etc. They are not working in factories or getting dirty planting rice LOL. They will come back if they haven't already.

[BritManToo]

10 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Presumably you agree the money up front? girls don't care if you have sex or not as long as you pay

I've always found most insisted on the sex, even if I were too drunk and just wanted to go to sleep.

[JensenZ]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

I've always found most insisted on the sex, even if I were too drunk and just wanted to go to sleep.

You're too "hansum" for your own good LOL

 

Perhaps the sex is an insurance policy just in case customers try to get out of paying.

[BritManToo]

On 4/12/2022 at 9:21 PM, Hummin said:

If a you barfined a girl, and she do not want to have sex with you, what then?

Only happened to me once in PI, I called resort security  (guy with a shotgun) and had him escort her off the premises.

[PJ71]

18 hours ago, Leaver said:

I went back to the bar and asked for the bar fine back,

LOL.

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, Leaver said:

I've bar fined a couple of girls in the past who came up with the "I have period"  or "Mama just have motorbike accident" scam.  I went back to the bar and asked for the bar fine back, and told the girl I was doing so.  Don't know what happened to their employment after that.  

I once had a bargirl for a couple weeks that asked for a night to go visit her mother. I was somewhat surprised to find her exiting Marine disco with a farang, and asked mama san for bar fine back, but she refused to give it to me. I had been a good customer at that barbeer till then, but no more.

I suspect it went badly for the girl though.

 

The only one that tried the "I don't feel well" scam was a Filipina in Cyprus, but she only got the bar fine cut as I didn't give her anything. Would have been some what difficult getting the actual bar fine back as it was an extremely overpriced bottle of booze which was consumed. They did things differently in Cyprus back then- I have no idea of the current procedure.

[Leaver]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As with escort services in other countries where prostitution is not legal, we pay for their time, not sex. The sex is extra and by consent.

 

The cost is the same whether sex has been had or not.

 

I get that, but both are services on offer, and in my opinion both do not constitute any abuse if the escort / prostitute is offering her services of her own free will.

 

Now, if she won the Thai lottery, would she continue to be a prostitute, probably not, but that's for another thread. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Leaver said:

 

I get that, but both are services on offer, and in my opinion both do not constitute any abuse if the escort / prostitute is offering her services of her own free will.

 

Now, if she won the Thai lottery, would she continue to be a prostitute, probably not, but that's for another thread. 

But she isnt having sex with you because she wants to have sex with you .

She is having sex with you because she wants the money 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, PJ71 said:

LOL.

 

Yes, I did, not so much for the return of the money, but to let the bar know they were employing a scammer. 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I once had a bargirl for a couple weeks that asked for a night to go visit her mother. I was somewhat surprised to find her exiting Marine disco with a farang, and asked mama san for bar fine back, but she refused to give it to me. I had been a good customer at that barbeer till then, but no more.

I suspect it went badly for the girl though.

 

The only one that tried the "I don't feel well" scam was a Filipina in Cyprus, but she only got the bar fine cut as I didn't give her anything. Would have been some what difficult getting the actual bar fine back as it was an extremely overpriced bottle of booze which was consumed. They did things differently in Cyprus back then- I have no idea of the current procedure.

 

It happens.  Just another reason why online will gain in popularity in the future. 

 

If the service is not provided, there's no loss of money for the customer, accept for maybe some drinks at regular prices. 

[Leaver]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But she isnt having sex with you because she wants to have sex with you .

She is having sex with you because she wants the money 

 

Well, most of us didn't get out of bed and go to work everyday because we wanted to, either.  ????

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But she isnt having sex with you because she wants to have sex with you .

She is having sex with you because she wants the money 

You've just described 99% of male/female sexual encounters in the world.

 

[Bruno123]

14 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You've just described 99% of male/female sexual encounters in the world.

 

You are very cynical ???? But that is not the world in which I grew up; so I haven't ever replicated that behaviour. 

In fact many of my peers were proud of their ability to extract money from women; cars and jewellery etc all bought by their girlfriends. Not my friends, per se. 

I did it once, to my shame; suggested to a girl who was interested in me that there was a guitar that I liked. She said that she would buy it for me. Perhaps she did; I don't remember.

Also my older girlfriends(18 to 28) would spend more on me, simply because they had more.

 

So paying someone for their company seems appalling to me. By all means pay for your first meetings in order to get to know each other. But once the relationship begins, you are taking care of each other. 

 

That for me is a normal relationship. What you describe is something else. I haven't experienced such a thing, as such a person would be quickly discounted.

 

I guess you'll say I'm one of the 1% ???? 

 

 

 

 

 

[PJ71]

4 hours ago, Leaver said:

 

Yes, I did, not so much for the return of the money, but to let the bar know they were employing a scammer. 

LOL

[Leaver]

2 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

 But that is not the world in which I grew up;

 

It's not the the world I grew up in either, however, that is the world today.  It's all about what you are, not who you are these days. 

 

2 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

What you describe is something else. I haven't experienced such a thing, as such a person would be quickly discounted.

 

Studies have shown divorce rates rise and fall with changing economic conditions.  I guess the success of many marriages depends on earning capacity at a give time.  That would appear to make money the central part of the marriage. 

 

[BritManToo]

2 hours ago, Bruno123 said:

I guess you'll say I'm one of the 1% ???? 

More like living in denial IMHO.

[Leaver]

7 minutes ago, PJ71 said:

LOL

 

Let me guess, your girl is different.  ????