Thailand records highest daily COVID-19 deaths since January

[CharlieH]

Reported post and response to it removed.

[garyk]

16 hours ago, anchadian said:

A further report of how a holiday to Thailand turns into a living nightmare:

 

Banged up in paradise: how our dream holiday to Thailand ended before it began

 

Testing positive for Covid on arrival in Bangkok condemned Abigail Flanagan to nine nights in a ‘hospitel’ overlooking an eight-lane ring road

‘The man test negative, but you positive,” the hotel concierge explained gently, over the phone. “Please stay in room. The doctor will call tomorrow.”

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/banged-up-in-paradise-how-our-dream-holiday-to-thailand-ended-before-it-began-fttgqtmtr

 I saw a report in Shanghai, unbelievable.. 

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The big difference being some countries at least try to get accurate numbers and are transparent in their reporting. Thailand's testing is evidence to a clearly failed and inaccurate case number count that along with its positivity rate of over 32% and current high excess death counts. 

 

Hospitals are not full because this is spread throughout the country, unlike the Delta wave where Bangkok was hardest hit for most of the time and where hospitals certainly were full turning away patients.

 

IMO, the biggest differences are that Omicron is intrinsically less severe than Delta, and that there are vaccines.

 

 

 

[Harry Black]

2 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

More than 60% of Thailand's population, including the most vulnerable segment of senior citizens, has NOT received a third dose COVID booster vaccine that's required to best combat the Omicron variant.

It would be interesting to know how many in that 60% that have not received a booster, but have 2 vaccinations and an infection. Lets not discount the hybrid immunity. I fit that category have have no intention of getting a booster at present. 

 

The emphasis should be getting the boosters  to the vulnerable who make up the majority of the seriously ill /deaths. I was speaking to an 77 year old expat the other day, not the healthiest of guys I know to be honest (and that's even considering he is 77) and told him to get a booster, he thought he had to wait 6 months (AZ) but I corrected him. He has so far 'escaped' infection.

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

 

IMO, the biggest differences are that Omicron is intrinsically less severe than Delta, and that there are vaccines.

 

 

 

Did you notice the post I was replying to? The big difference was in the accuracy in numbers. The issue of Delta and Omicron is not in question.

[Boomer6969]

17 hours ago, anchadian said:

A further report of how a holiday to Thailand turns into a living nightmare:

 

Banged up in paradise: how our dream holiday to Thailand ended before it began

 

Testing positive for Covid on arrival in Bangkok condemned Abigail Flanagan to nine nights in a ‘hospitel’ overlooking an eight-lane ring road

‘The man test negative, but you positive,” the hotel concierge explained gently, over the phone. “Please stay in room. The doctor will call tomorrow.”

 

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/banged-up-in-paradise-how-our-dream-holiday-to-thailand-ended-before-it-began-fttgqtmtr

Anyone taking a trip that involves any form of mandatory Covid testing is just plain stupid. These people could have had a nice trip in Europe, skiing or hiking in Crete eating delicious Greek food with Retsina and Ouzo.

[WEBBYB808]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

Not a country in the world has accurate numbers.

You have to look elsewhere for the facts.

Are the hospitals unable to cope with the number of seriously ill patients? 

Are the crematoriums unable to cope with the number of dead bodies?

I have been going to the hospital regularly throughout the pandemic and there has never been any indication of a significant problem. When I was there last week bit like a ghost town, maybe everyone was at home with covid.

True enough as it is impossible to get 100% accuracy   But we do know, because  history  teaches us, well some of us, that the Media is power, and has in the past, in history, been manipulated.   Im not saying that is whats happening  here, but history...

[spidermike007]

Thailand is now has the distinction of being #6 in the world for covid deaths and #8 in the world for covid cases, as of yesterday. Congrats Anutin. As you said, your nation is doing very well. 

 

Has he been hiding out? He has mysteriously gone silent. Very unlike this media spotlight lover. 

[ThailandRyan]

17 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Thailand is now has the distinction of being #6 in the world for covid deaths and #8 in the world for covid cases, as of yesterday. Congrats Anutin. As you said, your nation is doing very well. 

 

Has he been hiding out? He has mysteriously gone silent. Very unlike this media spotlight lover. 

Stoned is a possibility to forget all of the Ills that are plaguing Thailand as far as the Omicron Spread and his ineffectual leadership of the MOPH.  The only one that has spouted anything has been Prayut and that was that he was not amused by the water throwing and banged up both the Bangkok Governor and Phuket Governors, telling them to take care of things....

[Cabradelmar]

19 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Your comment above reminds me about the story, by way of a COVID analogy, about putting a live frog in a pot of water, and turning on the stove to cook.

 

The frog doesn't notice anything's amiss as the water gradually keeps getting warmer and then hotter and hotter... Until by the time the frog notices, it's already too late and the frog is dead and cooked.

 

Except this is a never ending simmer with nothing near a boiling point. It's like watching grass grow. Boring AF.

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Stoned is a possibility to forget all of the Ills that are plaguing Thailand as far as the Omicron Spread and his ineffectual leadership of the MOPH.  The only one that has spouted anything has been Prayut and that was that he was not amused by the water throwing and banged up both the Bangkok Governor and Phuket Governors, telling them to take care of things....

Stoned at the full moon party maybe...lol

[ChC1]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Regarding your point #1:

More than 60% of Thailand's population, including the most vulnerable segment of senior citizens, has NOT received a third dose COVID booster vaccine that's required to best combat the Omicron variant.

 

So, exactly how is that kind of specific vaccination rate in Thailand going to be the "way forward" for the time being?

 

Regarding your point #3:

There was a study reported here in the past week that looked at COVID exposure rates in various countries, including some where the immunity rate was up to 80 percent, and that did not lead to a major falloff in infections. Thus the authors concluded "herd immunity" isn't likely to occur with the current variant.

 

First, there is no set numbers. But what I read from various sources (almost all immunology and virology articles) that 2/3 (67%) to 75% of population seems to be the magic threshold for 'herd immunity'. But that is not say 67% to 75% vaccination rate is enough. Because vaccination is only one of the many component to fight the pandemic. The ideal situation is that almost everyone should be vaccinated.

 

However, another poster has pointed out, that vaccine quality and boosters matters. Thailand is lacking both. 

 

Your third point, please kindly point to the source of your claim if you can. One thing we must understand, herd immunity does not mean nobody will get infected. Herd immunity only means majority of the population has the antibody and their immune system can identify the infection and fight successfully on their own. And one part of the theory suggests hopefully with 3 generations of population developing antibodies, the virus can be weakened so much that it eventually could not kill anyone. So judging from what is happening in the US and EU, the virus has been significantly weakened. It does offer some HOPE that a version of herd immunity can be achieved (that majority of people have antibodies.).  

[Bkk Brian]

23 minutes ago, ChC1 said:

First, there is no set numbers. But what I read from various sources (almost all immunology and virology articles) that 2/3 (67%) to 75% of population seems to be the magic threshold for 'herd immunity'. But that is not say 67% to 75% vaccination rate is enough. Because vaccination is only one of the many component to fight the pandemic. The ideal situation is that almost everyone should be vaccinated.

 

However, another poster has pointed out, that vaccine quality and boosters matters. Thailand is lacking both. 

 

Your third point, please kindly point to the source of your claim if you can. One thing we must understand, herd immunity does not mean nobody will get infected. Herd immunity only means majority of the population has the antibody and their immune system can identify the infection and fight successfully on their own. And one part of the theory suggests hopefully with 3 generations of population developing antibodies, the virus can be weakened so much that it eventually could not kill anyone. So judging from what is happening in the US and EU, the virus has been significantly weakened. It does offer some HOPE that a version of herd immunity can be achieved (that majority of people have antibodies.).  

Those set of numbers that you quoted despite saying there is no set of numbers was from well over a year ago when the experts were predicting herd immunity with the original strain. Since then things have completely changed with the evolution of the variants.  Omicron while less deadly has led to a vast amount of re infections in people who had been infected before and we also know it has massive vaccine evasion capabilities. 

 

Herd immunity is not a given anymore:

 

Is omicron leading us closer to herd immunity against COVID-19?

Experts say it’s not likely that the highly transmissible variant — or any other variant — will lead to herd immunity.

 

Living with covid is all we can do and yes of course there's hope as demonstrated in other countries.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

43 minutes ago, ChC1 said:

First, there is no set numbers. But what I read from various sources (almost all immunology and virology articles) that 2/3 (67%) to 75% of population seems to be the magic threshold for 'herd immunity'.

I could ask you the same question in terms of some source for the claims you're making above. There was a time, prior to Omicron, when the health authorities speculated that herd immunity might be reached with the coronavirus.

 

But since the advent of Omicron, everything I've seen and read pretty much discounts that now as a practical reality, at least with the current variant.  No one that I know of, who's credible, is saying these days, gee, if we could just get more people infected, this whole thing would go away.

 

 

43 minutes ago, ChC1 said:

 

Your third point, please kindly point to the source of your claim if you can. One thing we must understand, herd immunity does not mean nobody will get infected. Herd immunity only means majority of the population has the antibody and their immune system can identify the infection and fight successfully on their own.

 

February 25, 2022

What is the “herd immunity” definition?

"According to experts, herd immunity is  “when a significant portion of a population becomes immune to an infectious disease,” slowing disease spread.

 

• Experts doubt that we will ever reach herd immunity for COVID-19. 

 

• Many people in the U.S. and around the world remain unvaccinated, giving the SARS-CoV2 virus a chance to spread and mutate."

 

https://www.goodrx.com/conditions/covid-19/covid-19-herd-immunity

 

AND

 

Here's the study that I was referring to:

 

From the linked news report:

No indication of herd immunity

 

"Even at 80% total immunity [in some countries], there was no indication of an abrupt decline of infections, which the researchers said suggests no clear indication of herd immunity in the data."

 

And from the study itself:

 

"The cumulative proportion of the population ever infected varied greatly between countries and territories, with rates higher than 70% in 40 countries and lower than 20% in 39 countries. There was no discernible relationship between R_effective and total immunity, and even at total immunity levels of 80%, we observed no indication of an abrupt drop in R_effective, indicating that there is not a clear herd immunity threshold observed in the data."

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Interesting international comparisons chart today from the MoPH...

 

Even with COVID deaths rising here on almost a daily basis to new highs for the year, Thailand (at 11 deaths per 1 million population during the past week) still has a lower current per capita COVID death rate than....

 

...Greece (45), South Korea (35), the UK and Austria (22 each), New Zealand (20), Italy (16), and France and Germany (13 each).

 

The UK per capita COVID deaths rate right now is one of the highest among major world countries, including triple that of the U.S. and double that of Thailand according to the chart below... And yet Brits here are regularly posting that everything is peachy in the UK...

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/543618207256508/?type=3

 

Not so peachy... (these numbers below from Our World in Data are also per capita, but on a different scale, looking at seven-day-average daily new COVID deaths per million population):

 

 

Source weblink

 

Highest number of Covid deaths recorded for over a year

 

It comes as the number of deaths, by 7-day average, is increasing across the nation

 

"The UK has recorded the highest number of Covid deaths in more than a year - since February 17th 2021. The latest figures, which show deaths within 28 days of a positive test by the date recorded, saw a spike of 651 deaths on Tuesday (April 13).

 

It comes as the number of deaths, by 7-day average, is increasing across the nation. This is despite cases and hospital admissions continuing to fall up and down the UK."

 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/uk-news/highest-number-covid-deaths-recorded-23698614

 

[mommysboy]

 

For comparison:

 

In order to reach a point where infections have plateaued and even begun to dip, the UK had to endure a solid couple of months where daily deaths were between 150 and 300 per day, sometimes higher and lower.  This, despite having one of the best vaccination programs in the world particularly amongst the elderly, and much higher so called 'hybrid immunity', and a lot of chronically ill people had already succumbed to Covid19 in previous waves. 

 

Lets hope Thailand gets off lightly.  Certainly, there is evidence if you believe it that flu epidemics are much less severe than in the UK, and there could be other factors at play too.  

 

But right now I would suggest that people don't get alarmed at figures of 125, because this could easily double.  My suspicion is the Government for all its bluster will take fright and we'll see renewed restrictions.  Sadly, however, the only way through this variant is the way it is now being done in the European countries imo.

 

 

 

 

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COVID-19: Thailand reports 124 deaths, 16,994 new coronavirus cases, 25,910 recoveries

 

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Thailand on Monday (April 18) reported 16,994 new COVID-19 cases, 25,910 recoveries and 124 additional deaths over the past 24 hours. 

 

Full report: https://aseannow.com/topic/1257042-covid-19-thailand-reports-124-deaths-16994-new-coronavirus-cases-25910-recoveries/

 

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