6 hours ago, Pib said:

 

Yeap....no doubt many people will be reserving/ordering their Christmas present.  Happy Times...Ho...Ho....Ho. 😊

 

But at the same time it will turn some "recent buyers" into mad, upset Grinches as there will surely be motor show / end of year price-cuts on many models....very healthy price cuts. 😡

 

 

Or people might get wise and plan ahead looking at the models release this year and will be on clearance price in 2 years time

MG ZS EV Launched March 2022 Clearance price August 2024 approx 30 months

BYD Seal Launched September 2023 Huge Price reduction September 2025 approx 24 months will there be another price reduction this year is anyone guess it will depend on stock levels

Likewise depends on Stock levels will we see new version of Seal in next month's motorshow or March 2026 motorshow

6 hours ago, Pib said:

Different ways car manufacturers can build/design their EV battery/charging system to charge from lower power DC chargers typically in the 20KW to 50KW range "where the output may only be 500VDC max."  

Sorry for my ignorance but you seem already a bit ahead with this stuff. Do you have to chose the DC voltage, or  "could" you chose it on the charger display or in the car?  I'm thinking if the cars have a DC/DC converter integrated which would work from 150V upwards, then the step to connect it to a solar array would not be that far. The only issue I see here is the variation when there are clouds passing then the array cannot provide the current the thing has negotiated in the beginning.

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Or people might get wise and plan ahead looking at the models release this year and will be on clearance price in 2 years time

MG ZS EV Launched March 2022 Clearance price August 2024 approx 30 months

BYD Seal Launched September 2023 Huge Price reduction September 2025 approx 24 months will there be another price reduction this year is anyone guess it will depend on stock levels

Likewise depends on Stock levels will we see new version of Seal in next month's motorshow or March 2026 motorshow

I'm waiting another 17 years, when our ZS becomes a 'classic' and starts appreciating in price 

I see the cheaper DC chargers 20-30kw being useful but I doubt they'll be sold into the consumer market.  However, those without sufficient power or budget for the big ones, eg taxi/private hire operators, shopping malls etc are a perfect market for them.

 

7 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

Thanks a lot for the highly educated posts and pictures!

I've been looking for this info. 

 

Can you share link of the DC models? 

Wondering how much the 20kw DC charger needs from AC? 

And if a 3phase 11 or 22kw AC charger might be better. Thinking for a future plans...the 3P charger are much cheaper however most accessible cars are up to 11 kw AC Charging only. 

 

Besides it's not everywhere that you can have 400v lines. Has to be commercial isn't?

 

Don't install an 11Kw charger, it will only charge most cars at 3.6Kw, if you want to be future proof and have 3 phase at your home, go for a 22Kw charger.  Some 22Kw 3P chargers are capable of being wired up for 7Kw 1P too.

 

Incidentally, a I have an ABB 1P/3P 7Kw/22Kw with installation from BYD's partner available if anyone wants it?

2 hours ago, JBChiangRai said:

I see the cheaper DC chargers 20-30kw being useful but I doubt they'll be sold into the consumer market.  However, those without sufficient power or budget for the big ones, eg taxi/private hire operators, shopping malls etc are a perfect market for them.

 

 

Don't install an 11Kw charger, it will only charge most cars at 3.6Kw, if you want to be future proof and have 3 phase at your home, go for a 22Kw charger.  Some 22Kw 3P chargers are capable of being wired up for 7Kw 1P too.

 

Incidentally, a I have an ABB 1P/3P 7Kw/22Kw with installation from BYD's partner available if anyone wants it?

thanks, I checked I will likely install the 3P 22kW, and I like ABB. but right now I'm on a single phase old house with limited Current and it will be another 6 months to 1 year before I can apply for 3P. heck, my voltage even drops to nearly 200V when I'm charging at 15A. nominal is barely 220v. 

How much are you looking to sell your ABB charger? you can DM me if you prefer.

 

10 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

Thanks a lot for the highly educated posts and pictures!

I've been looking for this info. 

 

Can you share link of the DC models? 

Wondering how much the 20kw DC charger needs from AC? 

And if a 3phase 11 or 22kw AC charger might be better. Thinking for a future plans...the 3P charger are much cheaper however most accessible cars are up to 11 kw AC Charging only. 

 

Besides it's not everywhere that you can have 400v lines. Has to be commercial isn't?

 

At the bottom is the link requested. The link is to iGreen+ which is one of many lesser-known (but fast growing) EV charging networks/companies in Thailand.   They basically sell/install/provide operating & billing capability for DC and AC chargers to anyone that wants to install a certain type of EV charger....like condo buildings, businesses, hospitals, sports fields, restaurants, smaller fuel stations, shopping malls....pretty much anyone that wants an EV charger for use  (primarily paid use...that is, make money from EV charging) by customers, condo/hotel residents, etc.   But they will install for person use if desired....but you'll pay a premium price for that professional install and their quality charger.

 

"Many" such companies other than just iGreen+....other companies like OneCharge, Power Envision, Plux, Galvanic, Gentari Go, Kapacitor, Espro, Ample Energy, etc....etc....etc....just google those company names to find their websites, etc....and everyone of those charging network companies have a charging network app on Google Play/Apple Store and/or a LINE app in order to use their network. 

 

But once again, even if you don't signup to use their charging app/network they will still install a charger for you.    Many of the apps will show their charger locations without registering or if app registration is required to see locations by going to the network's "website" they will often show charger locations on the website.  And you will see most of the chargers of these small charging networks are 7KW-22KW "AC" chargers and/or low power DC chargers like 20-40KW DC chargers located in condo buildings, small businesses, malls, etc.   However, you will also see some of the companies also have some big DC chargers like 120KW and above as that is what some businesses want. 

 

These smaller networks are concentrating on locations and the type of chargers they sell on those locations where big, higher power DC chargers are not needed or can not be installed economically because of the high power "input" requirements.   Installing high power DC chargers like 120KW and above ain't cheap...and often requires a dedicate power line transformer, control/breaker cabinet, underground wiring, etc....ain't cheap. 

 

But lower power DC chargers like 20-40KW are much cheaper to install and may just be the right size (KW-wise) to service a customer who just wants to quickly top-up their EV battery while shopping for a hour or so or at their condo building the residents are limited to a max charging window of 1 or 2 hours especially when the person's EV onboard AC charger can only charge at 7KW which is typically for many EVs...."but hook up to a DC charger" and that same EV's charge rate is not limited by its onboard "AC" charger and can now charge at a much higher rate.    Like on my BYD Atto EV....it only has a 7KW AC onboard charger (like most EVs) but if I hook up to a DC charger can charge up to a 88KW rate for a lot of the charge cycle, 58KW for some of the charge cycle, and at no less than 32KW for the rest of the charge cycle (i.e., it's a battery charge curve thingie). 

 

As a real world example of what a business may want in terms of a DC charger I primarily go to one of three Foodland's here in the Bangkok area for most of my groceries shopping....these Foodland's are not on a major highway....just located in town servicing local residents.   One of those Foodland's  has a one 30KW and two 40KW DC chargers (Power Envision charging network) installed in their parking lot...the other Foodland located at at small mall complex has a couple of 120KW DC chargers along with couple of 22KW AC chargers (iGreen+ charging network)....and the third Foodland at a small mall has a 20KW DC charger installed (Kapacitor charging network)

 

Heck, have a 20, 30, 40KW DC charger installed in your home carport if desired "and if you have the necessary" AC input power like for a 20KW DC charger you would need a 3 phase system providing at least 32A per phase...which your local electric company like PEA/MEA would classify as a 3 phase 45A service.    

 

Now due to the high price of a DC charger like a 20-40KW DC charger in comparison to a much lower cost 7-22KW AC charger I expect 99.9% of people who just want a charger for their personal use at home they go with a 7-22KW AC charger.   And when going the AC charger route the great majority go with a 7KW charger usually because "most EVs" only have 7KW AC onboard charger capability.  Yes, some EVs have 11KW or 22KW AC onboard chargers but most EVs still come with just 7KW AC onboard charger capability.  A 11KW or 22KW AC charger requires 3 phase power input and most homes don't have 3 phase service; the majority have 1 phase service.   

 

Plus, a 7KW AC charger is all most people need for home use....even if they put hundreds and hundreds of kilometers on the EV everyday and almost "completely discharge" their EV battery to 0%, by charging the EV overnight (around 8 to 12 hrs) their EV battery would completely recharge from 0 to 100% overnight.  However, most people probably average less than 50km on their EV daily...probably only use 10-25% of battery charge per day which means a 7KW AC charger would top-up them back up to 100% charge within 1 to 3 hours if they wanted to top-up daily.  Yeap, a 7KW AC charger is all most people need at their residence when they are the only one using the charger.  And just to mention again, most EVs still only come with 7KW AC onboard charging capability...more are starting to show up with 11KW capability, and typically the premium/pricey EVs can come with 22KW AC capability.   

 

Now many 11KW and 22KW AC chargers you can buy can be setup to operate with only 1 phase service but typically if you operate a 11KW AC charger on a 1 phase electrical service it will only charge your EV at 3.6KW rate and a 22KW would only charge at around 7KW max rate unless that 11/22KW AC charger has been designed to be able to operate in a pure 7KW charging mode. Installing a 11KW or 22KW AC charger on a 1 (single) phase electrical service is a waste of money "if you were expecting to get 11 or 22KW charging capability".....to get full charging capability from a 11 or 22KW AC charger the charger needs 3 phase input power.

 

In closing and for those new to the EV charging world, although we use the word "charger" when talking AC 7-22KW wall chargers they are "not" really chargers; instead, they are really only fancy, safety equipment to monitor and be involved in the charging process...they let the AC voltage flow straight through to the EV....technically they are called "EV Supple Equipment (EVSE)."   An EV battery is charged by using DC voltage, repeat DC voltage...not AC voltage.   These 7-22KW EVSE devices do not convert/rectify AC to DC voltage but the EV's "onboard charger" is where the AC to rectified to DC that is used to charge the battery.  Now when using a DC charger the EV's onboard charger is not used as the external DC charger is providing the required DC voltage straight to the battery.

 

 

https://igreenplus.co.th/#suop--ele___block-blog-3-6

1 hour ago, brfsa2 said:

thanks, I checked I will likely install the 3P 22kW, and I like ABB. but right now I'm on a single phase old house with limited Current and it will be another 6 months to 1 year before I can apply for 3P. heck, my voltage even drops to nearly 200V when I'm charging at 15A. nominal is barely 220v. 

How much are you looking to sell your ABB charger? you can DM me if you prefer.

 

The ABB charger is also adjustable on charge power, I have mine set to 24amps by default unless it’s a completely cloudless sky.

 

I have the same problem as you, 3.6Kw (16 amps) drops my voltage to 200v, I have a 15KVA Automatic Voltage Regulator for the whole house including the EV Charger. I have a spare one of those too.

 

I was going to offer my ABB Charger that come with free install to whoever buys my car for 30k, would that be of interest to you?

36 minutes ago, JBChiangRai said:

The ABB charger is also adjustable on charge power, I have mine set to 24amps by default unless it’s a completely cloudless sky.

 

I have the same problem as you, 3.6Kw (16 amps) drops my voltage to 200v, I have a 15KVA Automatic Voltage Regulator for the whole house including the EV Charger. I have a spare one of those too.

 

I was going to offer my ABB Charger that come with free install to whoever buys my car for 30k, would that be of interest to you?

Interesting, thanks for the info. Which car are you selling ? you should certainly not give it for free with your car sale. 

I already have 2 7.2kW chargers (MG and BYD) but I cant even use them. I wanted a 22kw for my next car. Also I dont see many EV car under 2m Baht with 22kW AC charging capability. The Zeekr 7x does support thou. 

 

If your line is dropping to 200V could be two things (I suffer from both!)

1.  Your main line is not sufficient.

2. The grid is not sufficient at your location.

 

My bangkok house has an impressive setup, I get 235V 24/7 and when charging at 32A, voltage drops to 230v only!

I have 35sqmm copper wires to the main, and the main MEA Step down Transformer is only 2 house away.

 

Since I left Bangkok, my country side house is has both problems.

1. The main is weak: it's 25sqmm aluminum, 100m long. I can change to 35sqmm copper but I dont think it will matter much given my next issue:

2. The Grid is super weak, single phase and I'm at the end of the line. (PEA said they will upgrade the grid here within 1 year, they already upgraded to 3P other parts of the town. 

 

still doesnt stop me, I charge with 2.0kW charger (10A) and draining 45% of the BYD Daily. 55,000km/year

 

What's your grid setup?

We have a weak grid. I have copper wires from the meter about 120m and aluminum PEA wires to the tiny transformer 700m away. I get very little voltage drop on my copper wires. I have 22Kw of grid-tied solar here (no export).

 

I have had a Seal with the ABB charger installed for 2 years.

 

I have another Seal with (superfluous) ABB charger + installation due sometime in the next month.

 

It's the new charger + BYD free installation I’m selling.

3 hours ago, brfsa2 said:

 

I already have 2 7.2kW chargers (MG and BYD) but I cant even use them. I wanted a 22kw for my next car. Also I dont see many EV car under 2m Baht with 22kW AC charging capability. The Zeekr 7x does support thou. 

 

 

If your BYD charger is an ABB type, then it is already capable of 22Kw, just wire up the 2 missing phases.

It looks like the price-war 2025 is getting started way before the Autoshow  - color me intrigued, it could be a bloodbath:  

 

Here is a shot into the void by Deepal (although I don't see how this could work for them against the BYD SL7 base model)

40 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

It looks like the price-war 2025 is getting started way before the Autoshow  - color me intrigued, it could be a bloodbath:  

 

Here is a shot into the void by Deepal (although I don't see how this could work for them against the BYD SL7 base model)

 

Now I'm going to guess there will "not" be a further price cut for the Deepal New S07 model during the motor show or before end of year.

 

However, for other Changan models who knows.

 

Changan models

https://www.changan.co.th/th/deepal/s07-th/

1 hour ago, mistral53 said:

It looks like the price-war 2025 is getting started way before the Autoshow  - color me intrigued, it could be a bloodbath:  

 

Here is a shot into the void by Deepal (although I don't see how this could work for them against the BYD SL7 base model)

Changes to Deepal S07 (MY2025):

Battery replacement from NMC 66.8 kWh to LFP 68.8 kWh

Upgraded to support DC 3C Technology charging from 87 to 163 kW.

Change the suspension and adjust it to reduce sway and improve road grip.

Change the front bumper to the same color as the car.

Change the lower side edges to the same color as the car body.

Change the lower rear bumper to a new design.

Replace the 3rd brake light on the roof with a new design.

Change to 20-inch alloy wheels, new design

Cancel exterior body color Cosmic Yellow

 

Adjust the vehicle warranty from 8 years/160,000 km. to 5 years/120,000 km.

 

Battery warranty has been adjusted from 8 years/240,000 km to 8 years/160,000 km.

 

The price is 300,000 baht cheaper than before.

17 minutes ago, matchar said:

Changes to Deepal S07 (MY2025):

Battery replacement from NMC 66.8 kWh to LFP 68.8 kWh

Upgraded to support DC 3C Technology charging from 87 to 163 kW.

Change the suspension and adjust it to reduce sway and improve road grip.

Change the front bumper to the same color as the car.

Change the lower side edges to the same color as the car body.

Change the lower rear bumper to a new design.

Replace the 3rd brake light on the roof with a new design.

Change to 20-inch alloy wheels, new design

Cancel exterior body color Cosmic Yellow

 

Adjust the vehicle warranty from 8 years/160,000 km. to 5 years/120,000 km.

 

Battery warranty has been adjusted from 8 years/240,000 km to 8 years/160,000 km.

 

The price is 300,000 baht cheaper than before.

 

Regarding the warranty period, AI says it varies by country/region with Thailand being one of the countries with a lower/shorter warranty period on vehicle and battery.   So, has there really been a warranty change (reduction) for Thailand or it's still the same but just happens to be lower/shorter compared to some other countries?

 

 

1 hour ago, Pib said:

 

Regarding the warranty period, AI says it varies by country/region with Thailand being one of the countries with a lower/shorter warranty period on vehicle and battery.   So, has there really been a warranty change (reduction) for Thailand or it's still the same but just happens to be lower/shorter compared to some other countries?

 

 

Yes they have reduced it...AI overview is typically wrong. This old article confirms it used to be an 8 year vehicle warranty and 240,000 km battery warranty.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/campaign-changan-deepal-s07-nov-2024/

 

Strange that they seem less confident in their newer LFP battery than the old NMC one...

4 hours ago, matchar said:

Yes they have reduced it...AI overview is typically wrong. This old article confirms it used to be an 8 year vehicle warranty and 240,000 km battery warranty.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/campaign-changan-deepal-s07-nov-2024/

 

Strange that they seem less confident in their newer LFP battery than the old NMC one...

different battery brands and technology

66.8 kWh NMC CALB

68.8 kWh LFP CATL

CALB vs CATL: Can Two Battery Pigs Both Fly?

https://interconnected.blog/calb-vs-catl-can-two-battery-pigs-both-fly/

It's interesting how most car brands in Thailand only guarantee their batteries for 160,000 km.

 

Modern batteries are supposed to last for 500,000+ km but it seems like only MG are willing to put their money where their mouth is (and they use CATL batteries).

 

But nobody knows yet how MG will honour their "lifetime" warranty if the battery craps out after 9 years.

 

How do they define the "lifetime" of an EV?

10 hours ago, matchar said:

Yes they have reduced it...AI overview is typically wrong. This old article confirms it used to be an 8 year vehicle warranty and 240,000 km battery warranty.

 

https://autolifethailand.tv/campaign-changan-deepal-s07-nov-2024/

 

Strange that they seem less confident in their newer LFP battery than the old NMC one...

Yeap....not uncommon for AI to be wrong from a little bit to a whole lot.  But in this case where I asked it about Changan EV battery/vehicle warranty in Thailand it was correct where it said the battery warranty was 8 yrs/160K kilometers and also discussed how the warranty varies by region/country like some countries the battery mileage warranty is for 240k km vs 160k km.

 

However the AI summary didn't go into further details of it being reduced over the last year....seems it was just answering based on current vs past warranty for Thailand.    That's why I asked the question is 8yrs/160K km a warranty reduction or is it just the standard Changan battery warranty for Thailand.    That autolife link you provided does support the warranty for Thailand (at least for the S07 model) was longer last year model.

 

My "guess" the reason for change for the vehicle/battery warranty coverage is not due to a different battery types but Changan probably just offering a higher/longer warranty period while it was getting its "foot in the Thailand door" over the last few years.  But now that it has established itself it's just falling inline with what most other major EV brands offer warranty-wise for Thailand.   

 

And what would concern me more if a potential Changan buyer is the reduction in mileage for the "vehicle" warranty....that is, down to 5 years/120k km vs the earlier 8 yrs/160k km.  That's a big change....makes me wonder about the quality of the "non-battery" parts of the vehicle.  

 

 Yea...my guess is the previous Changan higher/longer warranty was a "getting their foot firmly in the Thailand door market strategy thingie" vs due to change in battery type/quality/etc., or overall quality of the Changan EV.  

1 hour ago, matchar said:

It's interesting how most car brands in Thailand only guarantee their batteries for 160,000 km.

 

Modern batteries are supposed to last for 500,000+ km but it seems like only MG are willing to put their money where their mouth is (and they use CATL batteries).

 

But nobody knows yet how MG will honour their "lifetime" warranty if the battery craps out after 9 years.

 

How do they define the "lifetime" of an EV?

 

Yea....I sure would like to see the complete, actual lifetime warranty for Thailand....see what the fine print/conditions actually say.   But to this day I've never seen it published anywhere on the internet.  It's probably out there in the cloud somewhere but I just haven't found it.

 

The lifetime warranty started off by only covering four MG models....now it's up to 6 models.

 

https://www.mgcars.com/th/mg-lifetime-warranty

41 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

Yea....I sure would like to see the complete, actual lifetime warranty for Thailand....see what the fine print/conditions actually say.   But to this day I've never seen it published anywhere on the internet.  It's probably out there in the cloud somewhere but I just haven't found it.

 

The lifetime warranty started off by only covering four MG models....now it's up to 6 models.

 

https://www.mgcars.com/th/mg-lifetime-warranty

 

To add for the lazy EV haters ...

... you can stop asking the same silly questions ... PLEASE

 

 

 

 

 

 

On 10/19/2025 at 7:39 PM, Pib said:

PTT 180KW Charger...seem to be slowly replacing PTT 120KW chargers.

 

Instead of replacing the 120kw chargers they should install them additionally. 

 

Even though there are usually a lot of PTT and other gas stations with chargers within a short distance it's annoying that there are normally just two DC charger heads sharing the power of the charge point.

So in many cases the 120kw are only worth 60kw when another is charging at the same time. 

 

That's why I really wish that they had bigger charging parks like in the EU with 6, 8, 10, or 12 chargers. 

 

I know that there are a few from Spark and PTT called EV-Hub but it isn't enough in my opinion considering the popularity of EVs. 

 

Some weeks ago I went on a road trip from Pattaya to Kamphaeng Phet to visit my girlfriend's family.

 

I decided  to charge near Nakhon Sawan (Asian Highway connecting south to north) but had to pass three gas stations (including two U-turns) until I found a charger that was available. 

Due to the limitation of the charger mentioned above I was only able to change with 60kWh. 

 

We had lunch so it wasn't too bad but it still felt a bit like an inconvenience. 

 

I hope that they will continue investing in the infrastructure so that cars with higher charging speeds actually make sense. Right now I'm not sure if it's worth buying something like an Xpeng G6 with 451kWh peak because there are hardly any charger that support these speeds. 

1 minute ago, KhunLA said:

 

To add for the lazy EV haters ...

... you can stop asking the same silly questions ... PLEASE

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's not the level of detail with detailed terms and conditions I'm talking about....above is just a high level summary.   

 

For the last 15 minutes I've been googling trying to find a detailed warranty that states all the terms and conditions for the Thailand warranty.  But MG Thailand does not seem to provide a public and detailed version....it's just summary type stuff like above.  Now maybe registered MG owners have access to detailed terms and conditions.

 

I've run across some details at some non-Thailand MG websites like MG Australia where they get more down into the nitty-gritty of warranty details/terms/conditions  but of course this is not talking the Thailand Lifetime Warranty.   

 

Just wish there was a detailed version of the MG Thailand warranty on the internet somewhere.

 

 

56 minutes ago, idealistic123 said:

I hope that they will continue investing in the infrastructure so that cars with higher charging speeds actually make sense. Right now I'm not sure if it's worth buying something like an Xpeng G6 with 451kWh peak because there are hardly any charger that support these speeds. 

Yea...for me, when I buy my next EV a larger battery (i.e., higher range) will carry significantly more weight in my buying decision over how fast it can charge.   Now I rarely need to do a charge while on a road trip as my road trips so far have been limited to around a 200km radius/400Km round trip.   My Atto has a real world range in the 400 to 440km range....around 400km during the hot season...and 420-440Km during the cool season.....keeping the EV in ECO mode and doing 90KmH max speed.  But when on  say approx a 400Km roundtrip  I will play it safe and top-up by 30 to 50% during a feed-my-face/restroom stop.  For me while on a long trip I don't want my SOC to drop below approx 25% unless it's the final part of the trip where I'm almost back home.   

 

Funny you should mention Nakhon Sawan as around a year ago during a long holiday weekend the wife and  I did a trip to Takhli from Bangkok....the roundtrip was going to be around 410km.   Takhli is just before getting to Nakhon Sawan and I wanted to top-up along the way....and I too found it a little hard to find a available/not in use DC charger.  When I got to the DC charger both charging connectors were in use....I did find an available charger at my 3rd charger stop.  Just one of those parts of the country and circumstances (lots of travelers on that day)  where more chargers would be nice.   

 

But back to the battery size and charge rate issue.  For me if one EV model had a 60KWH battery and could charge at 300KW peak and the same EV model offered (at the same price) another option of a 80KWH battery but could only charge at 150KW peak I would go with the 80KWH battery option over the 60KWH battery option because higher range carries more weight with me compared to high charging rate considering what typical DC chargers are available and also because every EV battery will have a peak/maximum charge rate that only covers "part of its SOC charging curve." But for a lot of the battery's charging curve its charge rate is going to be a lot less than its peak/max rate.   

 

18 minutes ago, Pib said:

 

That's not the level of detail with detailed terms and conditions I'm talking about....above is just a high level summary.   

 

For the last 15 minutes I've been googling trying to find a detailed warranty that states all the terms and conditions for the Thailand warranty.  But MG Thailand does not seem to provide a public and detailed version....it's just summary type stuff like above.  Now maybe registered MG owners have access to detailed terms and conditions.

 

I've run across some details at some non-Thailand MG websites like MG Australia where they get more down into the nitty-gritty of warranty details/terms/conditions  but of course this is not talking the Thailand Lifetime Warranty.   

 

Just wish there was a detailed version of the MG Thailand warranty on the internet somewhere.

The most we've put on our ZS BEV is 20k kms in the first year, and half of that was O&A during scamdemic.   Even the local kms. half of those were exploring 50+ kms away from home, and possibly a 200-250 kms day.  No CS needed

 

Mandatory driving locally is pretty minimal, as everything needed is <10 kms away, with no work or school commute.   3 yrs now, and still only average just over 17k kms a year, just breaking 51k kms, and 10 days to go, for 3 yrs owning.

 

Unless folks have a long 'school' commute, as we did, when living in Udon Thani (70 kms a day), then doubt if most will be racking up 20k kms a year.   Which was our average when owning 4 previous ICEV.   Mostly due to living out of town, and school commute.   Then last ICEV owned was after daughter graduated school, and O&A more, again, during scamdemic.

1 hour ago, idealistic123 said:

Instead of replacing the 120kw chargers they should install them additionally. 

 

I hope that they will continue investing in the infrastructure so that cars with higher charging speeds actually make sense. Right now I'm not sure if it's worth buying something like an Xpeng G6 with 451kWh peak because there are hardly any charger that support these speeds. 

 

Agree with adding instead of replacing.   Higher V/speed, then not interested in providing that many more, as realistically, I don't think needed, as cars will only accept so much.  Most Thai won't be spending big baht for the higher end BEV, as I think we buy them for the saving, not the show.

 

Also ... ME ME ME ... as those will surely increase their overhead, and I'm not interested in paying more than the < 8 THB for using CS, as enjoy the savings over travelling via petrol use.   I still can finish my munch, dog walk & P, before the car is done charging back up to 95%

1 hour ago, idealistic123 said:

 

Instead of replacing the 120kw chargers they should install them additionally. 

 

Even though there are usually a lot of PTT and other gas stations with chargers within a short distance it's annoying that there are normally just two DC charger heads sharing the power of the charge point.

So in many cases the 120kw are only worth 60kw when another is charging at the same time. 

 

That's why I really wish that they had bigger charging parks like in the EU with 6, 8, 10, or 12 chargers. 

 

I know that there are a few from Spark and PTT called EV-Hub but it isn't enough in my opinion considering the popularity of EVs. 

 

Some weeks ago I went on a road trip from Pattaya to Kamphaeng Phet to visit my girlfriend's family.

 

I decided  to charge near Nakhon Sawan (Asian Highway connecting south to north) but had to pass three gas stations (including two U-turns) until I found a charger that was available. 

Due to the limitation of the charger mentioned above I was only able to change with 60kWh. 

 

We had lunch so it wasn't too bad but it still felt a bit like an inconvenience. 

 

I hope that they will continue investing in the infrastructure so that cars with higher charging speeds actually make sense. Right now I'm not sure if it's worth buying something like an Xpeng G6 with 451kWh peak because there are hardly any charger that support these speeds. 

I regularly travel on the Asian Highway from Ayutthaya to the mil’s at Northwest of Nakhon Sawan . A 410 km round trip but occasionally will take the old lady out for some sightseeing and lunch meaning the round trip will be more like 450/460 km. In which case usually stop at one of PTT ( EV station Pluz ) or Bangchak ( PEA Volta ) pumps to add 10 or 20 % battery.

I have a TOU meter and most of my charging takes advantage of its 3 baht/kWh tariff.

 

After registering for Spark charging app and getting the complimentary 300 baht voucher i thought I would take advantage of a bit of free charging !!

Normally use the bypass but can drive through Nakhon Sawan also ( the difference is a couple of km’s but the bypass avoids the downtown traffic lights ! ).

So, the Spark charger is located right in the back of a  Bangchak pump on the main road on the north side of Nakhon Sawan City going southbound.

300 baht got me 38 kw at some good speed, peaking at 149 kWh, my fastest yet  !!, but taking 25 minutes.

 

Great to have some faster speeds available but tbh I only DC charge for a little top up or on a road trip ( twice a year ). Would prefer to see more chargers available rather than being replaced by faster.

Of course some might argue that faster charging will make for more availability but not if the car is restricting the charging speed !!

 

At the moment not many EV’s available here with charging > 200 kWh , i think the majority, currently would be happier seeing more chargers in place.

1 hour ago, Pib said:

Yea...for me, when I buy my next EV a larger battery (i.e., higher range) will carry significantly more weight in my buying decision over how fast it can charge. 

same here, the IM6 with that 100kWh battery on lifetime warranty is a beast, even it's NMC.

however I also read that the EV cars that DC charge at higher rates also carry better copper wires and electronics, for example, atto3 max is 88kw, charging at 80kW all could have copper losses as it's very close to the maximum, but a car that supports 250kw, have a much more robust electrical architecture overall, less copper losses...  so charging at 80-120kw a modern 800V car capable of 250KW will be a breeze and not overheat/overload it.

 

for me doesnt matter, just pointing that out. I'm on 2-7kw for a long time, maybe I will get a 22kW charger if 3Phase is available for me.

 

2 hours ago, Pib said:

 

That's not the level of detail with detailed terms and conditions I'm talking about....above is just a high level summary.   

 

For the last 15 minutes I've been googling trying to find a detailed warranty that states all the terms and conditions for the Thailand warranty.  But MG Thailand does not seem to provide a public and detailed version....it's just summary type stuff like above.  Now maybe registered MG owners have access to detailed terms and conditions.

 

I've run across some details at some non-Thailand MG websites like MG Australia where they get more down into the nitty-gritty of warranty details/terms/conditions  but of course this is not talking the Thailand Lifetime Warranty.   

 

Just wish there was a detailed version of the MG Thailand warranty on the internet somewhere.

 

 

 

A while back we attempted to obtain MG lifetime warranty conditions direct from MG for a family member but was told they were not available in written detail for public viewing.

I am quite confident that if there are detailed warranty conditions documents available online to the public, one of the AI data sets would be holding them. 

 

When questioned about the warranty fine print, multiple AI data set searches returns the following info :-

• Warranty claim procedures for the lifetime warranty given to MG dealers are not publicly detailed in any sources available online. 
• The warranty requires the battery capacity not to drop below 70% of the original value and if it does the battery segment below this threshold will be repaired or replaced.
• The vehicle must be registered as a private‑use car and not used in commercial operations to qualify. 
• The warranty is for the components since the date the vehicle was sold new (first invoiced) to the customer until the time the vehicle is no longer usable or officially deregistered. 
• You must use genuine parts and the maintenance must be done at an authorised MG service centre in Thailand. 
• You must follow the maintenance schedule and have the service done by authorised service centres. Failing to do so may void the warranty. 
• If the car is modified or non‑standard parts used or suffers damage from accident then the warranty can be voided. 
• If you don’t follow the service intervals or send the car to an authorised centre you may lose the right to the lifetime warranty. 

 

In summary, the MG lifetime battery warranty is not just vague advertising, it is a specific warranty with clear conditions about authorized servicing, capacity thresholds, exclusions for misuse, and proper maintenance documentation. 

However, it is also not an unconditional lifetime guarantee without limits or conditions. It is designed to offer confidence in battery longevity while protecting MG from claims due to improper care or external damage factors.

 

12 minutes ago, brfsa2 said:

same here, the IM6 with that 100kWh battery on lifetime warranty is a beast, even it's NMC.

however I also read that the EV cars that DC charge at higher rates also carry better copper wires and electronics, for example, atto3 max is 88kw, charging at 80kW all could have copper losses as it's very close to the maximum, but a car that supports 250kw, have a much more robust electrical architecture overall, less copper losses...  so charging at 80-120kw a modern 800V car capable of 250KW will be a breeze and not overheat/overload it.

 

for me doesnt matter, just pointing that out. I'm on 2-7kw for a long time, maybe I will get a 22kW charger if 3Phase is available for me.

 

When wife took the ZS in for 50k kms peek, she couldn't stop yakking about the IM6 for a few days, as really impressed with it.

 

"UP2U honey, if you want to spend 1.6M out of your retirement fund, that will do nothing but depreciate every year, when you have the ZS,  which you'll have a hard time killing and will probably outlast you.  How many kms you going to drive after I die"

 

Everything is <10 kms away, and I'm the driving force for O&A.   Me dead, she  might put 100 kms a week on a car.

 

Her rebuttal ... "Need to buy & sell more land, then the IM6 is free"   

 

GOD I LOVE HER  .... cute and intelligent  😎

10 minutes ago, Fruit Trader said:

 

A while back we attempted to obtain MG lifetime warranty conditions direct from MG for a family member but was told they were not available in written detail for public viewing.

I am quite confident that if there are detailed warranty conditions documents available online to the public, one of the AI data sets would be holding them. 

 

When questioned about the warranty fine print, multiple AI data set searches returns the following info :-

• Warranty claim procedures for the lifetime warranty given to MG dealers are not publicly detailed in any sources available online. 
• The warranty requires the battery capacity not to drop below 70% of the original value and if it does the battery segment below this threshold will be repaired or replaced.
• The vehicle must be registered as a private‑use car and not used in commercial operations to qualify. 
• The warranty is for the components since the date the vehicle was sold new (first invoiced) to the customer until the time the vehicle is no longer usable or officially deregistered. 
• You must use genuine parts and the maintenance must be done at an authorised MG service centre in Thailand. 
• You must follow the maintenance schedule and have the service done by authorised service centres. Failing to do so may void the warranty. 
• If the car is modified or non‑standard parts used or suffers damage from accident then the warranty can be voided. 
• If you don’t follow the service intervals or send the car to an authorised centre you may lose the right to the lifetime warranty. 

 

In summary, the MG lifetime battery warranty is not just vague advertising, it is a specific warranty with clear conditions about authorized servicing, capacity thresholds, exclusions for misuse, and proper maintenance documentation. 

However, it is also not an unconditional lifetime guarantee without limits or conditions. It is designed to offer confidence in battery longevity while protecting MG from claims due to improper care or external damage factors.

 

I've never owned a vehicle for more than the standard MG / 8 yr battery warranty, and don't know anyone that has owned a vehicle more than 7 yrs, let alone more than 10-15-20 yrs.   So yea, it gives people the confidence that they'll have no battery worries if buying those MG models.

 

Of course there will be the exception, if I live 7 more years, may own our ZS for 10+ years, as I have no intentions of selling, ever, as at that point it would be better value added to the solar system 

 

Also by that time, hopefully much sooner, they'll offer an affordable truck 😁

 

My longest vehicle ownership has been here in TH, 7 years, 3 ICEV, and glad to get rid of them at that point.