What is and isn’t allowed as Thailand legalizes pot

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Bud and flowers are extract mate. 

100% incorrect.

 

https://lagunatreatment.com/drug-abuse/marijuana/buds-versus-extract/

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

Just now, Bert got kinky said:

 

When everyone is out of step except for you?????????????

 

*yawn*

 

1 minute ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

That info is current.

No it is not.

Go and do some research and stop talking rubbish.

 

Yes it is current.

 

I have posted plenty of stuff here in this thread. You have posted nothing of value. 

[Misterwhisper]

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

So is hash an exract? I would think it 'maybe' or 'maybe' it isn't. Are heads considered an extract? It would seem not but who knows. From the BP story it will be illegal to cook using buds. This is truly insane. Dope is good for asthma but is obviously much better if not inhaling the smoke. What about dope tea? Bhang lassi? (fantastic drink with a very long lasting effect) but is blending a drink considered cooking? Not in my book. Once again a well thought through policy by a bunch of empty headed amateurs. I do notice above though that businesses will be able to produce food.

The rules are actually quite simple: ANY part of the cannabis plant (including the buds) that contains more than 0.2% THC (tetrahydrocannabinol) is still ILLEGAL. ONLY cannabis plant parts with 0.2% or less of THC have been legalized.

 

I do understand your confusion, though. All these "journalists" out there CONSTANTLY get it wrong. It goes to show how sub-standard journalism has become today. Nobody seems to be bothered to fact-check information anymore.

 

Cannabis is NOT marijuana. "Cannabis" is the scientific term for the actual plant that colloquially also is referred to as "hemp". The two main strains of hemp are Cannabis sativa and Cannabis indica -- though there are countless sub-strains with varying concentrations of THC, CBD and other compounds.

 

Marijuana on the other hand EXCLUSIVELY refers to the THC-rich *thus illegal!) buds and flowers of the cannabis plant.

 

Hashish basically is the sticky resin extracted from the cannabis plant, primarily the buds and flowers. THC is highly concentrated in that resin, hence hashish is even stronger than marijuana. And illegal.

 

CBD (cannabidiol), the cannabis plant's NON-psychoactive substance (as opposed to THC) can be found in all plant parts, though it likewise is more concentrated in the buds and flowers.  

[Bert got kinky]

Just now, Mr Meeseeks said:

*yawn*

 

Yes it is current.

 

I have posted plenty of stuff here in this thread. You have posted nothing of value. 

 

The article was published 14 May 2022.

The information was incorrect and outdated by 15 May 2022.

 

What makes you think that you know the situation better than nearly everyone on this board and the law makers who currently do not understand what it all means?

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

4 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Bud and flowers are extract mate. 

Not as per English language they are not. Oils and concentrates would be considered extracts, buds whether fresh or dry not.

 

 But 100% agree people will still get busted for weed. Just saw a young tourist stopped by police a few days ago. Searched his pocket found a tiny baggy of weed. He protested saying but its legal now. Police gave him a nasty threat which would change the guys life and nowhere was this a punishment by law or on any law book here, or go together to atm and pay 50k baht, sign a contract in Thai, and go free for now, but cause any trouble or complain about what just happened and the previous threat would come into play.

 Poor lad was snookered. He paid.

[Bert got kinky]

4 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

*yawn*

 

Yes it is current.

 

I have posted plenty of stuff here in this thread. You have posted nothing of value. 

I have posted plenty of stuff here in this thread. You have posted nothing of value. 

I'm not the one using outdated information and kidding myself that I understand this situation.

 

 

[CraigInBangkok]

13 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

Bud and flowers are extract mate. 

no they are not

[shdmn]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Starting to get very annoying that no official spells out in capital letters exactly what is an extract. Makes a complete mockery of what should be a monumental day for Thailand.

Just about anything.  As long as it does not contains more than 0.2% THC.  That means nothing anyone wanting to get high would be interested in.

Edited June 9, 2022 by shdmn

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 minute ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not as per English language they are not. Oils and concentrates would be considered extracts, buds whether fresh or dry not.

 

 But 100% agree people will still get busted for weed. Just saw a young tourist stopped by police a few days ago. Searched his pocket found a tiny baggy of weed. He protested saying but its legal now. Police gave him a nasty threat which would change the guys life and nowhere was this a punishment by law or on any law book here, or go together to atm and pay 50k baht, sign a contract in Thai, and go free for now, but cause any trouble or complain about what just happened and the previous threat would come into play.

 Poor lad was snookered. He paid.

Yup.

 

There's a reason that buds and flowers were previously kept on the class 5 narcotics list when all this started in 2019. 

 

Now they are removed but the 0.2% THB extract rule and the PM's statement that they need to control buds and flowers make it clear what the intention is.

 

Plenty of leeway for the Thai Police to extort young and 'confused' recreational users as you have already highlighted. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

2 minutes ago, CraigInBangkok said:

no they are not

I think the Thais consider that they are. 

[Mr Meeseeks]

2 minutes ago, shdmn said:

Just about anything.  As long as it does not contains more than 0.2% THC.  So that means nothing anyone wanting to get high would be interested in.

Agreed. 

[jacko45k]

54 minutes ago, Nickelbeer said:

It appears that anything that gets you high is still illegal. I did notice something about pot being taken off the “narcotics” list. Don’t know if that impacts sentencing or legality in any way, Comments?

 

What about Kratom? My Mrs just bought some at a Naklua market.

 

[CraigInBangkok]

11 minutes ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

I think the Thais consider that they are. 

Well two of the leading Thai pot activists are selling high THC flower from their shops from today. Pretty sure they are clear on the law

[JonnyF]

19 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 But 100% agree people will still get busted for weed. Just saw a young tourist stopped by police a few days ago. Searched his pocket found a tiny baggy of weed. He protested saying but its legal now.

In fairness, a few days ago it was still illegal so the police were correct and the tourist was wrong.

[SunnyinBangrak]

14 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

In fairness, a few days ago it was still illegal so the police were correct and the tourist was wrong.

Fair point Jonny!

[Thailand]

38 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not as per English language they are not. Oils and concentrates would be considered extracts, buds whether fresh or dry not.

 

 But 100% agree people will still get busted for weed. Just saw a young tourist stopped by police a few days ago. Searched his pocket found a tiny baggy of weed. He protested saying but its legal now. Police gave him a nasty threat which would change the guys life and nowhere was this a punishment by law or on any law book here, or go together to atm and pay 50k baht, sign a contract in Thai, and go free for now, but cause any trouble or complain about what just happened and the previous threat would come into play.

 Poor lad was snookered. He paid.

As you saw the whole incident would you be his witness if he went to court to sue the police for extortion?

[SunnyinBangrak]

13 minutes ago, Thailand said:

As you saw the whole incident would you be his witness if he went to court to sue the police for extortion?

More than that, I had it all recorded with audio on camera from several angles. I offered as you said as was so angry seeing it happen. Young lad was terrified of them returning and told me to mind my own business. There it ends.

[bobbin]

1 hour ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

It's a week old.

 

What are you confused about? The law is perfectly clear. 

 

Less than 0.2% THC content; stems, leaves, etc. used for medicinal and other purposes = legal.

 

More than 0.2% THC content including buds, flowers and products thereof used to get high are classified as narcotics = illegal.

No. you are incorrect. best you do some research...

 

No matter what K. Prayut said. He may be PM but he either does not understand or he's just wishfully thinking out loud and spreading misinformation.. like you and many others here.

[Thailand]

6 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

More than that, I had it all recorded with audio on camera from several angles. I offered as you said as was so angry seeing it happen. Young lad was terrified of them returning and told me to mind my own business. There it ends.

That recording is worth some big bucks to the right news outlet I would think?

[jacko45k]

2 minutes ago, Thailand said:

That recording is worth some big bucks to the right news outlet I would think?

Oops wrong thread.

Edited June 9, 2022 by jacko45k

[James105]

43 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

In fairness, a few days ago it was still illegal so the police were correct and the tourist was wrong.

I smoked a joint in a THC "Pharmacy + cafe" last week that I was able to order from a publicly available menu and its very clear from the outside what they are selling.    I don't quite know how tourists supposed to know it is illegal when they can buy this stuff "legally" from a shop?  I'm no expert in this stuff but I do indulge occasionally and what you can buy in this place is definitely the stuff that gets you high.

[bobbin]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not as per English language they are not. Oils and concentrates would be considered extracts, buds whether fresh or dry not.

 

 But 100% agree people will still get busted for weed. Just saw a young tourist stopped by police a few days ago. Searched his pocket found a tiny baggy of weed. He protested saying but its legal now. Police gave him a nasty threat which would change the guys life and nowhere was this a punishment by law or on any law book here, or go together to atm and pay 50k baht, sign a contract in Thai, and go free for now, but cause any trouble or complain about what just happened and the previous threat would come into play.

 Poor lad was snookered. He paid.

He was definitely "snookered".. He will have a very poor opinion of the police in Thailand when he realizes this..

 

Today the Government is releasing more than 4000 inmates and dismissing all charges currently before the courts.

[San Fran Dan]

It will be outta control and legalized , can’t fill

prisons with potheads 

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

It's a week old.

 

What are you confused about? The law is perfectly clear. 

 

Less than 0.2% THC content; stems, leaves, etc. used for medicinal and other purposes = legal.

 

More than 0.2% THC content including buds, flowers and products thereof used to get high are classified as narcotics = illegal.

Clear as mud to me, how the hell does anyone growing pot for personal use tell whether they are growing <0.2% or >0.2%? Will everyone have to buy a gas chromatograph as well?

[Puwa]

What it comes down to, for me anyway, is that Thailand is not really a nation of laws, but of men, to paraphrase John Adams. We live not under the rule of law, but the rule of lords. Whatever the law may say or not say, what matters most is who is in a position to wield it, and the extra-legal powers they possess. Traffic, murder, real estate, corruption, prostitution -- all areas addressed by law but not really governed by it. Therefore, caution and discretion are the way to go, rather than imagining how to win a contest of argument, interpretation, or evidence. 

[bobbin]

There is definitely a lack of understanding among much of the public..

 

A simple show and tell in the television and print media seems to be necessary.

 

Picture of glistening, sticky flower, 25% THC content. Legal

 

Picture of vape pen containing THC distillate. 25% THC content. Illegal. For now.

 

Canada took the same approach. Derivatives (extracts) only legalized 1 year after plant material legalized, allowing for time to get approved product available on the market.

[Bert got kinky]

3 minutes ago, bobbin said:

There is definitely a lack of understanding among much of the public..

 

A simple show and tell in the television and print media seems to be necessary.

 

Picture of glistening, sticky flower, 25% THC content. Legal

 

Picture of vape pen containing THC distillate. 25% THC content. Illegal. For now.

 

Canada took the same approach. Derivatives (extracts) only legalized 1 year after plant material legalized, allowing for time to get approved product available on the market.

I refuse to listen to you anymore.

The last time we conversed you wound me up so much that I knocked over my stash.

 

For anyone wishing to pay their respects to my stash, the cremation will be tonight after work and again tomorrow morning, as I'm getting ready for work. ????

 

 

 

[KannikaP]

2 hours ago, Misterwhisper said:

Hashish basically is the sticky resin extracted from the cannabis plant, primarily the buds and flowers. THC is highly concentrated in that resin, hence hashish is even stronger than marijuana. And illegal.

 

CBD (cannabidiol), the cannabis plant's NON-psychoactive substance (as opposed to THC) can be found in all plant parts, though it likewise is more concentrated in the buds and flowers.  

So how does someone get CBD from the buds & flowers and leave the nasty THC there.

[Bert got kinky]

1 minute ago, KannikaP said:

So how does someone get CBD from the buds & flowers and leave the nasty THC there.

 

I really have no idea on this but I am offering a service of collecting and safely disposing of any flowers that still have THC after the CBD has been extracted.

 

[GarryP]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Not as per English language they are not. Oils and concentrates would be considered extracts, buds whether fresh or dry not.

 

 But 100% agree people will still get busted for weed. Just saw a young tourist stopped by police a few days ago. Searched his pocket found a tiny baggy of weed. He protested saying but its legal now. Police gave him a nasty threat which would change the guys life and nowhere was this a punishment by law or on any law book here, or go together to atm and pay 50k baht, sign a contract in Thai, and go free for now, but cause any trouble or complain about what just happened and the previous threat would come into play.

 Poor lad was snookered. He paid.

Maybe it was illegal then but today what would happen? They are releasing more than 4,000 people convicted of charges relating to ganja today. Didn't they sell or smoke ganja that exceeded the current 0.25% limit? So why release them if it is still illegal now. 

 

It would seem that the potential penalty of 3 months imprisonment or 25K fine is because of public nuisance, not because you are smoking anything illegal. You would be fine to smoke at home provided the neighbours did not complain about the smell. 

 

The government and those who are supposed to enforce the law need to come out and be explicit as to what is and is not allowed. But don't hold your breath waiting. Have a joint and chill. Everything will become clearer, or at least you'll enjoy your afternoon.