Pattaya police reportedly aid man on Pattaya Beach who allegedly suffered health issues and a panic attack after smoking a joint

[KhunLA]

5 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

@KhunLAOut in the countryside, much of which is impoverished, this is going to be enormously popular because it will be virtually a cost free way to get high, as you can grow it pretty much anywhere. It will be especially attractive to young teens who do not have the resources to experiment with other drugs which require money.

NEWS FLASH ... it's always been available.  It's always been inexpensive.

 

Nothing has changed, except people are now paying way too much for it.

You think all these plants matured, got harvested overnight ?

One day illegal, next day legal and tons available the same day.

 

Take a look FB, they're selling this stuff by the kg.  Worker at our house build offered her a kg, since she got some kratom from him.  I'm going test that stuff out myself, the ganga, and may open a franchise ourselves.

[Bert got kinky]

18 minutes ago, Gecko123 said:

@KhunLAOut in the countryside, much of which is impoverished, this is going to be enormously popular because it will be virtually a cost free way to get high, because you can grow it pretty much anywhere. It will be especially attractive to young teens who do not have the resources to experiment with other drugs which require money.

Yabba is not expensive and is currently the drug of choice for youngsters in Isaarn.

I would much prefer that people were stimulated by ganja rather than 'out of their tree crazy' on Yabba.

 

You seem to have a hard on for smokers without any understanding of the drug (?) whatsoever.

Just the slightest research into ganja would tell you that there is absolutely no evidence that it is a gateway drug.

No more people turn to harder drugs after Ganja than those drinking alcohol or eating ice cream in Glasgow in the 80s.

In fact, if anything, it keeps kids away from other drugs.

 

Seriously, if you want to whinge about other people enjoying themselves, you really need to learn the subject matter rather than reeling off those reefer madness 'facts' of yours.

 

 

 

[coolcarer]

23 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

Yabba is not expensive and is currently the drug of choice for youngsters in Isaarn.

I would much prefer that people were stimulated by ganja rather than 'out of their tree crazy' on Yabba.

 

You seem to have a hard on for smokers without any understanding of the drug (?) whatsoever.

Just the slightest research into ganja would tell you that there is absolutely no evidence that it is a gateway drug.

No more people turn to harder drugs after Ganja than those drinking alcohol or eating ice cream in Glasgow in the 80s.

In fact, if anything, it keeps kids away from other drugs.

 

Seriously, if you want to whinge about other people enjoying themselves, you really need to learn the subject matter rather than reeling off those reefer madness 'facts' of yours.

 

 

 

He’ not whinging, he’s pointing out the negative effects that have not been planned for in the chaotic roll out. It’s not like the police even know, how is the general public supposed to. 
 

It’s a discussion forum.

[Bert got kinky]

4 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

He’ not whinging, he’s pointing out the negative effects that have not been planned for in the chaotic roll out. It’s not like the police even know, how is the general public supposed to. 
 

It’s a discussion forum.

No, he's whinging.

Furthermore, he's whinging about something that he knows nothing about, just his own clear prejudices.

 

 

[Bday Prang]

2 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

I'm surprised no one's considering the possibility that the weed has been adulterated to increase its potency or even sprayed with pesticide. It sounds like a lot of the production is going to be done cottage industry style. Quality control isn't a concern?

 

There's a few serious nut jobs on these cannabis threads. OK, we get it. You love smoking marijuana. Stop talking down to people: I doubt there's anybody on this forum who hasn't smoked marijuana. Your downplaying of traffic safety concerns and the impact marijuana is going to have on the personal development of Thais, especially the youth is irresponsible, exceedingly selfish, and if I may be frank, rather stupid and shortsighted. All you seem to care about is your ability to light up a spliff. You don't seem to give a rat's ass for the impact this is likely to have on road safety, and educational standards in Thailand.

 

Where are all the people who endlessly castigate Thais and the Thai police every time there's another horrific accident in the news? Where are all the critics of Thailand's educational system, who endlessly bash Thai teachers, lament the lack of critical thinking, and cluck their tongues at the latest report of Thai under performance in academic proficiency exams? It feels like there's a couldn't care less, not my 'plobrem' attitude, with zero concern, much less consideration about what impact this might be having on Thais. Just a hedonistic fixation on Thailand having become a place you can now light up a joint without fear of being arrested. It looks to me like some of you are just using Thailand.

Well for starters nobody is "adulterating" weed to increase its potency, where are the news reports of that ? why on earth would they? as its not what smokers want and would not be tolerated,  and as for pesticides they may well be used I guess  just like they are undoubtedly used on most of what you eat ! that is something we just have to live with unless you have got a solution , which I doubt, as your sort never have'

                         "Serious nut jobs talking down to people"  well you are certainly "serious" and you certainly seem to think its ok for yourself to talk down to people in your little rant, there are many people on this forum who have never been anywhere cannabis and haven't got a clue what they are talking about yet insist on spewing out rubbish, fuelled it would appear, by their fear of the unknown They actually seem to feed off each other, and its almost a pathetic competition to see who can come up with the scariest and / or most ridiculous fear mongering theories born out of pure ignorance

 As far as road safety is concerned the impact of cannabis will pale into significance compared to the impact of alcohol. two completely different substances which affect people in completely different ways. Speaking from personal experience throughout the last 40 years  I've driven 1,000,000s of miles over 3 continents with a spliff in my hand and have never been involved in or caused an accident  (guess I'm just lucky eh?)  But I haven't noticed any additional cannabis related carnage reported on the news and if there was, the media would be on it in a flash so its obviously not happening

               And then there's your "predictable concern " for the youth of Thailand and the effects cannabis will have on their development !  somewhere along the way , no doubt due to your simmering outrage you seem to have conveniently overlooked the fact that cannabis is not legally available to people under 20 years old (even though they can drink, marry, procreate, vote and indeed fight for their country when younger than that)   Or are you concerned that teachers might suddenly start turning up to work stoned? 

              Finally were are the people who continually castigate and criticise the Thais ? well I wondering that my self , and have come to the conclusion that they are currently too busy castigating  innocent and responsible cannabis users who for your information have been lighting up without worrying too much about being arrested And with regards to exam results etc , no it isn't my problem or yours for that matter and anyone who thinks they can  change things  has delusions of grandeur 

              I find the general tone of your little rant very condescending you seem to think that everybody other than yourself is unable to control themselves and the whole country is about to descend into your self imagined reefer madness scenario,

              Strangely I don't know one person who has decided to break a lifetimes abstinence and  partake of cannabis due to the relaxation of restrictions, how many do you know?   I'm not saying there aren't such people but they are in the minority there has not been and will not be the descent into Sodom and Gomorrah that you and your holier than thou buddies predict 

 

2 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

@Bert got kinky Just for the record, I was talking about you and @Bday Prang and maybe a couple of other in the above post. Your claims about Thailand having a centuries long culture of pot smoking are disingenuous. The potency of the marijuana which is now being introduced is far stronger than the brickweed you mentioned in another thread. Obviously, there is going to be a lot of unfamiliarity and experimentation with stronger varieties and people are going to find out the hard way that it can impair your ability to operate a motor vehicle. So please stop acting like this is totally harmless and anyone who has concerns is a throwback to 1950's style 'reefer madness' hysteria.

Another obsession of the prohibitionists seems to be their perception and obsession regarding the strength of cannabis and their unfounded belief that cannabis users will uncontrollably  crave stronger and stronger varieties. more absolute rubbish and again very condescending, One said on here that it is now 100 times stronger than "before" you really could not make it up.

  Presumably you enjoy a beer ?  do you continually crave whisky ? are you unavoidably drawn to Absinth or even Lao Khao? Have you found out the hard way....?

Peoples concerns are absolutely based on government funded propaganda and reefer madness hysteria as they have heard nothing else for nearly 100 years .Its actually impossible for the prohibitionists to base their fears on anything else  People seem to ignore the somewhat unspectacular relaxation of restrictions in the more forward looking countries Holland Canada etc where society has not descended into hell on earth as you are predicting here

You really need to stand down off your soap box and give people some credit for common sense and the ability to control themselves

 

1 hour ago, Gecko123 said:

 

There's so many other things to worry about besides marijuana. That's called making a relative argument while ignoring the issue at hand. Just because you apparently have been smoking pot in Thailand and know people who smoke pot doesn't make you an authority on traffic safety or academic development, two subject YOU appear to know very little about.

 

P.S. Let me know when you want to call a truce with the sad face emojis. ????

Yes there are plenty of things to worry about if indeed you are the worrying sort, the traffic safety concerns you have, will no doubt be addressed as I'm sure will your educational development worries, but it will be done by the Thais in a Thai style  which is something you don't seem to appreciate, but unfortunately for you, due to your location, it is something you  are going to have to accept

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, Bert got kinky said:

No, he's whinging.

 

Ok here is my opinion. It’s not been thought through in the slightest. What Regs are in place for driving, for age, for testing or is it just a free for all?

[Bert got kinky]

4 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Ok here is my opinion. It’s not been thought through in the slightest. What Regs are in place for driving, for age, for testing or is it just a free for all?

 

Seriously, are you not reading anything about what has been said???

It has quite clearly been stated who cannot buy Ganja in Thailand and age (no one under 20yo) was the first item on the lists.

Would you like for us to do your research for you?

 

[Bday Prang]

5 hours ago, John Drake said:

You do get it by drinking regularly

 

you" MAY" get it from drinking regularly. would be more accurate

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

Seriously, are you not reading anything about what has been said???

It has quite clearly been stated who cannot buy Ganja in Thailand and age (no one under 20yo) was the first item on the lists.

Would you like for us to do your research for you?

 

Ok, driving which is the biggie? How are the police going to enforce it when they fail to enforce so many other traffic offenses, are you ok with that or does it not concern you?

[Mr Meeseeks]

5 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

you" MAY" get it from drinking regularly. would be more accurate

I have two ambitions in life: one is to drink every pub dry, the other is to sleep with every woman on earth.

- Oliver Reed

[Bert got kinky]

1 minute ago, coolcarer said:

Ok, driving which is the biggie? How are the police going to enforce it when they fail to enforce so many other traffic offenses, are you ok with that or does it not concern you?

Again, read up & research,.

This matter is being dealt with at the moment and it is being set up.

there have been many press releases stating this.

 

As for my concerns about high drivers, has this been a problem in the past or was weed not available at all to anyone previous to the decriminalization, how did we manage before?

I would be more concerned with motorbikes coming towards me, against the flow of traffic and without headlights at 2am, far more dangerous.

 

Despite all of the Chicken Little's running around professing the doom of Thai civilization, the sky will still be in the same place tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

[Bday Prang]

32 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Ok here is my opinion. It’s not been thought through in the slightest. What Regs are in place for driving, for age, for testing or is it just a free for all?

Its spot on what the Thais say about us , well some of us    Farang think too much"

[coolcarer]

8 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

Again, read up & research,.

This matter is being dealt with at the moment and it is being set up.

there have been many press releases stating this.

 

As for my concerns about high drivers, has this been a problem in the past or was weed not available at all to anyone previous to the decriminalization, how did we manage before?

I would be more concerned with motorbikes coming towards me, against the flow of traffic and without headlights at 2am, far more dangerous.

 

Despite all of the Chicken Little's running around professing the doom of Thai civilization, the sky will still be in the same place tomorrow.

 

 

 

 

They are planning it now, after already making it legal, as I said a chaotic rollout

 

most Thai’s are worried about it they are also not whingers but because little to no information has been given till after the fact has people concerned.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40017068

[Bday Prang]

36 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Ok here is my opinion. It’s not been thought through in the slightest. What Regs are in place for driving, for age, for testing or is it just a free for all?

Some people will not be happy until they have turned this place into a copy of the miserable over-regulated places they used to live For the love of god chill out

[Bert got kinky]

2 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

They are planning it now, after already making it legal, as I said a chaotic rollout

 

most Thai’s are worried about it they are also not whingers but because little to no information has been given till after the fact has people concerned.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40017068

Again I ask you, has this been a problem in the past or was weed not available at all to anyone previous to the decriminalization, how did we manage before?

 

You seem to think that weed is new to Thais and Thailand and that the people smoking now weren't smoking last year.

 

[Bday Prang]

1 hour ago, Bert got kinky said:

No, he's whinging.

Furthermore, he's whinging about something that he knows nothing about, just his own clear prejudices.

 

 

Of course he's whinging  and he's getting on my nerves a bit too. I never realised what sheltered lives some people have lead. The level of ignorance on here is actually astounding. I didn't even know such people actually live here. how do some of these people manage to exist here. They wouldn't last long in the "impoverished countryside (not my words) where I live

Can you imagine it...

                         " Look TeeRak there's that young tearaway riding his motorcycle with no helmet, I'm going to have a strong word with his father and give him a piece of my mind "

                           "Oh please not again don't cause trouble TeeRak"   ...

                            ".No don't try to stop me standards must be maintained and if the father wont control him then I'll be speaking to the PhuYai Ban in the stongest terms "

                            "what do you mean he doesn't speak English, He jolly well has to, and whilst I'm there I'll be mentioning that young strumpet who has just a a child out of holy wedlock, absolutely disgraceful "   etc etc      hahahahaha !

[Bday Prang]

29 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

They are planning it now, after already making it legal, as I said a chaotic rollout

 

most Thai’s are worried about it they are also not whingers but because little to no information has been given till after the fact has people concerned.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40017068

Good job they don't get their (mis) information from this forum they would be terrified with "reefer madness"  by the way nobody pays any attention to "dusit polls"

[coolcarer]

14 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

Good job they don't get their (mis) information from this forum they would be terrified with "reefer madness"  by the way nobody pays any attention to "dusit polls"

The Thai’s that took the survey do but I agree it’s a good job they do not get info from this forum, Never seen such B.S in my life.

 

This is sensible however.

 

We legalised cannabis for medical use and for health," Mr Anutin said at Government House on Friday. Usage beyond this are inappropriate… and we need laws to control it," he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/thailand-issues-regulations-on-cannabis-use/101163852

 

 

 

[Bday Prang]

13 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

The Thai’s that took the survey do but I agree it’s a good job they do not get info from this forum, Never seen such B.S in my life.

 

This is sensible however.

 

We legalised cannabis for medical use and for health," Mr Anutin said at Government House on Friday. Usage beyond this are inappropriate… and we need laws to control it," he said.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2022-06-17/thailand-issues-regulations-on-cannabis-use/101163852

 

 

 

I can assure you neither Thais nor anybody else take any notice of Dusit polls  they are renowned for using very small representative samples and being very selective regarding the type of people they ask, normally to further an often political agenda. They obviously did not only legalise cannabis for "medical reasons and health" whatever Anutin or any of them might say. The main reason for any of it was money  pure and simple and Anutin and his friends have no doubt done very well out of it so far with much more money to come. Allowing people to grow ten plants in their gardens has nothing to do with medical usage does it ?  Mind you I'm certainly not complaining 

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I can assure you neither Thais nor anybody else take any notice of Dusit polls  they are renowned for using very small representative samples and being very selective regarding the type of people they ask, normally to further an often political agenda. They obviously did not only legalise cannabis for "medical reasons and health" whatever Anutin or any of them might say. The main reason for any of it was money  pure and simple and Anutin and his friends have no doubt done very well out of it so far with much more money to come. Allowing people to grow ten plants in their gardens has nothing to do with medical usage does it ?  Mind you I'm certainly not complaining 

Let me repeat again, you fail to understand. The Thai’s that took part in that survey have concerns, that is a fact.

 

Yes totally agree it was done for money with no thought to the effects on society without strict regulation.

[Bday Prang]

50 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Let me repeat again, you fail to understand. The Thai’s that took part in that survey have concerns, that is a fact.

 

Yes totally agree it was done for money with no thought to the effects on society without strict regulation.

I think its you who doesn't understand  It would be very easy for me to find 2000 or so people who would think completely the opposite of what the people in the dusit survey allegedly said.  Would you consider that a representative survey?

[coolcarer]

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

I think its you who doesn't understand  It would be very easy for me to find 2000 or so people who would think completely the opposite of what the people in the dusit survey allegedly said.  Would you consider that a representative survey?

No because Dusit publish the results with balanced questions that include those same people who have concerns also saying that they are ok with medical cannabis and you are an anonymous  forum cannabis user.

 

I note you used Canada as a good example of its legal cannabis policy and your constant rhetoric of over regulation. have you seen the regulations they have in place?

 

https://www.alberta.ca/cannabis-legalization-in-canada.aspx

 

 

[stoner]

8 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

You're missing the point. It isn't a question of whether cannabis is native to Thailand. The point is that it has been legalized with almost no educational preparation about traffic safety impact, no planning about limiting access to young people, or even the health impacts of smoking anything

these are all valid points and should be taken into consideration and studied etc. your comment went to the deep end after that though. so we will leave all that story telling alone. 

[Bday Prang]

9 hours ago, coolcarer said:

No because Dusit publish the results with balanced questions that include those same people who have concerns also saying that they are ok with medical cannabis and you are an anonymous  forum cannabis user.

 

I note you used Canada as a good example of its legal cannabis policy and your constant rhetoric of over regulation. have you seen the regulations they have in place?

 

https://www.alberta.ca/cannabis-legalization-in-canada.aspx

 

 

You seem to have difficulty understanding things, either that or you are a little naiive and believe all you read in the media,

                          I'll try to explain one last time....If, as it appears Dusit (or the people that commissioned them)  wanted to their survey to suggest that people were generally in favour of medical use only, then they discard any answers that contradict that and publish only answers that support their agenda (or rather the agenda of who ever commissioned the survey) He who pays the piper calls the tune,  as they say . If I was to ask the entire population of the village where I live nobody would even be interested in the subject, they like most Thais have other things to think about. 

 

                            You also seem to have difficulty understanding my posts . I have never produced constant rhetoric of over regulation, my "constant rhetoric " is almost with exception in regards to ignorant people spreading hysterical predictions and mis-information.

                             Furthermore the ONLY time I have ever mentioned Canada  in any post was to cite it as an example , (along with Holland if I recall correctly)  as an examples where the legalisation of cannabis had not lead to a catastrophic breakdown of society, or a descent into "hell on earth" as predicted by many of the prohibitionists on here

 

                            The ONLY  time I mentioned "over regulation" was not even specifically  aimed at cannabis it was a general observation  in response to your post and to others who are obviously not happy here and, rather than just leaving,   would prefer to change Thailand into a copy of their own miserable nanny state countries.  Why did anyone come here in the first place?, a certain demographic soon realise that they cannot handle life here and seek to change it. 

 

 I dont think you should have too much trouble understanding the above

[Bert got kinky]

3 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

You seem to have difficulty understanding things, either that or you are a little naiive and believe all you read in the media,

                          I'll try to explain one last time....If, as it appears Dusit (or the people that commissioned them)  wanted to their survey to suggest that people were generally in favour of medical use only, then they discard any answers that contradict that and publish only answers that support their agenda (or rather the agenda of who ever commissioned the survey) He who pays the piper calls the tune,  as they say . If I was to ask the entire population of the village where I live nobody would even be interested in the subject, they like most Thais have other things to think about. 

 

                            You also seem to have difficulty understanding my posts . I have never produced constant rhetoric of over regulation, my "constant rhetoric " is almost with exception in regards to ignorant people spreading hysterical predictions and mis-information.

                             Furthermore the ONLY time I have ever mentioned Canada  in any post was to cite it as an example , (along with Holland if I recall correctly)  as an examples where the legalisation of cannabis had not lead to a catastrophic breakdown of society, or a descent into "hell on earth" as predicted by many of the prohibitionists on here

 

                            The ONLY  time I mentioned "over regulation" was not even specifically  aimed at cannabis it was a general observation  in response to your post and to others who are obviously not happy here and, rather than just leaving,   would prefer to change Thailand into a copy of their own miserable nanny state countries.  Why did anyone come here in the first place?, a certain demographic soon realise that they cannot handle life here and seek to change it. 

 

 I dont think you should have too much trouble understanding the above

 

I would give it up if I were you.

You can't teach dinosaurs to fly.

 

[coolcarer]

22 minutes ago, Bday Prang said:

You seem to have difficulty understanding things, either that or you are a little naiive and believe all you read in the media,

                          I'll try to explain one last time....If, as it appears Dusit (or the people that commissioned them)  wanted to their survey to suggest that people were generally in favour of medical use only, then they discard any answers that contradict that and publish only answers that support their agenda (or rather the agenda of who ever commissioned the survey) He who pays the piper calls the tune,  as they say . If I was to ask the entire population of the village where I live nobody would even be interested in the subject, they like most Thais have other things to think about. 

 

                            You also seem to have difficulty understanding my posts . I have never produced constant rhetoric of over regulation, my "constant rhetoric " is almost with exception in regards to ignorant people spreading hysterical predictions and mis-information.

                             Furthermore the ONLY time I have ever mentioned Canada  in any post was to cite it as an example , (along with Holland if I recall correctly)  as an examples where the legalisation of cannabis had not lead to a catastrophic breakdown of society, or a descent into "hell on earth" as predicted by many of the prohibitionists on here

 

                            The ONLY  time I mentioned "over regulation" was not even specifically  aimed at cannabis it was a general observation  in response to your post and to others who are obviously not happy here and, rather than just leaving,   would prefer to change Thailand into a copy of their own miserable nanny state countries.  Why did anyone come here in the first place?, a certain demographic soon realise that they cannot handle life here and seek to change it. 

 

 I dont think you should have too much trouble understanding the above

Correct indeed, I find the links to prove my claims far more credible than musings from a 40 year user that provides no sources for his claims.

[Bert got kinky]

 

6 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

Correct indeed, I find the links to prove my claims far more credible than musings from a 40 year user that provides no sources for his claims.

I find the links to prove my claims

Hand-picked and obscure links to justify your agenda.

 

[coolcarer]

14 minutes ago, Bert got kinky said:

 

I find the links to prove my claims

Hand-picked and obscure links to justify your agenda.

 

Obscure links? It gets to something when you are now attempting to discredit credible media including the Canadian gov. Yes I am very bias and here is my position that reflects it. I personally feel cannabis may well have some benefits for certain medical conditions, my links show that. My links also show that far stricter regulations are needed and provide examples of those regulations in countries where it has been legal for years. This is my bias and will carry on being so. So if you think your repeated trolling emojis provide you with some sort of comfort then feel free to carry on

[bobbin]

17 hours ago, Gecko123 said:

I'm surprised no one's considering the possibility that the weed has been adulterated to increase its potency or even sprayed with pesticide. It sounds like a lot of the production is going to be done cottage industry style. Quality control isn't a concern?

 

There's a few serious nut jobs on these cannabis threads. OK, we get it. You love smoking marijuana. Stop talking down to people: I doubt there's anybody on this forum who hasn't smoked marijuana. Your downplaying of traffic safety concerns and the impact marijuana is going to have on the personal development of Thais, especially the youth is irresponsible, exceedingly selfish, and if I may be frank, rather stupid and shortsighted. All you seem to care about is your ability to light up a spliff. You don't seem to give a rat's ass for the impact this is likely to have on road safety, and educational standards in Thailand.

 

Where are all the people who endlessly castigate Thais and the Thai police every time there's another horrific accident in the news? Where are all the critics of Thailand's educational system, who endlessly bash Thai teachers, lament the lack of critical thinking, and cluck their tongues at the latest report of Thai under performance in academic proficiency exams? It feels like there's a couldn't care less, not my 'plobrem' attitude, with zero concern, much less consideration about what impact this might be having on Thais. Just a hedonistic fixation on Thailand having become a place you can now light up a joint without fear of being arrested. It looks to me like some of you are just using Thailand.

Now THAT is a rant..

 

The sky isn't falling tomorrow Chicken Little!

[Rimmer]

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