Eleven Conservatives now bidding to be next UK prime minister

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  On 7/22/2022 at 7:43 AM, transam said:

Seems you don't know what this thread is about.

 

Let me remind you, it is about a new PM for the Blues, not for the job of Chancellor.

Rishi has been the Chancellor for a long time, and it seems that his approach hasn't worked, even you lefty's have complained about it.

 

Liz want's to take a different approach, and seems confident of her plan working with her Chancellor and team.

 

Again, now read very carefully, for me, Liz for PM, with Rishi doing something else other than Chancellor........????

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So you claim Sunak's approach didn't work, Truss wants to take a different approach, and you support Truss. 

But that doesn't mean you support her plan....it is to laugh.

[Excel]

  On 7/22/2022 at 7:36 AM, JonnyF said:

I didn't say you were racist. You misread the post. Please re-read it.

 

I said you were implying that the Conservative members wouldn't vote for Sunak because he isn't white. It was quite an interesting debate and then you couldn't resist pulling the race card. Sad.

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I was reporting what other media are saying, something you appear to completely not understand or choose to attempt to argue about. But no problem, you are easy to ignore in future

[The Hammer2021]

  On 7/22/2022 at 7:25 AM, JonnyF said:

Oh give it a rest. Can't you have a sensible debate without screaming "racist"?

 

Have you seen how many non white Conservative MP's there are? Who do you think voted for them? Sure, not all voters would be members of the party but they are certainly supporters. Do only the racists make the step from voter to member? Laughable.

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The lefties are FUMING at the Tory leadership  competition which has mustered more women and people of colour- a genuine multicultural group than Labour  could produce. Its so funny

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:12 AM, The Hammer2021 said:

The lefties are FUMING at the Tory leadership  competition which has mustered more women and people of colour- a genuine multicultural group than Labour  could produce. Its so funny

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There are two candidates, neither is addressing the concerns of ordinary people.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:03 AM, Excel said:

I was reporting what other media are saying, something you appear to completely not understand or choose to attempt to argue about. But no problem, you are easy to ignore in future

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Here in the U.K , the media doesn't seem to be concerned about either the race or gender of the two applicants .

   Although you probably could find one or two articles if you did a specific search for it 

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:16 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

There are two candidates, neither is addressing the concerns of ordinary people.

 

 

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Everyones concerns need to be addressed , not just the people who go to food banks .

  Policies  that effect the whole Country and all its people  are the main concern , rather than just a minority group 

[transam]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:16 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

There are two candidates, neither is addressing the concerns of ordinary people.

 

 

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What are ordinary people....?

[DezLez]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:20 AM, transam said:

What are ordinary people....?

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Would any MP actually know any?

[Excel]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:12 AM, The Hammer2021 said:

The lefties are FUMING at the Tory leadership  competition which has mustered more women and people of colour- a genuine multicultural group than Labour  could produce. Its so funny

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Facts obviously don't concern you but still perhaps a little education may help you when it comes to discussing multicultural groups in political parties, in this case conservative or Labour..

 

In the 2019 general election, this figure rose to 65, with 22 Conservative, 41 Labour and two Liberal Democrat non-white MPs. 

 

So conservatives non white MPs are outnumbered almost 2 to 1 by those belonging to the Labour party. So when you state "its so funny" then yes clearly it is when people do not know what they are talking about as you have illustrated about yourself.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_minority_politicians_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=In the 2019 general election,Lords as of October 2020.

[Chomper Higgot]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:19 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Everyones concerns need to be addressed , not just the people who go to food banks .

  Policies  that effect the whole Country and all its people  are the main concern , rather than just a minority group 

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The PM will be selected by a small group of people who are far from representative of the whole nation.

[Excel]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:16 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Here in the U.K , the media doesn't seem to be concerned about either the race or gender of the two applicants .

   Although you probably could find one or two articles if you did a specific search for it 

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And quite rightly too as colour should have no impact but the media elsewhere, show an interest and appear to be able to undertake research specifically amongst conservative members, how could that be unless invited to do so ?  It makes me wonder if it is an orchestrated attempt from one of the teams for further dirty tricks. We have seen the stunts and slanging match so far , let's hope it does not get worse.

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:29 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

The PM will be selected by a small group of people who are far from representative of the whole nation.

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The leader of the Conservative party will be elected by members of the Conservative party . 

[transam]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:23 AM, DezLez said:

Would any MP actually know any?

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Daft post, but ask Angela Rayner.........????

[transam]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:24 AM, Excel said:

Facts obviously don't concern you but still perhaps a little education may help you when it comes to discussing multicultural groups in political parties, in this case conservative or Labour..

 

In the 2019 general election, this figure rose to 65, with 22 Conservative, 41 Labour and two Liberal Democrat non-white MPs. 

 

So conservatives non white MPs are outnumbered almost 2 to 1 by those belonging to the Labour party. So when you state "its so funny" then yes clearly it is when people do not know what they are talking about as you have illustrated about yourself.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ethnic_minority_politicians_in_the_United_Kingdom#:~:text=In the 2019 general election,Lords as of October 2020.

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Non-racists don't count the number of different colour faces.

Seems you are, perhaps you should drop it.....????

[DezLez]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:37 AM, transam said:

Daft post, but ask Angela Rayner.........????

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Why is my question asking if any MP would know any ordinary people a daft post?

If any post could be considered as daft I would suggest your post above is, as I have no clue as to what is the "but ask Angela Rayner.." comment about!!

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:23 AM, DezLez said:

Would any MP actually know any?

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Is that a serious question .

M.P's  are regularly contacted by ordinary people , they live normal lifes like everyone else .

  Do you think that they spend 24 hours sitting in Parliament ?

Anyone can visit their M.P at his local office .

M.P's regularly meet with their constituents 

[Loiner]

  On 7/22/2022 at 6:21 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

Johnson was brought down by his own failures and his own political colleagues following two stunning Tory defeats in bi-elections.

 

Beyond success at the ballot box, the ‘Left’ had no part in any of Johnson’s ousting.

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Just re-read the UK press over the last couple of years. Or even see personal abuse against Boris and the constant regurgitation of Garuniad hate articles here in this forum. 
 

Definitely a leftist Remainer plot. 

[stevenl]

  On 7/22/2022 at 4:36 AM, transam said:

Oh, not again, the % thingy.................????

What % did Labour lose the election by, whilst you're at it....????

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Unrelated to the claim I reacted to. Maybe you can tell us how big this massive majority by the General Public was?

[transam]

  On 7/22/2022 at 9:53 AM, stevenl said:

Unrelated to the claim I reacted to. Maybe you can tell us how big this massive majority by the General Public was?

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Why, it makes no difference to the outcome of a vote that took place 6 years ago............????

[baboon]

  On 7/22/2022 at 8:29 AM, Excel said:

And quite rightly too as colour should have no impact but the media elsewhere, show an interest and appear to be able to undertake research specifically amongst conservative members, how could that be unless invited to do so ?  It makes me wonder if it is an orchestrated attempt from one of the teams for further dirty tricks. We have seen the stunts and slanging match so far , let's hope it does not get worse.

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Eh? No, let's hope it gets much, much worse. Let the Bluekippers destroy one another....

[Excel]

  On 7/22/2022 at 10:27 AM, baboon said:

Eh? No, let's hope it gets much, much worse. Let the Bluekippers destroy one another....

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I hear what you say and can see it from one perspective. However from the outside, foreigners looking in, even one party beating itself as the conservatives are doing now will cast a shadow across British politics in general and that spreads to lack of confidence in government policies which is not good for the pound and/or the economy eventually. Not that the economy will be in any good shape by the next election but they shouldn't be making it even worse .

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  On 7/22/2022 at 8:19 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Everyones concerns need to be addressed , not just the people who go to food banks .

  Policies  that effect the whole Country and all its people  are the main concern , rather than just a minority group 

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So let's disregard that small minority that uses the NHS

[baboon]

  On 7/22/2022 at 10:33 AM, Excel said:

I hear what you say and can see it from one perspective. However from the outside, foreigners looking in, even one party beating itself as the conservatives are doing now will cast a shadow across British politics in general and that spreads to lack of confidence in government policies which is not good for the pound and/or the economy eventually. Not that the economy will be in any good shape by the next election but they shouldn't be making it even worse .

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A very thoughtful reply.

However surely any foreigner looking in would realise they should NOT have any confidence in the current regime's promises as they cannot be trusted to honour them. Look at the Brexit withdrawal deal - signed in bad faith from the get go...

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 7/22/2022 at 10:33 AM, Excel said:

I hear what you say and can see it from one perspective. However from the outside, foreigners looking in, even one party beating itself as the conservatives are doing now will cast a shadow across British politics in general and that spreads to lack of confidence in government policies which is not good for the pound and/or the economy eventually. Not that the economy will be in any good shape by the next election but they shouldn't be making it even worse .

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This is democracy in   progress . 

For a start , most Foreigners have no interest at all in U.K politics .

And anyone  who appreciates the democratic process would be aware that democracy involves people disagreeing with each other .

   I am bewildered that there are so many people who cannot accept or understand how democracy works and cannot fathom that people have differing opinions .

   I do think that some people will caste a negative aspect on any event 

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 7/22/2022 at 10:40 AM, placeholder said:

So let's disregard that small minority that uses the NHS

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I don't think that sick people should be refused treatment at hospitals , but some aspects of the NHS could be reformed . 

[stevenl]

  On 7/22/2022 at 10:00 AM, transam said:

Why, it makes no difference to the outcome of a vote that took place 6 years ago............????

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So someone makes an incorrect claim, when called out you defend the person making the incorrect claim, and when asked you defer to 'doesn't matter'.
Truth and words matter, even though you and others seem to not care about that anymore.

[Excel]

  On 7/22/2022 at 10:44 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

For a start , most Foreigners have no interest at all in U.K politics .

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You must be on another planet. Foreign investment bankers take a very close interest in it. It never ceases to amase me how people think the UK is a simple little island where foreign investment does not happen and hence any signs of political change or policy introduction is of vital importance. No wonder the country is in such a poor political state if people have such a closed outlook as that.

[Mac Mickmanus]

  On 7/22/2022 at 11:09 AM, Excel said:

You must be on another planet. Foreign investment bankers take a very close interest in it. It never ceases to amase me how people think the UK is a simple little island where foreign investment does not happen and hence any signs of political change or policy introduction is of vital importance. No wonder the country is in such a poor political state if people have such a closed outlook as that.

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Yes, but foreign investors wouldn't decide NOT to invest in the U.K because Conservatives are electing a new leader .

  All democracies the World over have regular elections and the leaders are regularly replaced ,  

[Excel]

  On 7/22/2022 at 11:24 AM, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but foreign investors wouldn't decide NOT to invest in the U.K because Conservatives are electing a new leader .

  All democracies the World over have regular elections and the leaders are regularly replaced ,  

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Not what was said and you know it.  It was the way they are going about it which was the point I was making and it is exactly that which can dispel confidence or otherwise that the policies being put forward by the candidates are potential investment identifiers or otherwise simply being used as electoral ammunition.

[Mac Mickmanus]

Looks like Truss is favourite to win 

 

 

Liz Truss extends lead against Rishi Sunak in latest poll of Tory members

By Sam Coates, deputy political editor 

Liz Truss has extended her lead among Tory members over Rishi Sunak as the final stage of the race for Number 10 gets under way.

A YouGov poll taken on Wednesday evening and Thursday morning found the foreign secretary would beat the former chancellor by 62% to 38% among those who would vote. This is a 24 percentage point lead, up from a 20 point lead two days previously. 

 

 

 

https://news.sky.com/story/tory-leadership-live-updates-another-tory-candidate-facing-elimination-as-truss-responds-to-sunak-barb-12593360