Scott Posted July 12, 2022 Share Posted July 12, 2022 Half of GOP Voters Ready to Leave Trump Behind, Poll Find Michael C. Bender Tue, July 12, 2022 at 4:37 AM Former President Donald Trump at a rally in Anchorage, Alaska, July 9, 2022. (Ash Adams/The New York Times) As Donald Trump weighs whether to open an unusually early White House campaign, a New York Times/Siena College poll shows that his post-presidential quest to consolidate his support within the Republican Party has instead left him weakened, with nearly half the party’s primary voters seeking someone different for president in 2024 and a significant number vowing to abandon him if he wins the nomination. By focusing on political payback inside his party instead of tending to wounds opened by his alarming attempts to cling to power after his 2020 defeat, Trump appears to have only deepened fault lines among Republicans during his yearlong revenge tour. A clear majority of primary voters younger than 35, 64%, as well as 65% of those with at least a college degree — a leading indicator of political preferences inside the donor class — told pollsters they would vote against Trump in a presidential primary. Trump’s conduct on Jan. 6, 2021, appears to have contributed to the decline in his standing, including among a small but important segment of Republicans who could form the base of his opposition in a potential primary contest. https://www.yahoo.com/news/half-gop-voters-ready-leave-113731959.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 Ah yes... the old article author Mike Bender...word has it he writes while on one. I can believe that...are we being entertained yet? 1 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 2 hours ago, wombat said: Ah yes... the old article author Mike Bender...word has it he writes while on one. I can believe that...are we being entertained yet? Tue, July 12, 2022, 6:37 PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Iamfalang Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 - poll finds. In 2022, even the sheep know these "polls" are soo worthless. This literally has as much credibility as : - Big Foot declares - Swamp Man says 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RichardColeman Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 I like Trump, least he spoke his mind and answered questions. Biden on the other hand speaks somebody else's mind and refuses questions. Personally I - though I like Trump - I would prefer another person. I have no problem with riling the far left, but it would be nice to see a Rep more 'attractive' to the 'middle'. Odds for me on the Florida guy 3 2 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post EVENKEEL Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 Who cares about Trump anymore? DeSantis 2024. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 13, 2022 Share Posted July 13, 2022 3 hours ago, Iamfalang said: - poll finds. In 2022, even the sheep know these "polls" are soo worthless. This literally has as much credibility as : - Big Foot declares - Swamp Man says No major poll has ever had a error greater than 5% outside their margin of error. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted July 13, 2022 Author Share Posted July 13, 2022 Off-topic posts with memes reported and removed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post riclag Posted July 13, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 13, 2022 (edited) 4 hours ago, RichardColeman said: I like Trump, least he spoke his mind and answered questions. Biden on the other hand speaks somebody else's mind and refuses questions. Personally I - though I like Trump - I would prefer another person. I have no problem with riling the far left, but it would be nice to see a Rep more 'attractive' to the 'middle'. Odds for me on the Florida guy Generally I don't converse for obvious reasons,same as many of my conservative acquaintances. I find myself liking many of your comments but I can't resist the temptation of sharing my opinion with you . Its been reported that the dems are gonna get mid termed to put it lightly! Mr. Trump has endorsed many conservatives and his record is stellar,percentage wise as has been reported by them winning their races! Just think of all of the effort "Save America" movement has exhausted in almost two years! To think of anybody else most deserving those achievements besides the GOP winners, Mr.Trump and the supporters is second to none! Mr. DeSantis is a conservative politician, he doesn't cower, same as Mr. Trump to the MSM ! Until conservatives hear what his national agenda is for America and most importantly who's supporting his "campaign ",it will be short lived. If its Mittens Romney an alike(Rino's) its over before it started for GOV DeSantis, its 2024 for President Trump and the good guys and girls that love the USA imop! Edited July 13, 2022 by riclag 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 I vote Rubio... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hanuman2547 Posted July 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2022 Watching American politics is like waiting for a train wreck. You know it is going to be bad, you just don't know how bad. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post heybruce Posted July 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 7:35 AM, RichardColeman said: I like Trump, least he spoke his mind and answered questions. Biden on the other hand speaks somebody else's mind and refuses questions. Personally I - though I like Trump - I would prefer another person. I have no problem with riling the far left, but it would be nice to see a Rep more 'attractive' to the 'middle'. Odds for me on the Florida guy "I like Trump, least he spoke his mind..." I can't argue with that. Trump was incoherent in mind and speech. The Florida guy is a good substitute. He accomplishes little but does it noisily and gets on Fox News a lot. 8 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted July 14, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 14, 2022 12 hours ago, Hanuman2547 said: Watching American politics is like waiting for a train wreck. You know it is going to be bad, you just don't know how bad. a supposed Churchill remark: “Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.” 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 14, 2022 Share Posted July 14, 2022 Trump advisers pressing him to announce 2024 campaign before Lindsey Graham meets with grand jury The special grand jury empaneled in Fulton County issued a subpoena to the South Carolina Republican to testify about Trump's efforts to overturn his election loss in the state, and the former president's advisers seem to think he should announce another White House bid to stay ahead of that investigation, reported New York Magazine. “A lot of people are saying, ‘You’ve got to announce so you’re protected. It’s a witch hunt, they’re trying to do this to you again. https://www.rawstory.com/lindsey-graham-georgia-2657673489/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 "That is what the Republicans are saying in Washington. They are scared to death that Donald Trump is going to declare before November. because it absolutely changes the conversation for them. This is a very effective political environment for them right now, where they can have a wave again because it's just not been such a great year for President Biden, whether it is his fault or not." https://www.rawstory.com/dopnald-trump-2024/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ozimoron Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2022 The expanded use of drop boxes for mailed ballots during the 2020 election did not lead to any widespread problems, according to an Associated Press survey of state election officials across the U.S. that revealed no cases of fraud, vandalism or theft that could have affected the results. The findings from both Republican- and Democratic-controlled states run contrary to claims made by former President Donald Trump and his allies who have intensely criticized their use and falsely claimed they were a target for fraud. Yet conspiracy theories and efforts by Republicans to eliminate or restrict them since the 2020 election persist. https://apnews.com/article/voting-rights-2022-midterm-elections-covid-health-wisconsin-c61fa93a12a1a51d6d9f4e0a21fa3b75 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 17, 2022 Share Posted July 17, 2022 (edited) Well, if he isn't imprisoned or otherwise legally barred from holding any office including dog catcher (yes, that is possible) then he almost definitely will run and will probably be nominated as well. One one one against Gay Panic Florida Guy and Florida Guy wins. But there will likely be multiple challengers like before, so Mr. trump can get nominated with 30 or 40 percent support. Ironically (and dangerously) it would be much easier for the democrats to beat Mr. trump than Florida Guy, etc. Another twist is if Florida Guy loses his governor's contest to the excellent candidate Charlie Crist. What does that mean? I don't know. But will the republicans nominate Florida Guy that can't even win in Florida? Edited July 17, 2022 by Jingthing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted July 17, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 17, 2022 On 7/13/2022 at 4:33 AM, Scott said: with nearly half the party’s primary voters seeking someone different for president in 2024 That means more than half still support a lying traitor who is also incompetent, thinks he is super smart, and and and. Really? Are that the qualities which you want for the American president, the most powerful person in this world? I understand that people also don't like Biden and many other politicians. So how about voting (in the primaries and later) for someone who at least tries to be honest? How about someone who knows his limitations and doesn't think he knows everything? And how about someone who tries to unite the people in the country? Or is that too much to ask? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 11:44 PM, ozimoron said: a supposed Churchill remark: “Americans can always be trusted to do the right thing, once all other possibilities have been exhausted.” I suspect that we have a long way to go until all the other possibilities are exhausted. I also suspect that Republican/Trumpian control of Congress and the White House will result in various "electoral reform measures" which will cement that control they are already working hard towards that goal. I doubt whether the Supreme Court will take an interest. I'm afraid I see a rather dark future for democracy in the USA. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Loh Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 I don't think Trump will run. He just can't stand being beatened twice. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 On 7/14/2022 at 11:49 PM, ozimoron said: Trump advisers pressing him to announce 2024 campaign before Lindsey Graham meets with grand jury The special grand jury empaneled in Fulton County issued a subpoena to the South Carolina Republican to testify about Trump's efforts to overturn his election loss in the state, and the former president's advisers seem to think he should announce another White House bid to stay ahead of that investigation, reported New York Magazine. “A lot of people are saying, ‘You’ve got to announce so you’re protected. It’s a witch hunt, they’re trying to do this to you again. https://www.rawstory.com/lindsey-graham-georgia-2657673489/ I should imagine that two more years of " a protected status as a presidential candidate would appeal. 9 hours ago, ozimoron said: The expanded use of drop boxes for mailed ballots during the 2020 election did not lead to any widespread problems, according to an Associated Press survey of state election officials across the U.S. that revealed no cases of fraud, vandalism or theft that could have affected the results. The findings from both Republican- and Democratic-controlled states run contrary to claims made by former President Donald Trump and his allies who have intensely criticized their use and falsely claimed they were a target for fraud. Yet conspiracy theories and efforts by Republicans to eliminate or restrict them since the 2020 election persist. https://apnews.com/article/voting-rights-2022-midterm-elections-covid-health-wisconsin-c61fa93a12a1a51d6d9f4e0a21fa3b75 That can be sorted when the right people are in post... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 2 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said: I should imagine that two more years of " a protected status as a presidential candidate would appeal. That can be sorted when the right people are in post... No. Being a candidate for president offers no legal protection from indictments whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Berkshire Posted July 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2022 40 minutes ago, Eric Loh said: I don't think Trump will run. He just can't stand being beatened twice. Odds are that he will. Aside from his many criminal/civil exposure, he wants to maintain his relevance. And mostly because he wants to keep raising money from his deluded supporters. These aren't the brightest people. He will keep fleecing every last cent from his deplorables because he can. He needs money to pay the lawyers! 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herfiehandbag Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 3 hours ago, Jingthing said: No. Being a candidate for president offers no legal protection from indictments whatsoever. Yes but, in his mind (and that of many of his supporters) he will see it as a platform from which to bellow about his opponents trying to use the law to derail his campaign. The louder he shouts the more he believes himself. It will also inevitably be used as leverage to extract more money from his supporters.. He couldn't resist the money! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted July 18, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said: Yes but, in his mind (and that of many of his supporters) he will see it as a platform from which to bellow about his opponents trying to use the law to derail his campaign. The louder he shouts the more he believes himself. It will also inevitably be used as leverage to extract more money from his supporters.. He couldn't resist the money! It's much worse than that.. I am certain that if he runs and if then indicted that he will intentionally rile up his far right wing white nationalist militia groups to "protest" at the courts such as in Atlanta similarly to his criminal activities related to the January 6 coup attempt. He will then literally have nothing to lose and he doesn't care if he brings down America with his own sinking ship. It was never really America first with him. It has always been Trump First, Last, and Always. Edited July 18, 2022 by Jingthing 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 Biden probabmy won't run. He needs to act like he will in order to not prematurely castrate his presidency. This is Politics 101. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 11 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said: So do you think voting for the lying traitor is better? Exactly. I would be better than Trump. Some rando Uber driver would be better than Trump. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 (edited) *Deleted post edited out* The REAL reason Trump will run. It's not to save America. Its to save his own ass. Edited July 18, 2022 by Scott 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heybruce Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 1 hour ago, Jingthing said: *Deleted post edited out* The REAL reason Trump will run. It's not to save America. Its to save his own ass. There's also his gargantuan ego and the fact that staying in the public eye greatly expands his ability to fleece gullible supporters out of their money. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted July 18, 2022 Share Posted July 18, 2022 7 hours ago, Jingthing said: Exactly. I would be better than Trump. Some rando Uber driver would be better than Trump. In Australia, the expression would be "a drover's dog" would be better than Trump. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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