COVID Cases Spike After Long Holiday

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

How does that make sense when vaccination does not stop transmission?

That's the same logic as saying brakes don't stop cars.

[coolcarer]

2 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

Never taken it and never caught the flu. I am very healthy though.

Nor have I, being in my early 40s but it is advised yearly for all those who are vulnerable. Much the same I expect as a yearly covid booster will be. However with the new gen vaccines being available soon then this may also become less necessary. 

[tomacht8]

In the last 3 weeks I've heard from tons of people who have/had C19. In a school class, for example, out of 42 students, exactly 30 had C19, but all were well after 1 week with mild symptoms.

 

If the virus stays so mild, there is no reason to spread panic here and no reason for the government to issue any short-circuit rules to restrict the freedom of the population again.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Just now, tomacht8 said:

In the last 3 weeks I've heard from tons of people who have/had C19. In a school class, for example, out of 42 students, exactly 30 had C19, but all were well after 1 week with mild symptoms.

 

 

School children, because of their age, tend to have among the lower risks for serious COVID illness.... So they often end up spreading the virus to older family members when they bring the virus home...and those adult relatives end up getting sick.

 

But that doesn't mean school age children have no serious risk from COVID:

 

 

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

2 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

In that case, why is Covid still a concern? You're all taking your boosters and not dying from Covid, great. And us stupid anti-vaxxers will die but that's our problem, isn't it?

 

Unfortunately, it isn't quite that simple, for a couple different reasons:

 

1. As scientists have noted, every time there's a new COVID infection in the world, that increases the likelihood of further COVID virus mutations that could change the virus into who-knows-what kind of a threat. The most recent mutations have made the virus both more transmissible and more able to evade the protections from prior vaccinations and even prior COVID infections, all of which creates the prospect for growing numbers of people sick with COVID. The unvaccinated, in particular, contribute to those risks.

 

2. You may not care about your own COVID risks enough to be vaccinated, but every time an unvaccinated/unboosted person ends up contracting the virus, they're not only a threat to themselves, but also to anyone else they come into close, sustained contact with. So the risk isn't just yours to take on your own, but also the unwitting others around you who may have no idea of the risk you pose to others.

 

 

From the U.S. CDC on current vaccine effectiveness:

 

"

• People who were unvaccinated had a greater risk of testing positive for COVID-19 and a greater risk of dying from COVID-19 than people who were vaccinated overall (see below for the most recent rates).
• People who were vaccinated with a primary series and two additional or booster doses had lower death rates, followed by people who received one additional or booster dose, compared with those without an additional or booster dose. All vaccinated groups had lower risk of dying from COVID-19 compared with people who were unvaccinated."

 

 

 

 

 

CDC source link:

 

 

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Edited July 22, 2022 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[rumak]

1 hour ago, rattlesnake said:

For someone like me who is young and healthy, do you really believe vaccinations and indefinite boosters are the way to go? I have taken zero shots and I have never caught Covid, am I a statistical anomoly? The luckiest guy in the world? Or maybe, just maybe I am right to trust my immune system and lead a healthy lifestyle?

DEFINITELY   those that are young and healthy are much better off to let their very amazing immune systems deal with covid,  as they do with other viruses and flus.  

Actually, from the large numbers of HEALTHY  older persons ( included in this group are athletes, airline pilots,  healthcare workers,  truckers, cops,  firemen, on and on )  that DO NOT want to be forced to take these drugs....... I would say that trusting ones immune system is a very popular decision.    

 

Come to think of it ...... even old Rumak and a few of his healthy older friends seem to have done just great .  Not vaxxed ,  and just doing fine,  thank you.   Pretty good choice to have maintained a healthy lifestyle,  I would say.    

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Mixing with the unvaccinated increases COVID-19 risk for the vaccinated, study finds

Apr 25, 2022

MONTREAL — While remaining unvaccinated against COVID-19 is often framed as a personal choice, those who spurn the vaccines raise the risk of infection for those around them, a new study suggests.

 

The research published Monday in the Canadian Medical Association Journal found that vaccinated people who mix with those who are not vaccinated have a significantly greater chance of being infected than those who stick with people who have received the shot.

...

Co-author David Fisman, of the University of Toronto’s Dalla Lana school of public health, said ... “You may like to drive your car 200 kilometres an hour and think that’s fun, but we don’t allow you to do that on a highway partly because you can kill and injure yourself, but also because you’re creating risk for those around you,”

 

(more)

 

https://torontosun.com/health/mixing-with-the-unvaccinated-increases-covid-19-risk-for-the-vaccinated-study-finds

 

[jerrymahoney]

7 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

For someone like me who is young and healthy, do you really believe vaccinations and indefinite boosters are the way to go? I have taken zero shots and I have never caught Covid, am I a statistical anomoly? The luckiest guy in the world? Or maybe, just maybe I am right to trust my immune system and lead a healthy lifestyle?

Can't answer that one without knowing what exposure you had to persons who were positive.

 

I lead a healthy lifestyle. I was also on the same Bangkok to Khon Kaen ThaiSmile we46 Dec11 2021 flight as the Thai couple recently back from Belgium who were the patients zero of the Kalasin Omicron cluster.

 

I was vaccinated at the time. No covid for me although I went and got PCR tested at a hospital.

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, questionsreplies said:

It's so funny, people get super sick and the only thing they can think about is that they didn't die thanks to vax... keep doing, everyday you can see how correct you are from the start ! 5555+

I suppose it is a bit like the amulet comments the locals make....but personally I have more faith in the vaccines. 

[Sunderland]

On 7/21/2022 at 5:46 PM, Eleven Seven said:

Why do doctors and nurses wear masks in hospitals? Just asking.

Cosplay?

[Sunderland]

My kids have had COVID type symptoms twice in the last two weeks despite always wearing masks in school and we barely go anywhere else. Do masks help prevent the spread of respiratory illness in schools? I'm not sure as I am not a qualified doctor, scientist or mask manufacturer. Would they have been sick 3 or 4 times in two weeks without masks? I don't know.

 

I don't doubt COVID is a viral infection that spreads between people. I also assume that masks help reduce the spread of droplets when an infected person coughs or sneezes. However, I'm not sure the human species needs to spend the next 100 years wearing a mask attempting to prevent colds, flu or other infections moving around the population. I'm not convinced the population will live any longer on average if we all wear masks forever more.

[realfunster]

12 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Why do you folks like to equate Road deaths with Covid, that belief is of no true comparison in either accidents or Covid cases and infections, but go on believing there is a correlation.

What do you mean “you folks” - oh, I see, straight into a binary discussion and polarization of differing opinions. I am actually triple vacced and take sensible but not neurotic precautions. You are pigeonholing me straight away based on one post. COVID has been a serious global health issue, I am pointing out it is not a serious global health issue anymore - it’s time to move on. 

 

BTS ridership is at the highest level since pre-pandemic and anyone in Bangkok can tell you that traffic levels are getting back to pre-pandemic levels also, it seems most people also feel it is time to get on with life and the global and Thai mortality statistics bear this out…

 

There is absolutely no correlation between road deaths and COVID and no one has ever said there is, what can be drawn is a comparison in individual/government response for an ongoing twenty year road death crisis in Thailand and people monotonously fixating over what is now an endemic disease. You can also extend the analysis and state factually  that driving is now 3x more likely to kill any of us than COVID, so I look forward to the neurotics out there analyzing the hell out of the road death data. 

 

It’s time to move on..

 

 

Edited July 23, 2022 by realfunster
Typo

[Bkk Brian]

9 hours ago, tomacht8 said:

In the last 3 weeks I've heard from tons of people who have/had C19. In a school class, for example, out of 42 students, exactly 30 had C19, but all were well after 1 week with mild symptoms.

 

If the virus stays so mild, there is no reason to spread panic here and no reason for the government to issue any short-circuit rules to restrict the freedom of the population again.

Good to hear the nationwide vaccine roll out for school kids worked well with all of them having mild symptoms and none of them experiencing serious effects

Edited July 23, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[ThailandRyan]

24 minutes ago, realfunster said:

What do you mean “you folks” - oh, I see, straight into a binary discussion and polarization of differing opinions. I am actually triple vacced and take sensible but not neurotic precautions. You are pigeonholing me straight away based on one post. COVID has been a serious global health issue, I am pointing out it is not a serious global health issue anymore - it’s time to move on. 

 

BTS ridership is at the highest level since pre-pandemic and anyone in Bangkok can tell you that traffic levels are getting back to pre-pandemic levels also, it seems most people also feel it is time to get on with life and the global and Thai mortality statistics bear this out…

 

There is absolutely no correlation between road deaths and COVID and no one has ever said there is, what can be drawn is a comparison in individual/government response for an ongoing twenty year road death crisis in Thailand and people monotonously fixating over what is now an endemic disease. You can also extend the analysis and state factually  that driving is now 3x more likely to kill any of us than COVID, so I look forward to the neurotics out there analyzing the hell out of the road death data. 

 

It’s time to move on..

 

 

Not an issue any more? Really?  I think your not looking at the cases and growth with the new variants.  Sure the world needs to move on, but dismissing Covid as nothing is far from the truth. The OP is on Covid and not road deaths.

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

 

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/weekly-trends/#weekly_table

[ThailandRyan]

All vaccines regardless of age of recipient have the ability to cause problems for certain people. Side effects can and do occur with all vaccines not just Covid.  Why do you think there are Antivaccination groups. Certain religions also do not believe in any vaccinations.

Edited July 23, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, huangnon said:

 

 

The NHS is offering coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines to children aged 5 to 11 years.

Experts have advised that parents of all children aged 5 to 11 years should be offered the chance to have their child vaccinated.

[huangnon]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

 

The NHS is offering coronavirus (COVID-19) vaccines to children aged 5 to 11 years.

Experts have advised that parents of all children aged 5 to 11 years should be offered the chance to have their child vaccinated.

When there's doubt, there is no doubt. Children have virtually zero-risk from Covid, so why risk vaccinating them?

Also, there is still no long-term results available for the m-RNA vaccines.

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, huangnon said:

When there's doubt, there is no doubt. Children have virtually zero-risk from Covid, so why risk vaccinating them?

Also, there is still no long-term results available for the m-RNA vaccines.

The link I posted says why

Edited July 23, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[huangnon]

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

The link I posted says why

From your link:

Quote

For most children COVID-19 is a mild illness that may require a few days off school but rarely leads to complications. For a very few children, the symptoms may be more serious or last longer.

The current Omicron variant appears to be particularly mild in children.

No thanks, Pfizer.

[Bday Prang]

17 hours ago, sawadee1947 said:

......and there are loads of farangs on this blog who will deny.......blind and deaf.

A friend told me all over again you can't fix stupidity.????

Ever thought that your friend might be trying to tell you something

[Bkk Brian]

11 minutes ago, huangnon said:

From your link:

No thanks, Pfizer.

Irrelivant to the parents who make the decision based on the advice provided

[StayinThailand2much]

10 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Mixing with the unvaccinated increases COVID-19 risk for the vaccinated, study finds (...)

And they need a study for this? 

Edited July 23, 2022 by StayinThailand2much

[Bday Prang]

15 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

 

 

 

WHO: Covid-19 Triples Across Europe, Hospitalisations Double

Earlier this week, editors of two British medical journals said that at no other time in the country's National Health Service have so many parts of it been so close to collapse.

 

 

 

 

A little perspective is needed regarding that statement  .....

                             The U.K Nhs appears to have been either "on the brink of collapse" or "close to bursting" or "deep in crisis" some times even "on its knees" all most permanently for the last 25 years at least ! The phrases themselves whilst sounding very dramatic  are nothing more than pre-emptive excuses for a very poor service

                              Day in day out we hear the same stories with out exception.   Its normally accompanied by accusations of underfunding  and is also an easy  way for opposition political parties to try to score points over the current government.                                           However during covid it has also been  a very useful part of the fear campaign, what could be more "scary" than telling people that if they get sick the hospitals won't be able to help them as the situation there is "close to bursting point" (due to underfunding by previous or current administrations of course)

                          The truth of the matter is that the NHS is one of the worst managed organisations on the planet, government after government have thrown billions and billions of pounds at the NHS without ever checking how the money has been spent, Nurses are paid a pittance , junior doctors are forced to work excessive hours, cleaning services have been subcontracted to outside contracting agencies employing cheap foreign labour with insufficient supervision, It is a national disgrace.

                         But the fact of the matter is it was never overwhelmed , proven by the fact that the so called "nightingale" emergency field hospitals were never used , not that they could have been as there was no staff available to work there !

                          Its a classic case of crying wolf, over and over again, and to claim that the NHS is under more strain than it was at the height of the "pandemic" is nothing other than a scaremongering insult to peoples intelligence

                          

 

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, BringThePainE said:

 

 Since my Pfizer and Moderna vaccinations I have developed some severe side effects....

 

.... I have developed an overwhelming intolerance for ill-informed fools spreading misinformation and paranoia while quoting from within their own echo-chamber rhetoric

[Rimmer]

A misleading post and a reply have been removed

[onthedarkside]

Several posts have been removed for reasons including being off-topic trolling, commenting on moderation, posting a document without a weblink to the original source, and posts making claims that were unsubstantiated/unsourced or based on outdated information.

 

[rumak]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 Since my Pfizer and Moderna vaccinations I have developed some severe side effects....

 

.... I have developed an overwhelming intolerance for ill-informed fools spreading misinformation and paranoia while quoting from within their own echo-chamber rhetoric

Can you explain your post to me?  The way i read it is :  you had those vaccinations and" have developed some severe side effects"  .     Am i wrong in interpreting that as meaning you believe the side effects are FROM the vaccinations ?      

 

Oddly enough,  two very adament pro vaxxers gave you a "thanks"  for that post .  That is very confusing IF ,  as i read it.   you are blaming ( the word that comes to my mind)  the vaccinations.    

 

if i gave a "thanks"..... it would be for informing us of your bad experience .    Your second paragraph could use a bit more explanation for me to understand better .

 

hope you are recovering       rumak

[ThailandRyan]

13 minutes ago, rumak said:

Can you explain your post to me?  The way i read it is :  you had those vaccinations and" have developed some severe side effects"  .     Am i wrong in interpreting that as meaning you believe the side effects are FROM the vaccinations ?      

 

Oddly enough,  two very adament pro vaxxers gave you a "thanks"  for that post .  That is very confusing IF ,  as i read it.   you are blaming ( the word that comes to my mind)  the vaccinations.    

 

if i gave a "thanks"..... it would be for informing us of your bad experience .    Your second paragraph could use a bit more explanation for me to understand better .

 

hope you are recovering       rumak

You sure do like to twist words people post, but then you new exactly what he meant and your trolling again....

[rumak]

8 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

You sure do like to twist words people post, but then you new exactly what he meant and your trolling again....

i think you are the one who is wrong about what he meant.    I have asked him,  so why not wait for an answer .   

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

 Since my Pfizer and Moderna vaccinations I have developed some severe side effects....

 

.... I have developed an overwhelming intolerance for ill-informed fools spreading misinformation and paranoia while quoting from within their own echo-chamber rhetoric

 

3 minutes ago, rumak said:

i think you are the one who is wrong about what he meant.    I have asked him,  so why not wait for an answer .   

His side effects that he developed are ' I have developed an overwhelming intolerance for ill-informed fools spreading misinformation and paranoia while quoting from within their own echo-chamber rhetoric"