Long traffic delays at Dover ferry port are fault of Brexit, claim French

[onthedarkside]

 

French politicians have blamed the chaos at Dover ferry port which has led to long delays for families travelling to Europe on the introduction of passport checks under Brexit rules.

 

Motorists were facing a two-hour wait to travel the last mile of the route on Saturday before further delays of a few hours at French passport control, with a major incident having been declared by local authorities due to the volume of traffic.

 

The long queues came despite all 10 French passport control booths being fully manned at the port, in contrast to Friday, when only four appeared to be operational.

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Because of the Covid pandemic’s travel restrictions this is the first summer since Britain left the EU in which tourist passengers are experiencing full passport checks. 

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The port was expecting to handle 10,000 cars boarding 65 sailings from Dover to France on Saturday, with thousands of cars and goods lorries snaking down the A2 and along Jubilee flyover over the white cliffs of Dover from early morning, rather than along the A20 and the town’s seafront.

 

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/07/23/long-long-delays-expected-port-dover/

 

 

[richard_smith237]

This is just stubborn stupidness buy authorities (governments)... 

If no passport checks were necessary before, none are now - the only change is that humans have ‘put in a rule’.....  

... ‘operate under a bilateral free-travel agreement - no EU passport checks in the UK, if no UK passport checks in the EU’...  this could be simple if it weren’t for stubborn tools in positions of decision making power (on both sides).

[baboon]

This is what 'we' voted for. This is what 'we' wanted. No point in getting upset, then.

[placeholder]

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

This is just stubborn stupidness buy authorities (governments)... 

If no passport checks were necessary before, none are now - the only change is that humans have ‘put in a rule’.....  

... ‘operate under a bilateral free-travel agreement - no EU passport checks in the UK, if no UK passport checks in the EU’...  this could be simple if it weren’t for stubborn tools in positions of decision making power (on both sides).

It's about internal security: 

 

"As a third country, the UK has lost access to the Schengen Information System (SIS II) and will not be a member of Europol."

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/beyond-brexit-policing-law-enforcement-and-security/

[JayClay]

8 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

no EU passport checks in the UK, if no UK passport checks in the EU’..

And how are you supposed to know what type of passport anybody is holding, if you don't check them?

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, JayClay said:

And how are you supposed to know what type of passport anybody is holding, if you don't check them?

Well, it's not a question of examining passports. Rather it's about the level of scrutiny. The UK is no longer privy to the EU internal security system and vice-versa. So it takes longer to examine UK passports.

[bannork]

UK citizens can now only stay in EU countries for 90 days in a 180 day period. So EU immigration has to check each passport to see how many days left. Plus passports must be valid for at least 6 months. 

 

[bannork]

A stamp is necessary now 

 

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

It's about internal security: 

 

"As a third country, the UK has lost access to the Schengen Information System (SIS II) and will not be a member of Europol."

https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/beyond-brexit-policing-law-enforcement-and-security/

And ‘people’ (law makers / governments) can allow the UK to maintain access….

 

As I wrote, the issues are ‘man-made’ and unnecessary. 

[nauseus]

Strange that the French didn't worry about stamping British passports before we joined the EEC/EU.

[richard_smith237]

2 hours ago, JayClay said:

10 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

no EU passport checks in the UK, if no UK passport checks in the EU’..

And how are you supposed to know what type of passport anybody is holding, if you don't check them?

What did we do before ?

 

Road blocks have been ‘erected’ when simple agreements could be put in place. 

[transam]

2 hours ago, baboon said:

This is what 'we' voted for. This is what 'we' wanted. No point in getting upset, then.

Correct...............????

 

But as the French can't even stop thousands of illegal folk crossing the channel in rubber dinghies, I think they will have a problem wiv near anything...????

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

And ‘people’ (law makers / governments) can allow the UK to maintain access….

 

As I wrote, the issues are ‘man-made’ and unnecessary. 

Was Brexit an act of divine intervention? Or could it be called "'man-made' and unnecessary"?

[placeholder]

6 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Strange that the French didn't worry about stamping British passports before we joined the EEC/EU.

Well, so you're claiming that security climate of roughly 50 years ago was no different than it is today?

[transam]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

UK citizens can now only stay in EU countries for 90 days in a 180 day period. So EU immigration has to check each passport to see how many days left. Plus passports must be valid for at least 6 months. 

 

Yes, or get a visa, now where do I have to do that.....????

[richard_smith237]

1 hour ago, bannork said:

UK citizens can now only stay in EU countries for 90 days in a 180 day period. So EU immigration has to check each passport to see how many days left. Plus passports must be valid for at least 6 months. 

 

Human road blocks…

 

Allow the same access as before and remove the unnecessary hurdles, inefficiency & extra work.
 

Nothing has changed other than ‘legal agreements / documentation’  which could easily be amended IF both sides (EU & UK) were amenable.

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

And ‘people’ (law makers / governments) can allow the UK to maintain access….

 

As I wrote, the issues are ‘man-made’ and unnecessary. 

Agree. And as it has become now, the EU is an unnecessary protection racket. 

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, transam said:

Correct...............????

 

But as the French can't even stop thousands of illegal folk crossing the channel in rubber dinghies, I think they will have a problem wiv near anything...????

Well, the UK would be well pleased to have illegal folk leaving in rubber dinghies. 

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Was Brexit an act of divine intervention? Or could it be called "'man-made' and unnecessary"?

You could apply the last part of that to the EU.

[placeholder]

Just now, nauseus said:

You could apply the last part of that to the EU.

In fact you can apply it to a whole host of laws and treaties. In fact, its application is so general as to be irrelevant.

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 hours ago, onthedarkside said:

French politicians have blamed the chaos at Dover ferry port which has led to long delays for families travelling to Europe on the introduction of passport checks under Brexit rules.

The new rules were introduced two and a half years ago , why are there suddenly delays now ?

   It was the French staff not turning up for work which caused the delays and the Frenches technology broke  .

   Brexit rules have been in place for 30 months now , you cannot blame Brexit for your own Countries failings , besides , you should have measures in place to deal with any delays connected to Brexit

   

[placeholder]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Correct...............????

 

But as the French can't even stop thousands of illegal folk crossing the channel in rubber dinghies, I think they will have a problem wiv near anything...????

What percentage of those illegal immigrants do you expect the French to be able to stop? It's irrational to expect that number to be anywhere in the neighborhood of 100%. Maybe the UK should increase the level of payments to the French.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, the UK would be well pleased to have illegal folk leaving in rubber dinghies. 

Eh ? Its the French side and the French authorities that happily allow thousands of migrants to leave in rubber dingies and its the British rescue them at sea and bring them to the UK

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

What percentage of those illegal immigrants do you expect the French to be able to stop? It's irrational to expect that number to be anywhere in the neighborhood of 100%. Maybe the UK should increase the level of payments to the French.

100 %

The French could accept all the illegal immigrants back into France , anyone caught by the British in the sea , be returned back to France , that would stop them trying to leave in the first place 

[placeholder]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Eh ? Its the French side and the French authorities that happily allow thousands of migrants to leave in rubber dingies and its the British rescue them at sea and bring them to the UK

So your claim is that the French aren't stopping migrants from leaving France and going to the UK? Does failing to stop 100% mean that they are "happily allowing" them to leave in rubber dinghies.

[nauseus]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, so you're claiming that security climate of roughly 50 years ago is no different than it is today?

Nothing to do with what I said but that's true, I suppose. The creation of the EU has resulted in an increased security threat to the UK, member or not. The Schengen system was both poorly designed and abused.

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

So your claim is that the French aren't stopping migrants from leaving France and going to the UK? Does failing to stop 100% mean that they are "happily allowing" them to leave in rubber dinghies.

They do seem very happy to do that. don't they?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

Nothing to do with what I said but that's true, I suppose. The creation of the EU has resulted in an increased security threat to the UK, member or not. The Schengen system was both poorly designed and abused.

Let me see. First you claimed that checking passports wasn't necessary 50 years ago. And now you claim that the Schengen system is responsible. How does that work exactly? What has the Schengen system done that differs significantly from 50 years ago when passports weren't checked?

[placeholder]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

They do seem very happy to do that. don't they?

"They do seem" is your argument? Laughable.

[stevenl]

15 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The new rules were introduced two and a half years ago , why are there suddenly delays now ?

   It was the French staff not turning up for work which caused the delays and the Frenches technology broke  .

   Brexit rules have been in place for 30 months now , you cannot blame Brexit for your own Countries failings , besides , you should have measures in place to deal with any delays connected to Brexit

   

Fully staffed yesterday, even longer delays