POLITICS Trump says FBI raiding his Mar-a-Lago home

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1 hour ago, nauseus said:

I was not replying to you.

Then you should make that clear in your replies. Yours definitely didn't. 

[Slip]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Because the FBI had asked for the CCTV to be switched off and for the FBI to be alone with the safe and Donald hoped the reason for them requesting to be alone and the CCTV to be switched off wasn't because they wanted to plant something (with no witnesses or evidence of them doing so)

You are wrong.  He suggested that they may have been planting something, then in the "hopefully not" sub-clause added extra information about his opinion of that eventuality.  The meaning of the main clause stands without the addition of the sub-clause.  As you said to someone earlier- you don't get to change the meaning of our language to suit your political ends.

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 I was hoping that the FBI might like to share.

On YOUR schedule, or theirs?

[Mac Mickmanus]

9 minutes ago, Slip said:

You are wrong.  He suggested that they may have been planting something, then in the "hopefully not" sub-clause added extra information about his opinion of that eventuality.  The meaning of the main clause stands without the addition of the sub-clause.  As you said to someone earlier- you don't get to change the meaning of our language to suit your political ends.

No he did not make the suggestion that they had been planting things .

He said........................................................

 

 

"The FBI and others from the Federal Government would not let anyone, including my lawyers, be anywhere near the areas that were rummaged and otherwise looked at during the raid on Mar-a-Lago,” Trump posted on his Truth Social platform.

“Everyone was asked to leave the premises, they wanted to be left alone, without any witnesses to see what they were doing, taking or, hopefully not, ‘planting.'”

 

 

 

 

 

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Of course not typical but given the apparent divisiveness... 

Key word: "apparent"... 

 

The "divisiveness" existed - and would with or without the raid.

[Slip]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

No he did not make the suggestion that they had been planting things .

He said........................................................

 

 

"The FBI and others from the Federal Government would not let anyone, including my lawyers, be anywhere near the areas that were rummaged and otherwise looked at during the raid on Mar-a-Lago,” Trump posted on his Truth Social platform.

“Everyone was asked to leave the premises, they wanted to be left alone, without any witnesses to see what they were doing, taking or, hopefully not, ‘planting.'”

 

Once again, you are wrong.  It's hard-wired into the language.  I'm not going to get bogged down in your pedantry.  The phrase "hopefully not" expresses his opinion on the list of things he says they may have been doing.  No more from me on this.  You are simply wrong.

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, expat_4_life said:

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Very, very old news... your point? 

It is not old news, there is a long write-up of new information.

Then why did I know about it months ago? What news sorce is claiming this is new info?

Edited August 11, 2022 by mikebike

[mikebike]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

The FBI had asked for the CCTV to be switched off and for everyone to leave the area

Source other than Eric?

[Walker88]

4 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Trump CLAIMED it just by implying that it may have occurred. Look for Trump to use more definite language the minute that anything is revealed about what they found. When his lawyer repeats his insinuation it carries even more weight.

The 45 Cult machine is about a day away from going into righteous indignation mode. They use that mode to drop talking points for the cult and get everyone on board with the same narrative.

 

First, 45 will say, "Some people...actually many people...are saying the FBI probably planted evidence. I don't know; I just know I am the most persecuted person ever in the history of the United States, maybe even the world"

 

Next, his mouthpiece or one of his media minions on fox will say it like this:

 

"I don't know....I don't want to say, or I don't want to believe that the FBI planted evidence....I mean, what would that say about our country if even the FBI was part of the Deep State conspiracy...but at this point, who can doubt anything anymore. I hate to say it, but we've fallen so far as a country that I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI planted evidence"

 

While not outright stating it as fact, his mouthpieces will continue to link the terms "FBI" and "planted evidence". Once that simmers for a sufficient period of time, they'll be ready when AG presents his case, when they will then state categorically "FBI planted evidence".

 

Then 45 will foment violence in his usual backhanded way..."The American people are really angry about this, as they should be. Now I don't condone all the talk, but I can understand their frustration and why some patriots might want to use aggressive means to talk back our country".

 

 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

The 45 Cult machine is about a day away from going into righteous indignation mode. They use that mode to drop talking points for the cult and get everyone on board with the same narrative.

 

First, 45 will say, "Some people...actually many people...are saying the FBI probably planted evidence. I don't know; I just know I am the most persecuted person ever in the history of the United States, maybe even the world"

 

Next, his mouthpiece or one of his media minions on fox will say it like this:

 

"I don't know....I don't want to say, or I don't want to believe that the FBI planted evidence....I mean, what would that say about our country if even the FBI was part of the Deep State conspiracy...but at this point, who can doubt anything anymore. I hate to say it, but we've fallen so far as a country that I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI planted evidence"

 

While not outright stating it as fact, his mouthpieces will continue to link the terms "FBI" and "planted evidence". Once that simmers for a sufficient period of time, they'll be ready when AG presents his case, when they will then state categorically "FBI planted evidence".

 

Then 45 will foment violence in his usual backhanded way..."The American people are really angry about this, as they should be. Now I don't condone all the talk, but I can understand their frustration and why some patriots might want to use aggressive means to talk back our country".

 

 

You forgot to mention "2nd amendment patriots".

[The Hammer2021]

5 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

If you followed the news over the last couple of years you would know that he committed several crimes without any doubt. Why he was not charged or convicted is a problem with politics and the justice system over there.

To have just one obvious example: Obstruction of justice.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/obstruction-justice-mueller-report-heat-map

 

Oh I stopped believing  all that anti Trump  propaganda  years ago. If he had committed a crime that could be proves he would  be prosecuted. Until he is found guilty by a legal court of law any assertions about guilt are hysterical  nonsense made by political  opponents and enemies . As for the this latest raid - The Democrats  are notorious  for  using state  institutions to attack their opponents as Obama harnessed the authority  of the IR to harras people.

Biden and his son are criminals by your standards but like Trump they havent  been prosecuted.

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Oh I stopped believing  all that anti Trump  propaganda  years ago. If he had committed a crime that could be proves he would  be prosecuted. Until he is found guilty by a legal court of law any assertions about guilt are hysterical  nonsense made by political  opponents and enemies . As for the this latest raid - The Democrats  are notorious  for  using state  institutions to attack their opponents as Obama harnessed the authority  of the IR to harras people.

Biden and his son are criminals by your standards but like Trump they havent  been prosecuted.

Correct me if I'm wrong but they weren't people, they were fraudent political organisations masquerading as tax deductible charitable organizations

[Jingthing]

14 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

The 45 Cult machine is about a day away from going into righteous indignation mode. They use that mode to drop talking points for the cult and get everyone on board with the same narrative.

 

First, 45 will say, "Some people...actually many people...are saying the FBI probably planted evidence. I don't know; I just know I am the most persecuted person ever in the history of the United States, maybe even the world"

 

Next, his mouthpiece or one of his media minions on fox will say it like this:

 

"I don't know....I don't want to say, or I don't want to believe that the FBI planted evidence....I mean, what would that say about our country if even the FBI was part of the Deep State conspiracy...but at this point, who can doubt anything anymore. I hate to say it, but we've fallen so far as a country that I wouldn't be surprised if the FBI planted evidence"

 

While not outright stating it as fact, his mouthpieces will continue to link the terms "FBI" and "planted evidence". Once that simmers for a sufficient period of time, they'll be ready when AG presents his case, when they will then state categorically "FBI planted evidence".

 

Then 45 will foment violence in his usual backhanded way..."The American people are really angry about this, as they should be. Now I don't condone all the talk, but I can understand their frustration and why some patriots might want to use aggressive means to talk back our country".

 

 

He won't say he doesn't condone it. 

[Jingthing]

Just now, ozimoron said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but they weren't people, they were fraudent political organisations masquerading as tax deductible charitable organizations

You're replying to a member who openly admits he hasn't been following this closely at all. It's like debating the January 6th hearings with a Trump cult member that refuses to watch them. Basically a black hole. 

[Phoenix Rising]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

He won't say he doesn't condone it. 

You're right, because that's how cowardly traitors roll.

[metisdead]

A post with a link to a late night comedy show and the replies have been removed.  A late night comedy show is not a valid news source. 

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17 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Oh I stopped believing  all that anti Trump  propaganda  years ago. If he had committed a crime that could be proves he would  be prosecuted. Until he is found guilty by a legal court of law any assertions about guilt are hysterical  nonsense made by political  opponents and enemies . As for the this latest raid - The Democrats  are notorious  for  using state  institutions to attack their opponents as Obama harnessed the authority  of the IR to harras people.

Biden and his son are criminals by your standards but like Trump they havent  been prosecuted.

"The Democrats  are notorious  for  using state  institutions to attack their opponents as Obama harnessed the authority  of the IR to harras people."

Are you saying that this is a fact or that it's "hysterical nonsense"?

 

[ozimoron]

Trump world gripped with anger, fear and a host of conspiracies about the FBI search

A wave of concern and even paranoia is gripping parts of Trump world as federal investigators tighten their grip on the former president and his inner circle.

 

In the wake of news that the FBI agents executed a court-authorized search warrant at Donald Trump’s Mar-a-Lago residence in Florida, Trump’s allies and aides have begun buzzing about a host of potential explanations and worries.

 

Among those being bandied about is that the search was a pretext to fish for other incriminating evidence, that the FBI doctored evidence to support its search warrant — and then planted some incriminating materials and recording devices at Mar-a-Lago for good measure — and even that the timing of the search was meant to be a historical echo of the day President Richard Nixon resigned in 1974.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2022/08/11/trump-evidence-fbi-search-00050990

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, LaosLover said:

A sense of internet entitlement seldom seen outside of OnlyFans. Bravo right back at you.

Just a comment on a yet another non answer. What are you on about?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

What I find interesting is the fact that the Trump supporters here are pressing for the FBI or Justice Dept to release information but don't seem in the least interested in why Trump hasn't released the text of the warrant. Presumably that might go a long way towards explaining their interest.

It might but the FBI could have released too .... and sooner.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

It might but the FBI could have released too .... and sooner.

When was the last time the cops released their evidence prior to an indictment?

[Slip]

Just now, nauseus said:

It might but the FBI could have released too .... and sooner.

Ridiculous!  the FBI are following their procedures.  Trump could release information that would prove his implications, but he doesn't and won't.  Just like his tax returns.  

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Right. I'm sure that those incensed over the action would be placated by an explanation from the FBI.

Incensed? Never mind.

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21 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said:

Oh I stopped believing  all that anti Trump  propaganda  years ago. If he had committed a crime that could be proves he would  be prosecuted. Until he is found guilty by a legal court of law any assertions about guilt are hysterical  nonsense made by political  opponents and enemies . As for the this latest raid - The Democrats  are notorious  for  using state  institutions to attack their opponents as Obama harnessed the authority  of the IR to harras people.

Biden and his son are criminals by your standards but like Trump they havent  been prosecuted.

First off, what you don't seem to understand is that as long as someone is President, it's the Justice Dept. position that they can't be criminally prosecuted. Robert Mueller did find 10 instances where he felt Trump could be prosecuted for obstruction of justice. He did suggest that other routes were available. i.el impeachment.Robert Barr flagrantly misrepresented what Mueller found. For that, he was roundly castigated by a federal judge.

Since Trump left office has has teams of lawyers delaying the judicial process. That is his right. But it doesn't mean that there isn't a valid case or aren't valid cases to be made against him.

And as for ascribing certain standards to OneMoreFarang, even if your characterization of his standards is correct, these are also the standards of Donald Trump who has called for the imprisonment of Joe Biden amongst others.

 

 

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Then you should make that clear in your replies. Yours definitely didn't. 

It was clearly to Candide. Wake up. 

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5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

It might but the FBI could have released too .... and sooner.

Funny. You still won't forthrightly declare that Trump should release the text of the warrant. Hmmm...why is that?

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

On YOUR schedule, or theirs?

Neither, a lot of people want to know what is really going on and why.

Edited August 11, 2022 by nauseus

[ozimoron]

Just now, nauseus said:

Neither, of people want to know what is really going on and why.

A mob with pitchforks doesn't get to dictate when and what evidence the FBI needs to release.

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Key word: "apparent"... 

 

The "divisiveness" existed - and would with or without the raid.

And now it is worse.

[ozimoron]

11 minutes ago, nauseus said:

And now it is worse.

Lets look at the facts that are not in dispute.

 

1. We know Trump still has documents he holds illegally and removed illegally after 18 months of leaving office. Eric admitted it.

2. We know that negotiations to get them back have failed. Eric claimed they were ongoing.

 

What was the FBI going to do? Nothing, because it's political? Keep writing nice letters that start with please? Send a subpoena for Trump to ignore or appeal? No matter what the outcome of any such appeal, there is only one lawful location those documents can be and they aren't in it.

 

It's possible that there is a national security aspect to this as well as the requirements for such a raid require that the evidence they use be fresh.

 

I fail to see how these actions can be at all divisive. Reasonable people should have an open mind and wait for the outcome. People looking for the next conspiracy are losing their heads.

Edited August 11, 2022 by ozimoron