POLITICS Trump says FBI raiding his Mar-a-Lago home

[Walker88]

On 8/10/2022 at 2:05 AM, Walker88 said:

Chances are high something will be found.

 

 The only sorts of things that would be so highly classified that this degree of concern would be warranted would be things like clandestine asset identities, covert actions, nuke codes, special weapons systems, etc. Obviously 45 would have neither reason nor right to retain such docs, and he would know that, so he cannot claim ignorance.

I quote my own post from Wednesday. As I said then, in order for a judge to sign off on the warrant, the material sought had to be of such importance that it represented a threat to national security. If WaPo reporting today is correct, this is indeed the case.

 

We will know more tomorrow, provided 45's new effort to block release of the warrant (why would he want to block it?) fails.

 

If the material is nuke related, this is wildly significant and represents a egregious level of irresponsibility and a total lack of concern for the nation.

 

For those who do not know how seriously keeping even basic classified material secure is taken---much less nuclear material---consider this:

 

Let's say you work at CIA, in the field or HQ. If HQ, the entire property is secure and requires showing a badge to enter the grounds from Rte 123 or GW Parkway. Then to get into the building, one's badge needs to pass the scanner. Then one's branch probably has a cypher lock door. One's office might have an additional cypher lock. The computer is off when not in use, and a password is required to access anything on it. There is no thumb drive slot. There is a special signal generator to mask the sound of computer keys being struck, since the sound of individual keys can actually be read....just is case some hostile service has a laser listener aimed at the room's window (which would vibrate a certain frequency depending on the sound), though the window's too, are special and damp vibrations. Hard copy docs are in special safes, locked.

 

So getting all the way into one's office---on compound, in the building, into the branch, into the office---is not easy.

 

Still, if one so much as leaves a piece of paper with one's real name on it on the desk (if one is under cover) that constitutes a security violation. Get a few sec vios, and one is investigated, likely placed on leave, and equally likely fired.

 

The degree of difference between a real name piece of paper vs something nuke related is gigantic. Still, even minor security violations have serious consequences. Imagine something as critical as nuclear.

 

45 could be in truly serious trouble, since he was well aware he had no right to hold such material.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

"An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?"

 

Yes, that is bad, that is really, really bad.  An ex-president just grabbing nuclear documents with no oversight and bringing it along to his temple of tastelessness is beyond bad and only the most delusional would find that even remotely OK.  And how do you know how "securely locked up" it was?

 

Ahhhh.....what's even the point. This poster is clearly one of the "5th Ave supporters".

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

Another lunatic falsehood purveyed by the right wing. Russia is an exporter of uranium. Not an importer. Any export of uranium or uranium ore to Russia would have to be approved by the United States. To date, that has not happened. If you care to educate yourself on the subject, follow this link:

https://www.factcheck.org/2017/10/facts-uranium-one/

[LaosLover]

If the AG is leaking stuff about nuclear codes etc. being in the big pile, that's too much of a ramp up of expectations and a climb down afterwards.

 

They've got him, they've got him good, and miscreants like Ted Cruz are sweating that 3 PM deadline.

 

I notice the trump defenders have cleared out here, other than one abstruse worrier about stuff, you know, just left lying around -which is virtually nobody's fault, am I right?

[LaosLover]

Oh, and the judge, not Saint Fatty, gets to decide if the warrant is released.

 

Site of the inevitable trial? Fairly liberal Washington DC. Them's the breaks.

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1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

What a rational person would find alarming is that Trump and Kushner wanted to secretly send nuclear technology to Saudi Arabia. A great idea to have such technology in the hands of MbS. And this and other decisions favorable to the Saudis  I'm sure have no relation to the fact that the Saudis invested 2 billion dollars in a fund managed by Kushner.

[Phoenix Rising]

 

Merrick Garland says DOJ filed motion to unseal Trump Mar-a-Lago warrant and property receipt

 

Merrick Garland just called Donald Trump's bluff

 

Fox News host calls out GOP for attacking the FBI after raid on Trump's home: 'Whatever happened to the Republican party backing the blue?'

[LaosLover]

Just in: Trump is now encouraging the release of the warrant (but still won't show his copy).

 

Best guess: he will contest the warrant as fake, but STILL won't show his own copy.

[Walker88]

45 is quickly losing control of the narrative. Garland called his bluff in every way possible. 45 misjudged, probably never having dealt with anyone so professional and who didn't have to tell everyone how great he is.

 

The warrant was not done in secret, but rather it followed traditional DoJ policy of not making public---so as not to prejudice the public or potential jurors---the reasons or wording of the warrant. The search was never announced by DoJ nor FBI, but only became public because 45 issued a statement.

 

On Thursday, AG Garland did a few things....he asked the judge to unseal the warrant. If 45 thought the warrant was unjustified, he could have released the wording, as is his prerogative. He didn't do it, kind of suggesting it wasn't up to him (which it is), or that he knew the wording would make him look bad. Now faced with the chance the judge will unseal it, 45's lawyers are trying to appeal and block the release, as apparently 45 would lose control of the narrative and lose out on the grift.

 

Also, AG Garland noted that 45's counsel was present during the search, which obviates the chance that "the FBI planted evidence".

 

The reason the search took 10 hours is because not only was material seized, but a detailed inventory of each document was recorded with 45's counsel present.

 

Thus, ZERO chance of 'planted evidence'.

 

AG Garland for the win.

[Eric Loh]

Trump’s hard core supporters should think about placing patriotism to America than Trump. The Nuclear capabilities documents can compromise US national security if fallen to foreign intelligences agency. 
 

Documents about nuclear weapons capabilities are highly sensitive and restricted to a small number of government officials for good reasons. Details about nuclear weapons could provide foreign agencies with a road map to build ways to counter those systems. 
 

 

 

[Credo]

2 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

I really hope you don't mean that.  You have a twice-impeached President who was seriously contemplating giving nuclear information about weapons and technology to Saudi Arabia.  This was pushed by Jared Kushner and Flynn.  There is no evidence that his home is 'secure' enough for secrets that require the highest levels of clearance (Special Access Clearance).   

Do you think it is OK to steal things that don't belong to you?  Do you think when you have been asked to return it and you don't that it's OK?   

 

 

[LaosLover]

Unless he renegs on his capitalized post ENCOURAGING release of ALL (conveniently unspecified) documents before 3 PM of Friday, it's going to be a great weekend to read CNN.

 

I'm going to, you know, do my own research.

[Walker88]

5 minutes ago, Credo said:

I really hope you don't mean that.  You have a twice-impeached President who was seriously contemplating giving nuclear information about weapons and technology to Saudi Arabia.  This was pushed by Jared Kushner and Flynn.  There is no evidence that his home is 'secure' enough for secrets that require the highest levels of clearance (Special Access Clearance).   

Do you think it is OK to steal things that don't belong to you?  Do you think when you have been asked to return it and you don't that it's OK?   

 

 

The guy is barking about the long ago discredited Uranium One thing that was made up to try to hurt HRC.

 

The poster didn't get the memo, so still buys into Flat Earth-level drivel.

 

Some people cannot be helped.

[pomchop]

Trump would probably list  nuclear information for sale on ebay or offer them to his buddy putin or his lover N Korea dear leader if he could make a few million....grifter in chief, still conning $$ out of millions of kool aide drinkers.  Some people just never will admit that they have been conned for years.  Defend the indefensible and send him even more $$....Truly amazing.

[michael87]

27 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

Also, AG Garland noted that 45's counsel was present during the search, which obviates the chance that "the FBI planted evidence".

Believe nothing AG says, but show your proof. and define "present", as in the same room, estate, street, city, etc.

Trump's attorney says she was 'not allowed' to observe the FBI Mar-a-Lago search

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trumps-attorney-says-she-was-not-allowed-to-observe-fbi-mar-a-lago-search/ar-AA10wX4P

 

https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/3595526-trump-lawyer-says-fbi-teams-focused-on-three-areas-at-mar-a-lago/

Edited August 12, 2022 by michael87

[Phoenix Rising]

47 minutes ago, Credo said:

I really hope you don't mean that.  You have a twice-impeached President who was seriously contemplating giving nuclear information about weapons and technology to Saudi Arabia.  This was pushed by Jared Kushner and Flynn.  There is no evidence that his home is 'secure' enough for secrets that require the highest levels of clearance (Special Access Clearance).   

Do you think it is OK to steal things that don't belong to you?  Do you think when you have been asked to return it and you don't that it's OK?   

 

 

I've come to the conclusion that the poster you're replying to must be a troll. Only a troll would write something that inane.

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by Phoenix Rising

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I've come top the conclusion that the poster you're replying to must be a troll. Only a troll would write something that inane.

 

The ignore list is your friend.

[LosLobo]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

An ex President had documents related to nuclear stuff securely locked up at home?? Whatever next?! I wonder if he went so far as to sell our uranium to Russia? That would be extremely bad, wouldn't it.

I can see that you have your finger on the pulse of everything, in particular World Trade.

US actually imports most of it's uranium and a lot of it from Russia!

[michael87]

Do you believe inflation is zero % for July as reported by WH and Joe Biden? You may also believe the "nuclear connection" leak at the Mar-A-Lago doc stash. The DOJ/FBI raid is being gradually exposed as a fishing expedition.

 

After reading all the ill comments here about Trump, the real story is he is destined to win the 2024 presidential election and everyone including the Trump non-fans know it and FEAR absolutely NOTHING more. What else can explain the abhorrent odd, bizarre behavior and hatred directed at everything Trump, MAGA and all those 70 or 80 million Americans who support Trump.

 

Just as Joe Biden thought he had the best news ever for the public, claiming inflation is now "zero," in come poll numbers showing that the FBI raid on President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home has a bad stench to the public.

 

According to a new poll from Convention of States and Trafalgar Group, the majority of Independents, 53.9%, believe Trump's political enemies are behind the FBI Raid. They join 76.7% of Republicans who hold the same view. The two groups are also aligned on enthusiasm to vote based on the FBI raid. The spectacle increased the motivation to vote for 83.3% of Republicans and 71.7% of Independents.

Nearly three-quarters of Trump-Deranged Democrats believe the raid was the impartial justice system at work. The raid did not create as much enthusiasm to vote among Democrats, with only 55.2% saying it made a difference.

 

"Independent and Republican voters are united in their outrage about this unprecedented and tragic event in American history. It's clear to voters that the FBI raid is designed to punish the primary political enemy of the regime in power," said Mark Meckler, President of Convention of States. "This gestapo-style injustice has created a voting surge that is so significant, the polling doesn't even begin to reflect what is coming from grassroots voters in November,"

 

This Mar-A-Lago stunt is playing perfecting in the hands of MAGA much to the as expected accumulating and never ending failures of all things woke in the decay known as the liberal pathogen.

 

The "nuclear doc story" will be laughed out of existence anytime soon now and the next FBI leak will drop. Standby.

 

Focus NOT on the search warrant but instead the FBI affidavit in support of the warrant application and think back to how often the FBI lied and mislead the FISA court to illegally spy on Trump campaign. And specifically note the FBI lawyer (K Clinesmith) who was convicted for submitting altered docs to the FISA court to convince a judge to grant wiretap warrants. Not good, NEVER trust the FBI, especially when they come up with the outlandish and ridiculous "nuclear doc option" leak. 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2022 by michael87

[Phoenix Rising]

29 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The ignore list is your friend.

I don't use it as I like to get the "full picture" of a thread, even if it means wasting precious minutes of my life reading garbage.

Maybe I should reconsider.....

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9 minutes ago, michael87 said:

Do you believe inflation is zero % for July as reported by WH and Joe Biden? You may also believe the "nuclear connection" leak at the Mar-A-Lago doc stash. The DOJ/FBI raid is being gradually exposed as a fishing expedition.

If any shows how factually challenged so many right-wingers are, it's a post like this. When the statistics support your beliefs, you trust them. When not, they're fake.

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12 minutes ago, michael87 said:

Do you believe inflation is zero % for July as reported by WH and Joe Biden? You may also believe the "nuclear connection" leak at the Mar-A-Lago doc stash. The DOJ/FBI raid is being gradually exposed as a fishing expedition.

 

After reading all the ill comments here about Trump, the real story is he is destined to win the 2024 presidential election and everyone including the Trump non-fans know it and FEAR absolutely NOTHING more. What else can explain the abhorrent odd, bizarre behavior and hatred directed at everything Trump, MAGA and all those 70 or 80 million Americans who support Trump.

 

Just as Joe Biden thought he had the best news ever for the public, claiming inflation is now "zero," in come poll numbers showing that the FBI raid on President Trump's Mar-a-Lago home has a bad stench to the public.

 

According to a new poll from Convention of States and Trafalgar Group, the majority of Independents, 53.9%, believe Trump's political enemies are behind the FBI Raid. They join 76.7% of Republicans who hold the same view. The two groups are also aligned on enthusiasm to vote based on the FBI raid. The spectacle increased the motivation to vote for 83.3% of Republicans and 71.7% of Independents.

Nearly three-quarters of Trump-Deranged Democrats believe the raid was the impartial justice system at work. The raid did not create as much enthusiasm to vote among Democrats, with only 55.2% saying it made a difference.

 

"Independent and Republican voters are united in their outrage about this unprecedented and tragic event in American history. It's clear to voters that the FBI raid is designed to punish the primary political enemy of the regime in power," said Mark Meckler, President of Convention of States. "This gestapo-style injustice has created a voting surge that is so significant, the polling doesn't even begin to reflect what is coming from grassroots voters in November,"

 

This Mar-A-Lago stunt is playing perfecting in the hands of MAGA much to the as expected accumulating and never ending failures of all things woke in the decay known as the liberal pathogen.

 

The "nuclear doc story" will be laughed out of existence anytime soon now and the next FBI leak will drop. Standby.

 

Focus NOT on the search warrant but instead the FBI affidavit in support of the warrant application and think back to how often the FBI lied and mislead the FISA court to illegally spy on Trump campaign. And specifically note the FBI lawyer (K Clinesmith) who was convicted for submitting altered docs to the FISA court to convince a judge to grant wiretap warrants. Not good, NEVER trust the FBI, especially when they come up with the outlandish and ridiculous "nuclear doc option" leak. 

 

 

If the story is such a fake, why doesn't Trump release the text of the warrant?

[FritsSikkink]

On 8/11/2022 at 1:49 AM, riclag said:

 Newsweek:

"The effort to keep the raid low-key failed: instead, it prompted a furious response from GOP leaders and Trump supporters. "What a spectacular backfire," says the Justice official".

 

"I know that there is much speculation out there that this is political persecution, but it is really the best and the worst of the bureaucracy in action," the official says. "

 

Voting midterms in the USA, just went viral imop

More from the same article "In February, Archivist David Ferriero testified before Congress that his agency began talking with Trump's people right after they left office and that the Trump camp had already returned 15 boxes of documents to the Archives."

So they already had proof that he had taken 15 boxes which is a crime. Now they took 10 more boxes.

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If the story is such a fake, why doesn't Trump release the text of the warrant?

Because when it actually does go to court Trump will oppose it. This is just bluster.

[Bkk Brian]

18 minutes ago, michael87 said:

Not good, NEVER trust the FBI, especially when they come up with the outlandish and ridiculous "nuclear doc option" leak. 

If I was you instead of hysterics mirroring the truth social tweets of Trump and his right wing conspiracy theory foot-soldiers why not be a little patient and wait for the results of the investigation and the release of the warrant details, something Trump failed to do.

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4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Because when it actually does go to court Trump will oppose it. This is just bluster.

Actually he is calling for the release of the warrant. What makes that bizarre is that he's in possession of it and has every right to release it. Maybe he realizes he's in a tough spot and is hoping a judge denies the Justice Dept's request? 

[ozimoron]

What if Trump really does still think he is president? It's about time the shrinks came out and gave an honest assessment of his state of mind and fitness to serve, apart from just legal issues.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Walker88 said:

It's all over the media now.

 

"Docs related to nuclear weapons"

 

One would be hard pressed to understand why a Game Show host would need to retain Top Secret docs related to nuclear weapons. Certainly it's both dangerous to have such material at a private club, besides being a felony.

There's actually a funny irony hidden in this:

The QAnon drivel was started by a guy claiming to have a "Q Clearance", which was portrayed as a super duper top top top only the select few with access to everything everywhere clearance.

 

What a Q Clearance actually is is a clearance that gives one access to nuke related intel. It's not a big deal, but someone who works the North Korea or Iran target, or who needs to visit Los Alamos or Oak Ridge, might need to add that to his TS/SCI

You should get a job with the WP - they need more fiction writers. 

 

Meanwhile back at the ranch:

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-62512360

 

So maybe we'll get some real news later today.

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, heybruce said:

For those who can get past the paywall:  https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2022/08/11/garland-trump-mar-a-lago/

 

IF this is true, it is a really BFD.  There is no legitimate reason and no excuse for highly classified nuclear information to be at Mar-a-Lago. 

 

I'm tempted to speculate on why Trump would want such documents, but I'll wait for more information.

Speculate. Why not?

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18 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

More from the same article "In February, Archivist David Ferriero testified before Congress that his agency began talking with Trump's people right after they left office and that the Trump camp had already returned 15 boxes of documents to the Archives."

So they already had proof that he had taken 15 boxes which is a crime. Now they took 10 more boxes.

Well, they can claim it was by mistake. As staffers said, Trump refused to accept that he was going to have to vacate the White House until very late in the game so packing was a last minute thing. Although given how rightwingers called for Hillary Clinton's imprisonment, it does mark them as being massively hypocritical.