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On 8/12/2022 at 2:52 PM, richard_smith237 said:

How did I not contract covid ?

- Lucky ?

- Antibodies from a previous case (April) protected me from contracting covid-19 ? 

- Antibodies vaccination and latest booster in Dec protected me from contracting covid-19? 

- Combination of all the above ?

Thank you, you have the patience of a saint. I've long stopped "reasoning" with rabid anti-vaxxers because often as a result I became a rabid vaxxer. As variants keep popping up and become another worrisome phenomenon in our lives, all the more people should get vaccinated and keep boosting to protect themselves. Not only against the virus itself, but also the non-vaccinated all around us who are determined to either bury their head in the sands or maintain at all cost their place in covid's on-going petri dish.

 

The rule of thumb is keep boosting every 6 months, different vaccine each time if possible, wearing masks and frequent washing of hands. In the meantime let's count our blessings that the malls have re-opened, public eateries are back in business and you can take your mask off while dining there.

6 minutes ago, watthong said:

Thank you, you have the patience of a saint. I've long stopped "reasoning" with rabid anti-vaxxers because often as a result I became a rabid vaxxer. As variants keep popping up and become another worrisome phenomenon in our lives, all the more people should get vaccinated and keep boosting to protect themselves. Not only against the virus itself, but also the non-vaccinated all around us who are determined to either bury their head in the sands or maintain at all cost their place in covid's on-going petri dish.

 

The rule of thumb is keep boosting every 6 months, different vaccine each time if possible, wearing masks and frequent washing of hands. In the meantime let's count our blessings that the malls have re-opened, public eateries are back in business and you can take your mask off while dining there.

Why a different vax each time....?

Each of the vaccines targets a slightly different portion of the spike protein. There was some evidence presented by studies for the US FDA that showed an increased effectiveness in preventing serious illness. Not huge, but an increase. I believe the specific comparison was between Pfizer and Moderna vaccines at the time. 

Secondly, your immune system retains some response even if it has been longer than 6 months since you had that specific vaccine.

27 minutes ago, watthong said:

Thank you, you have the patience of a saint. I've long stopped "reasoning" with rabid anti-vaxxers because often as a result I became a rabid vaxxer. As variants keep popping up and become another worrisome phenomenon in our lives, all the more people should get vaccinated and keep boosting to protect themselves. Not only against the virus itself, but also the non-vaccinated all around us who are determined to either bury their head in the sands or maintain at all cost their place in covid's on-going petri dish.

 

The rule of thumb is keep boosting every 6 months, different vaccine each time if possible, wearing masks and frequent washing of hands. In the meantime let's count our blessings that the malls have re-opened, public eateries are back in business and you can take your mask off while dining there.

Amen, if it wasn't for the vaxers we'd probably still be in lockdown

11 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

"Science" can be bought and subverted for political motive.

Conspiracy Theory. No Evidence. True Science is developed with multiple independent high standard validations.

 

Big Pharma need watching though for profit motive ( recent anti- depressant -don’t -work scandal).

 

Another reason I listened only to western medical professors on Covid. They can’t all be subverted ! ????

2 hours ago, watthong said:

Thank you, you have the patience of a saint. I've long stopped "reasoning" with rabid anti-vaxxers because often as a result I became a rabid vaxxer. As variants keep popping up and become another worrisome phenomenon in our lives, all the more people should get vaccinated and keep boosting to protect themselves. Not only against the virus itself, but also the non-vaccinated all around us who are determined to either bury their head in the sands or maintain at all cost their place in covid's on-going petri dish.

 

The rule of thumb is keep boosting every 6 months, different vaccine each time if possible, wearing masks and frequent washing of hands. In the meantime let's count our blessings that the malls have re-opened, public eateries are back in business and you can take your mask off while dining there.

So there are no adverse effects to be concerned about with the Covid shots?

16 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 

Plenty of perfectly healthy people suffered from covid....    the healthy are at less risk than those in high risk groups, but they are not free of risk.

4 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

 

 No one has said that there are no adverse effects to be concerned about or aware of with the vaccines. 

 

What is being argued is that the ‘adverse effects’ are minimal compared to the number of people who have taken the vaccines. The adverse effects are less than those adverse effects of many suffering covid.

 

Many of the anti-vax arguments concentrate on a single facet, for example; cardio myocarditis...  which sounds horrific, its scary and yields an emotional response. However, when ‘bigger picture’ thinking, observation and analysis is taken into account the incidence of vaccine related 'cardio myocarditis’ is significantly less than that induced by Covid, or influenza... and the best one.. from drinking booze... 

 

I’ve asked this already... How many of those who are anti-covid vaccine because they are scared of something such as 'cardio myocarditis’ are still perfectly happy to go out and get drunk ???

 

Vaccines definitely come with some risk... they always have since the beginning of vaccines - VITT  for example... people only heard of that with the Covid-19 vaccines, yet it has always been risk associated with vaccines. 

 

It is only they hysteria of Anti-vaxxers which has become more prevalent. 

 

Some people don’t like being advised, told or forced what to do, they feel their rights have been imposed up. These same people would argue against crisps (potato chips) if they were ‘encouraged’ (advised, told or forced) to eat a packet by authorities / government. 

 

There is a risk of severe side effects from all vaccines - just look up any vaccine and their associated risks. There is a risk associated with putting any foreign body in our bodies.

 

All of this discussion seems to miss balance.

 

26 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

The real issue is people actually believe the myth you wrote. 

 

Plenty of perfectly healthy people suffered from covid....    the healthy are at less risk than those in high risk groups, but they are not free of risk - your implication is wrong. 

The risk for young healthy people is negligible and it is fundamental to reassert it:

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7327471/

Conclusions

People <65 years old have very small risks of COVID-19 death even in pandemic epicenters and deaths for people <65 years without underlying predisposing conditions are remarkably uncommon.

 

 

Some misleading and off topic troll posts have been removed

3 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

No one has said that there are no adverse effects to be concerned about or aware of with the vaccines. 

 

What is being argued is that the ‘adverse effects’ are minimal compared to the number of people who have taken the vaccines. The adverse effects are less than those adverse effects of many suffering covid.

 

Many of the anti-vax arguments concentrate on a single facet, for example; cardio myocarditis...  which sounds horrific, its scary and yields an emotional response. However, when ‘bigger picture’ thinking, observation and analysis is taken into account the incidence of vaccine related 'cardio myocarditis’ is significantly less than that induced by Covid, or influenza... and the best one.. from drinking booze... 

 

I’ve asked this already... How many of those who are anti-covid vaccine because they are scared of something such as 'cardio myocarditis’ still perfectly happy to go out and get drunk ???

 

Vaccines definitely come with some risk... they always have since the beginning of vaccines - VITT and 

It is only they hysteria of Anti-vaxxers which has become more prevalent. 

 

Some people don’t like being advised, told or forced what to do, they feel their rights have been imposed up. These same people would argue against crisps (potato chips) if they were ‘encouraged’ (advised, told or forced) to eat a packet by authorities / government. 

 

There is a risk of severe side effects from all vaccines - just look up any vaccine and their associated risks. There is a risk associated with putting any foreign body in our bodies.

 

All of this discussion seems to miss balance.

 

Not a strawman argument but recentering on the fundamental underlying issues.

 

"No one has said that there are no adverse effects to be concerned about or aware of with the vaccines."

Absolutely false, it has been repeated thousands of times, including on this forum and I have dozens of screenshots to prove it.

 

"Some people don’t like being advised, told or forced what to do, they feel their rights have been imposed up. These same people would argue against crisps (potato chips) if they were ‘encouraged’ (advised, told or forced) to eat a packet by authorities / government."

Typical attempt to portray those who oppose the Covid jabs as juvenile and dull-witted. The issue here is health, please refer to what I said yesterday about empirical observations.

 

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

The real issue is people actually believe the myth you wrote. 

 

Plenty of perfectly healthy people suffered from covid....    the healthy are at less risk than those in high risk groups, but they are not free of risk - your implication is wrong. 

It has nothing to do with "belief", real-world observation is key to this issue.

6 minutes ago, rattlesnake said:

1 hour ago, richard_smith237 said:

The real issue is people actually believe the myth you wrote. 

 

Plenty of perfectly healthy people suffered from covid....    the healthy are at less risk than those in high risk groups, but they are not free of risk - your implication is wrong. 

It has nothing to do with "belief", real-world observation is key to this issue.

IF your ‘real world observation’ is that perfectly healthy people did not suffer, suffer severely and / or even die from Covid-19 you are wrong. 

28 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

IF your ‘real world observation’ is that perfectly healthy people did not suffer, suffer severely and / or even die from Covid-19 you are wrong. 

Real-world (a.k.a. empirical) observations are made by actual people based on what they experience and see in their day-to-day lives. As I said yesterday, the issue is becoming so overwhelming that it can't be ignored any longer and denying the obvious is preposterous at this point.

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

I think its just a little hypocritical to accuse others of making money then produce as an example an ex nurse who also makes money from the info he shares

The issue isn't about making money, it's about publishing content promoting pharmaceutical products while being paid by the companies manufacturing these products.

https://www.sciencealert.com/how-much-top-journal-editors-get-paid-by-big-pharma-corrupt

 

How anyone can place any trust in what these publications say is beyond me.

Why? They don't work.

 

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

Loads of negative medical info about mRNA vax.

 

Why????

37 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No the hypocritical post of making an example of campbell when he himself makes money was what my post was about. 

You are comparing 2 different things. On the one hand people receiving money from corporations to promote them (conflict of interest) and on the other hand a person generating money by their own means.

 

Your point is invalid.

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No not at all. ex nurse Campbell peddles sometimes genuine info and sometimes pure misinformation on health matters for money, a clear conflict of interest:

 

John Campbell, a nurse educator in the U.K., whom we’ve written about before, also discussed the document in a popular YouTube video posted on March 9. In the video, which garnered more than 1.5 million views in just three days, he incorrectly implies that the vaccine caused the reported health problems. He also suggests Dr. Janet Woodcock, the acting FDA commissioner when the agency gave full approval to the Pfizer vaccine, was wrong to say that “millions of people have already safely received COVID-19 vaccines.”

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2022/03/scicheck-posts-misinterpret-pfizer-covid-19-vaccine-safety-monitoring-document/

It's a bit far-fetched but I see where you're coming from.

A post citing a disallowed YouTube source has been removed, along with an ensuing series of off-topic posts debating that YT content and its author.

 

12 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Nothing far fetched about a youtuber making money spreading false information on the covid pandemic:

 

Ivermectin wasn’t shown to be more effective than remdesivir, contrary to claim by John Campbell

https://healthfeedback.org/claimreview/ivermectin-wasnt-shown-more-effective-than-remdesivir-contrary-to-claim-by-john-campbell/

 

YouTuber misinterprets Covid-19 vaccine evidence on children from Singapore

https://fullfact.org/health/john-campbell-youtube-singapore-children/

 

Then on 20 January, Dr John Campbell, a retired nurse educator who has amassed a huge following on YouTube, released a video describing the figures as a "huge story" and suggested Covid deaths were "much lower than mainstream media seems to have been intimating".

https://www.bbc.com/news/60145237

 

Today's falsehoods could be tomorrow's truths, especially in these days of subsidized "fact-checking".

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well thats one way to deflect the facts I suppose but your quoting a now deleted post 

It's not deflection but a way to put this one (temporarily) to rest as we're never going to agree anyway.

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

To the contrary....

 

Bourla is age 60. Fauci is 81 and Biden is 79. The latter two especially are in the highest risk age group for severe COVID illness...

 

And yet, with their vaccinations, all three of the above individuals are still alive, AVOIDED hospitalization for COVID, and mostly had/have minor symptoms.

 

That's exactly what the current vaccines have been promoted as being capable of doing with the current Omicron variants.

 

"All currently approved or authorized COVID-19 vaccines are safe and effective and reduce your risk of severe illness.

Vaccination can reduce the spread of disease, which helps protect those who get vaccinated and the people around them."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/effectiveness/work.html

1 hour ago, BonMot said:

Why? They don't work.

 

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

Loads of negative medical info about mRNA vax.

 

Why????

No vax stops you getting C19, but are those old guys above still alive after getting vaxxed...?  ????

2 hours ago, BonMot said:

Why? They don't work.

 

CEO Pfizer 4vax has covid

 

Biden 4vax covid 2x

 

Fauci 8 think twice now as well.

 

Loads of negative medical info about mRNA vax.

 

Why????

WHY WHY WHY ?    Just no explanation that I can think of.   Millions are beginning to see .

And yet some are still trying to defend.    At least (for now )  the PTB (powers that be )  are realizing that people are going to vote them out.   And backing off ..... a bit

41 minutes ago, transam said:

No vax stops you getting C19, but are those old guys above still alive after getting vaxxed...?  ????

No vax stops it? Then it's not a vaccine is it?

 

Think that's a canard, red herring and logical fallacy there bud.

 

 

...and the younger ones seem to be dropping like fleas after a dog's tick bath.

3 minutes ago, BonMot said:

No vax stops it? Then it's not a vaccine is it?

 

Think that's a canard, red herring and logical fallacy there bud.

 

 

...and the younger ones seem to be dropping like fleas after a dog's tick bath.

Well, I could have thought of another word for a jab in the arm, I suppose....????

Do Malaria tablets, that zillions of folk have been given, stop you getting Malaria, no, they help you get through it, same as C19 jab...

13 minutes ago, BonMot said:

No vax stops it? Then it's not a vaccine is it?

 

Think that's a canard, red herring and logical fallacy there bud.

 

 

...and the younger ones seem to be dropping like fleas after a dog's tick bath.

No bud, your wrong as no vaccine is 100% effective for any viral disease, they are still vaccines however. 

 

No vaccine is 100% effective, a small percentage of people are not protected after vaccination and for others the protection may wane over time. 

https://www.immune.org.nz/vaccines/efficiency-effectiveness