Orinoco Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Would be ok, for the wife to have a go in one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Sparktrader said: Correct And imagine hackers The whole idea is nonsense Hear Hear Tell that to many posters on this forum and you will be met with derision, condensation, and 12 year olds (mentally at least) unable to form an argument to add to the discussion but instead fall back on a diagram I made when I was a child. Examples - I am from the Chinese Gov't and I am here to help you. Computers will run the world as they are superior to people. Buy a Tesla - and pay over$200 for a chunk of plastic purported to be a door handle. Today 10 year old computer controlled vehicles are being scrapped because the repair cost is more than the car is worth. Planned obsolescence at its finest. People are Sheeple Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AhFarangJa Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 These must be in Thailand already according to the video................At 13 seconds in she clearly states that you can, quote...."sit back and relax, have a snack, and take a nap"...........is that not what happens with drivers on these roads every day............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 25 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: Why do people make bad guesses? A Luddite is someone who is incompetent when using new technology. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, LarrySR said: A Luddite is someone who is incompetent when using new technology. Isnt this tech supposed to drive itself? which means the passenger doesnt actually do anything. They talked about this 10 years ago. It's an expensive dud idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Every year, cars & airplanes are getting safer and safer because…..wait for it…….computers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThailandRyan Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, LarrySR said: When the statistics prove robotic cars are safer, the technology will be mandated by governments. I’m guessing with 20 years to complete the transition from human control to computer. California just passed a bill to phase out ICE cars by 2035, guess they figure electric and self driving cars will be the norm by then....totally at a loss on the mindset of governments..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 11 minutes ago, seedy said: Hear Hear Tell that to many posters on this forum and you will be met with derision, condensation, and 12 year olds (mentally at least) unable to form an argument to add to the discussion but instead fall back on a diagram I made when I was a child. Examples - I am from the Chinese Gov't and I am here to help you. Computers will run the world as they are superior to people. Buy a Tesla - and pay over$200 for a chunk of plastic purported to be a door handle. Today 10 year old computer controlled vehicles are being scrapped because the repair cost is more than the car is worth. Planned obsolescence at its finest. People are Sheeple Toyota battery cars are junk. Cant even push them when break down. Cant put them in neutral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, LarrySR said: Every year, cars & airplanes are getting safer and safer because…..wait for it…….computers. Planes have pilots. Captain Sully anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ThailandRyan Posted August 26, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 minutes ago, seedy said: Hear Hear Tell that to many posters on this forum and you will be met with derision, condensation, and 12 year olds (mentally at least) unable to form an argument to add to the discussion but instead fall back on a diagram I made when I was a child. Examples - I am from the Chinese Gov't and I am here to help you. Computers will run the world as they are superior to people. Buy a Tesla - and pay over$200 for a chunk of plastic purported to be a door handle. Today 10 year old computer controlled vehicles are being scrapped because the repair cost is more than the car is worth. Planned obsolescence at its finest. People are Sheeple You just love the word Sheeple don't you. Anybody who thinks differently then you is a sheeple, do I have that right? The word is not appropriate for anything other than labeling a farm animal as what it is called a Sheep. Stop with the condescending and name calling by using the word. Why not use the word lemming, because you Sir are following others when you use the word Sheeple. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 10 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said: California just passed a bill to phase out ICE cars by 2035, guess they figure electric and self driving cars will be the norm by then....totally at a loss on the mindset of governments..... No thats just a co2 decision Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 13 hours ago, CharlieH said: Would you get in one of these ? Nope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 How do you program common sense into a computer? Its raining A dog runs across from the left A kid runs across from the right Another car over takes you at 140kph A car going 100kph in.opposite direction swerves onto your path and there is little room on the side of the road or a big tree and a building on right What does the car do? Brake? Hit the tree? Swerve right into a building? A good driver can make a decision to choose the best option. A computer has no idea what the best option is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Croc Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Can't see it working in Thailand. Would a computer know to hit the horn instead of the brakes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 21 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: How do you program common sense into a computer? Its raining A dog runs across from the left A kid runs across from the right Another car over takes you at 140kph A car going 100kph in.opposite direction swerves onto your path and there is little room on the side of the road or a big tree and a building on right What does the car do? Brake? Hit the tree? Swerve right into a building? A good driver can make a decision to choose the best option. A computer has no idea what the best option is. It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Currently there are 1.3 million road deaths per year. Will computer operated vehicles bring that number down? Of course. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seedy Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 (edited) 23 minutes ago, LarrySR said: Currently there are 1.3 million road deaths per year. Will computer operated vehicles bring that number down? Of course. Hogwash Only education will have a significant impact. As in ALL causes of death https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death Edited August 26, 2022 by seedy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 54 minutes ago, LarrySR said: It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about. I would say the same about you. There are equally good reasons to assume they will not be safer. No one knows how to build common sense into computers. However, commonsense reasoning is needed for an ADS to handle all the unexpected situations (edge cases) it might encounter. Without commonsense reasoning, ADSs can only handle edge cases that have been explicitly coded into the ADS software or edge cases that the ADS has been trained to handle. Accidents and traffic jams can occur when edge cases are encountered that were not anticipated by the ADS engineers. The reality is that ADSs will likely be safe for certain ODDs (e.g. a corporate shuttle that back and forth along a single street at 5 mph) but perhaps not for other ODDs (e.g. a taxi service that covers a broad geography and all weather conditions) and for Level 5 operation. https://thegradient.pub/are-self-driving-cars-really-safer-than-human-drivers/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 56 minutes ago, LarrySR said: Currently there are 1.3 million road deaths per year. Will computer operated vehicles bring that number down? Of course. Of course? No research to support your claim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 35 minutes ago, seedy said: Hogwash Only education will have a significant impact. As in ALL causes of death https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death Most deaths occur at speed. You can not program all variables into a car just like you cannot do it with anything really. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, LarrySR said: It's painfully obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Shouldn’t ADS developers be required to prove an ADS is at least as safe as a human driver for a specific ODD before allowing it out onto public roads? This lack of regulation has the potential to turn our roads into a vast experiment with disastrous consequences. (Steve Shwartz began his AI career as a postdoctoral researcher in the Yale University Computer Science Department in 1979 and has been a founder or co-founder of multiple companies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 52 minutes ago, seedy said: Hogwash Only education will have a significant impact. As in ALL causes of death https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death HUH? Wonder why the manufacturers/engineers have designed over 1,000 micro chips in every car? Ever hear of: anti lock brakes, cruise control, electronic stability control, blind spot detection, collision warning, lane departure warning, rear view video, automatic braking, pedestrian emergency braking, lane centering 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 minute ago, LarrySR said: HUH? Wonder why the manufacturers/engineers have designed over 1,000 micro chips in every car? Ever hear of: anti lock brakes, cruise control, electronic stability control, blind spot detection, collision warning, lane departure warning, rear view video, automatic braking, pedestrian emergency braking, lane centering Those are partially useful. Not in total control. They sometimes locked up and fail too. At least do some research on the topic before commenting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, Sparktrader said: Those are partially useful. Not in total control. They sometimes locked up and fail too. At least do some research on the topic before commenting. Doesn’t matter what your opinion is. Self driving cars are coming because they will be safer. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 2 minutes ago, LarrySR said: Doesn’t matter what your opinion is. Self driving cars are coming because they will be safer. 1 there are no facts to support your claim 2 there is more money in it which is why they are being developed 3 at least do some research on the topic before making strong statements 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LosLobo Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 1 hour ago, Sparktrader said: How do you program common sense into a computer? Its raining A dog runs across from the left A kid runs across from the right Another car over takes you at 140kph A car going 100kph in.opposite direction swerves onto your path and there is little room on the side of the road or a big tree and a building on right What does the car do? Brake? Hit the tree? Swerve right into a building? A good driver can make a decision to choose the best option. A computer has no idea what the best option is. There are already rain-sensing wipers. I could write you a Nassi-Schneidermann algorithm for the rest but I doubt you could understand it! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 Just now, LosLobo said: There are already rain-sensing wipers. I could write you a Nassi-Schneidermann algorithm for the rest but I doubt you could understand it! Yes I know. Detecting rain isnt the issue. Its the combination of issues 4,5,6,7 variables. How do you weight those issues in importance? Dog Child Rain Pot hole Tree Building Curve in road Car on wrong side of road You CANNOT WRITE A PROGRAM with CORRECT WEIGHTING OF RISKS FOR ALL VARIABLES. Painfully obvious people need to think about it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 14 hours ago, Sparktrader said: Computers freeze up a lot so, in a warm climate it should be fine... right as rain? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sparktrader Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 How does a computer differ between a small child and a dog? Better to kill a dog than swerve and kill a child. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarrySR Posted August 26, 2022 Share Posted August 26, 2022 17 minutes ago, Sparktrader said: 1 there are no facts to support your claim 2 there is more money in it which is why they are being developed 3 at least do some research on the topic before making strong statements National Highway Transportation Safety Administration (NHTSA) found that human error accounts for 95% of all auto accidents, therefore self-driving cars that eliminate most accidents caused by human error and are safer than humans. Are you getting it now? Humans get tired, drunk, stoned, text while driving, are easily distracted and let's be honest, a significant percentage of humans (dont take it personal) ....fall to the far left of the IQ curve chart. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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