Scott Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 File photo London (CNN Business)Russia won't immediately resume exports of natural gas to Europe through its Nord Stream 1 pipeline, worsening a shortage that threatens to tip the continent into an energy crisis this winter. On Friday, Russian state energy giant Gazprom said it would not resume flows through the pipeline on Saturday as planned because it had detected an oil leak at its Portovaya compressor station. The pipeline has been shut since Wednesday for maintenance. https://www.cnn.com/2022/09/02/energy/nord-stream-1-pipeline-turned-off/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhunBENQ Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Lying and phantasizing. But the German gas storage fills up ahead of plan. A blunt sword for the autocrat lost completely. Tear down the pipelines. 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post blazes Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Not sure whether Putin meant to do this, but he has certainly managed to expose the foolishness of German (no, Western) climate catastrophe alarmism. Good luck, Europe, in getting through your winter without fossil fuels. 7 1 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RayC Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 I'm surprised that it has taken Putin this long to take this action. Shutting down/ Disrupting gas supplies is obviously his most effective non-violent weapon against the West. 8 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Mac Mickmanus Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 13 minutes ago, RayC said: I'm surprised that it has taken Putin this long to take this action. Shutting down/ Disrupting gas supplies is obviously his most effective non-violent weapon against the West. Russia also needs the financial income from gas sales to the West 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 43 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Russia also needs the financial income from gas sales to the West And Putin needs to keep money flowing into the pockets of those propping him up. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wombat Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 with the way everything is weaponised why is this considered a strange move? sanctions aren't working with India paying its gas bill in Roubles so pay your bin in Roubles ...problem gone indigenous happy they have heat and the ability to cook. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenl Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 2 hours ago, blazes said: Not sure whether Putin meant to do this, but he has certainly managed to expose the foolishness of German (no, Western) climate catastrophe alarmism. Good luck, Europe, in getting through your winter without fossil fuels. Looking at worldwide climate events the alarmism is very justified. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Bkk Brian Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 8 minutes ago, wombat said: with the way everything is weaponised why is this considered a strange move? sanctions aren't working with India paying its gas bill in Roubles so pay your bin in Roubles ...problem gone indigenous happy they have heat and the ability to cook. Exporting large amounts of natural gas to non-European countries is not an option for Russia in the near term. Over 90% of Russia’s gas is transported by pipeline, and most of Russia’s pipelines connect to markets and refineries in Europe. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post vandeventer Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 I hear the price of wood in Germany is sky high. What are they going to burn after they run out of trees? 1 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mikecha Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 At the beginning of this year everybody buying and laughing now as they say most gas supply full for winter next year is the big question who is creative enough to fulfil the need . of course some countries have no choice so pay in Rubels others dont care so long as they get delivery. but Europe being a massive gas buyer and buy nothing think this a few billion that the Russian federation will miss Russians are survivors which ever way you look at it every war every bad winter every hot summer every crisis they still go on as nothing has happened now goverments want all to go electric the eco plan but war will break out where can i load up my car it already happens in Norway people fighting for a loading parking place No Joke i seen it the networks of cables can not cope with all this voltage they say that is extra needed 5 more years to update and then obsolete again when i was a child i remember we had open fire in the house for heat in living room upstairs no heating but many blankets in the morning you could see the frost patterns on the glass sleep with big pajama use wollen night gound to go downstairs in morning cold but in the room warm eat big breakffast go work same as work places workshops cold work harder keep warm maybe we going back to this stage again and maybe the people will get to start building immunity again instead of every small pain or fart they let go run to the doctor conclusion if less energy be creative if you cook for 1 cook for 6 and splitsame gas same amount of energy here Thailand we baught solar lights 1200 watt chargable by the sun or from the net last 9 hours full on never see for sale in Europe what a pity the cos was 22 euro life goes on i hope this grisley war from P ends and gets the world back to some normality For land or money or power the fight will never stop and the powers to be with there donkey heads nodding disagreement but acutely do nothing just bla bla actuely there are millions of Russians that suffer the cold like Europe will do but they have over the centueries found the way to keep warm have been there seen it was amazed how they do it 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wwest5829 Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, vandeventer said: I hear the price of wood in Germany is sky high. What are they going to burn after they run out of trees? Before the rise of Adolf, Germans were during German Marks by the wheelbarrow load. It was cheaper than buying wood for heat. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post wwest5829 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 At root is the dilemma and we have wrestled with this before. Shut out, isolate a regime to force it failure ... attempts on Cuba or North Korea, for example. OR, try to bring them into the international community, growing the inter-dependence so that it is in their best interest not to rock the boat too much. Both approaches have benefits and draw backs, neither is guaranteed of success. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 3 hours ago, RayC said: I'm surprised that it has taken Putin this long to take this action. Shutting down/ Disrupting gas supplies is obviously his most effective non-violent weapon against the West. Could be to do with funding his failing war.......Perhaps...???? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 3 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said: Russia also needs the financial income from gas sales to the West That's true to a degree but I would suggest Europe is more dependent on Russia in this instance. Europe needs to power its' industry and heat its' homes, and - in the short term - it cannot do so without experiencing severe disruption unless it imports Russian gas. Because of the huge increase in the price of gas, the value of Russian gas exports to Europe has remained roughly the same as it was before sanctions were imposed, despite volumes being significantly reduced. I should withdraw my previous comment about being surprised that it took Russia this long to disrupt supplies. It makes perfect sense. Unfortunately, Russia holds most of the good cards here. It's possible (likely?) that Europe can look forward to a winter in which Russia turns the taps on and off quite regularly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 4 hours ago, blazes said: Not sure whether Putin meant to do this, but he has certainly managed to expose the foolishness of German (no, Western) climate catastrophe alarmism. Good luck, Europe, in getting through your winter without fossil fuels. Actually what he’s done is expose the foolishness of relying on imported energy and on an energy source that is impacted by manipulated commodity price shifts. Its a very good argument in favor of in-country renewable energy. 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RayC Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: And Putin needs to keep money flowing into the pockets of those propping him up. To a degree. But those same people need to ensure that their depression does reach the stage whereby they feel inclined to leap through Russian hospital windows! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Pedrogaz Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Good move by Putin....should have done it ages ago. These were lost customers anyway, the sanctions will never go away in our lifetimes. Much better to hook up with China, Iran etc andante try to change the world. We will soon see arms sold to NK and Iran by Russia and China as retaliation for US arm to Ukraine and Taiwan. 2 2 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post ballpoint Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said: Exporting large amounts of natural gas to non-European countries is not an option for Russia in the near term. Over 90% of Russia’s gas is transported by pipeline, and most of Russia’s pipelines connect to markets and refineries in Europe. Exactly. While I believe this will eventually be a good thing for Europe, by forcing it to wean itself from Russian gas - at least until Russia manages to have a civilised human being in charge, it is, none the less amusing to see Putin lovers spouting stuff they know nothing about - like India paying Rubles for Russian gas. The only gas pipelines from Russia go to Europe (the majority and biggest of them), and China (small ones so far, which are already near, or at, full capacity. Even though there is work being done to build a pipeline network from Siberia to China, it is some time off being completed, let alone tested and commissioned). If gas doesn't go via a pipeline it must be shipped, but you can't just pour it into a big empty boat and call it a tanker, it must be liquified at an appropriate facility first, and then poured into specially built storage vessels on specially built ships. Russia does have such facilities in the north Pacific, but, once again, they are already running at full capacity. India is buying crude oil, tanked from Russia, but, until they either build new gas liquification terminals, or a pipeline across the Himalayas, it won't be buying significant (if any) volumes of gas from Russia any time soon. China has ramped up gas supplies from Russia, but, again, there isn't much more volume they can receive using current infrastructure - certainly nowhere near enough to replace the loss of Europe as a buyer. "China spent $18.9 billion on Russian oil, gas and coal in the three months to the end of May, almost double the amount a year earlier, latest customs data show. Meanwhile, India shelled out $5.1 billion in the same period*, more than five times the value of a year ago. That’s an extra $13 billion in revenue from both countries compared to the same months in 2021." Meanwhile, Russia stands to lose roughly €400 billion a year from cutting European pipelines. Sound economics there! *None of it on gas. Putin appears to have cut off his nose to spite his face, by cutting off his cash cow pipeline to spite the West. He obviously only cares about earning enough to continue funding his war and to hell with the rest of the Russian people's needs. Ukraine war: India, China buy Russian oil and gas worth $24 bn in 3 months | Business Standard News (business-standard.com) 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bannork Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 4 hours ago, RayC said: I'm surprised that it has taken Putin this long to take this action. Shutting down/ Disrupting gas supplies is obviously his most effective non-violent weapon against the West. So the Cold War is back. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AnotherFarang8 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Meanwhile Nord Stream 2 is fully operational with shiny new turbines on stand by. Unfortunately it will take crowds of german people running with pitchforks to convince their government to license Nord Stream 2 into operation after entire industries shut down. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 5 hours ago, blazes said: Not sure whether Putin meant to do this, but he has certainly managed to expose the foolishness of German (no, Western) climate catastrophe alarmism. Good luck, Europe, in getting through your winter without fossil fuels. LOL. Seems the "renewable energy" isn't all it was cracked up to be! Perhaps it's time for Germany to rethink nuclear- I believe they shut their nuclear plants a few years back and went for Russian gas instead. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ozimoron Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 (edited) 20 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. Seems the "renewable energy" isn't all it was cracked up to be! Perhaps it's time for Germany to rethink nuclear- I believe they shut their nuclear plants a few years back and went for Russian gas instead. The only problem with renewable energy is that despite the various green parties in the EU warning about reliance on Russia for gas instead of moving to wind and solar faster and sooner they took the easy way out. Edited September 3, 2022 by ozimoron 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 22 minutes ago, ozimoron said: The only problem with renewable energy is that despite the various green parties in the EU warning about reliance on Russia for gas instead of moving to wind and solar faster and sooner they took the easy way out. Not just Green Parties. Ronald Reagan also warned of the dangers of relying on Russia for energy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Chomper Higgot Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 44 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: LOL. Seems the "renewable energy" isn't all it was cracked up to be! Perhaps it's time for Germany to rethink nuclear- I believe they shut their nuclear plants a few years back and went for Russian gas instead. Renewable energy is the future, don’t let fossil fuel shills tell you otherwise. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BTB1977 Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 Trump warned Europe a few years ago and they laughed at him. Europe was sending billions to the Soviet union so they could build up their military. Doing business with your enemy. Guess you can't fix stupid. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 8 hours ago, ozimoron said: The only problem with renewable energy is that despite the various green parties in the EU warning about reliance on Russia for gas instead of moving to wind and solar faster and sooner they took the easy way out. Perhaps, when it comes down to it, they decided that renewables were never going to be enough, and they had to keep using fossil fuel. As I see it, the real problem was the IMO misguided decision to stop using nuclear, the currently ( IMO ) only means of providing non carbon producing electrical power in sufficient amounts to satisfy multi million populations in countries without sufficient hydro resources. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thaibeachlovers Posted September 3, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted September 3, 2022 7 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Renewable energy is the future, don’t let fossil fuel shills tell you otherwise. I have no disagreement that renewable is the future, but that future is not yet with us. IMO they should have stuck with nuclear, as France has done, till that future is a reality. Don't knock fossil fuel- it was the means by which we all live better lives than pre combustion engines, and the whales certainly benefited. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharksy Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 Winter might not be too bad - Good excuse to drink (lots) of Vodka to keep warm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SunnyinBangrak Posted September 3, 2022 Share Posted September 3, 2022 16 hours ago, RayC said: I'm surprised that it has taken Putin this long to take this action. Shutting down/ Disrupting gas supplies is obviously his most effective non-violent weapon against the West. The timing should not be a surprise. Doing this at the start of september is genius, it leaves plans to keep Europeans warm this winter in tatters and causes maximum disruption and fear. It leaves no time to build new coal or fossil fuel generators or reopen mothballed nuclear plants. If only Europeans had been warned of the dangers of relying almost solely on Russian energy imports to keep the lights and heaters on. All these government agencies around the world and literally NOBODY knew it was a dangerous situation? If anybody did warn about this danger, please accept my apology, and name the one person that raised the alarm(and was mercilessly mocked for doing so). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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