Number of psychiatric patients suffering from marijuana use appears to be increasing after decriminalization, Thai psychiatric hospital reports

[Hummin]

Anyone remember the debate about how dangerous tobacco is? 
 

Many have mental issues, and smoked weed before, but It doesnt make them any better, it just mask the mental issue as a drug problem instead. Now weed is not the problem anymore, but the mental issues they struggle with, is still there? Or not

 

And on top of that you have the new users who never did weed before and are vulnerable and should not, but still do it. 

 

Some do not understand drugs or stimulants is not their fix,  but how to convince them? It is the quick fix of everything as google says! 

[2baht]

17 hours ago, dj230 said:

Not surprised, most people I knew who were addicted to cannabis ended up with mental illnesses, hard to quit the drug once you're hooked for some.

 

Most end up suffering from some type of depression, the rollercoaster highs and lows will do that to you. 

Absolute rubbish! Fix yourself another G & T!

[jacko45k]

17 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

By that definition anything can be addictive, sex, video games, chocolate, yoga, etc. But the point is that marijuana does not create a physical dependency in the way that, say, that alcohol or opiates do. If they've seen only 103 patients, you have to figure that marijuana isn't the cause but the psychological state of the patients.

Actually yes, good point, I would very much include video games as addictive, and gambling too. Not a chemical dependency but a type of addiction.

[pedro01]

20 hours ago, Tropposurfer said:

As an actual expert in addiction;

• Folks having pre-existing (latent) comorbidity issues show marijuana use supports and promotes onset of apparent (obvious) metal health issues after they begin using marijuana.
• Data (collected over many decades now) across the world clearly shows very early i.e. (early teens or even younger) and continued use of marijuana (especially very high THC content hydroponic strains of the drug) appears to show clear, stark connections to marked increase to the risk of mental health issues in the 20's and early 30's e.g. early onset schizophrenia.
• If used early enough in childhood neo-cortex frontal lobe area brain development can be severely impaired e.g. the areas of the brain that deal with speech  can be so severely impacted that the patient can appear to be 'mentally deficient', and not just when that person is high and sedated by the drug.
• If you or anyone you know has any propensity to struggle coping in life, has other obsessive compulsive proclivities apart from e.g. gambling, alcohol, sex, or has suffered from sexual abuse or severe violence (especially) in early life then I would move cautiously when considering adding any or another drug to your system.
• I would certainly advise parents not to allow their developing-brain children anywhere near marijuana or alcohol.

Well said, the green stuff is not without risk.

 

Lung damage from smoking is very common, i ended up on asthma meds after daily smoking for 3 years and I did have a tough time sleeping at night without being chilled first.

 

Mind you, these hybrids are as likely to keeping you awake as asleep. Gotta know your indica from your sativa... Or you'll toss and turn all night...

[pedro01]

Bottom line is that every drug borrows from the future. Like booze borrows at night and requires playback in the AM in the morning.

 

And yes, i do smoke weed but way less now. No longer daily or even weekly and overall I feel way better with more energy.

[jaywalker2]

What's missing from this discussion is the many benefits of cannabis such as chronic pain relief, an aid in regulating insulin and reducing diabetes, fighting cancer, relieving depression, strengthening bones, treating glaucoma, slowing the development of alzheimer's diseases,  treating erectile dysfunction, and many others.

 

There has even been a study that found marijuana not only doesn't damage the lungs but actually increases lung capacity -- https://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/

 

It's important to realize that the pharmaceutical industry (and hence the official medical establisment) has a vested interest in demonizing cannabis. Odd that we never hear any criticisms of the use of Xanax, valium, Prozac and other commonly used drugs including Viagra, for that matter. Cannabis has none of the side effects commonly associated with these drugs but nobody is calling for Viagra or Xanax to be banned.

[MikeyIdea]

8 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

I don't know and neither does anybody else, try doing it again and see if you feel the same you can report back in 54-55 weeks  let us know how you get on????

That was an irresponsible answer, I hope you don't have any children, for their sake

Edited September 27, 2022 by MikeyIdea

[bendejo]

Wasn't it people dying from mj use a few months ago?

Now it's mental health problems.

Speaking strictly for myself smoking that stuff probably keeps me out of the mental hospital. 

Around 1970 the US Navy tried to stop sailors from smoking it by saying mj will turn you gay -- I think that one backfired on them, but it brought in recruits.

 

Studies show that smoking marijuana has been found to make otherwise normal people want to hear BTS recordings.  Yeah, I made that up, just like everybody else does.

 

 

[Photoguy21]

15 hours ago, Bday Prang said:

Funny how most doctors are busy curing people of disease and other ailments but there are always a few, who , for a fee and 15 minutes of fame (and possibly a knighthood)  , are willing to say anything asked of them. One does not have to look far for other examples of this, The past 2+ years of covid  have provided endless examples of "doctors" and other "experts" spewing out all sorts of rubbish either at the request of various administrations, to further their  various agendas, or of their own volition, for no other reason than to  to raise their social media profiles.

None of them were criticised when their doom and gloom predictions failed to come true, on the contrary most of them (in the Uk for example) were generously rewarded with knighthoods no less despite the fact that many of them had a long history of  incorrect and panic mongering predictions going back 20 to 30 years  if there was any justice the likes of Neil ferguson would be sacked and struck off

So yes it is rather amusing,  but also a bit worrying , when people start to believe everything that governments tell them just because it comes from the mouth of some politically funded / motivated !quack"

Most people entering the field of medicine do so for the money and only the money.

[pedro01]

4 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

What's missing from this discussion is the many benefits of cannabis such as chronic pain relief, an aid in regulating insulin and reducing diabetes, fighting cancer, relieving depression, strengthening bones, treating glaucoma, slowing the development of alzheimer's diseases,  treating erectile dysfunction, and many others.

 

There has even been a study that found marijuana not only doesn't damage the lungs but actually increases lung capacity -- https://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/

 

It's important to realize that the pharmaceutical industry (and hence the official medical establisment) has a vested interest in demonizing cannabis. Odd that we never hear any criticisms of the use of Xanax, valium, Prozac and other commonly used drugs including Viagra, for that matter. Cannabis has none of the side effects commonly associated with these drugs but nobody is calling for Viagra or Xanax to be banned.

Inhaling smoke doesnt damage your lungs?

 

Excessive use of weed put me on a corticosteroid inhaler, which i still have to use daily.

 

The moment the doctor put a stethoscope on my chest, he asked if i was a smoker and i dont touch tobacco.

 

The xray confirmed the damage to my upper right lung.

 

 

Edited September 27, 2022 by pedro01

[Bangel72]

Most smokers I have spoken with including first timers seem very sensible, they know it will potentially elevate their thinking to a higher level and are not sure how they will react so they aim to start in a safe environment, small doses with trusted friends.

 

Others drugs including alcohol can diminish that sensibility so new users will get caught unware and often panic rather than have a wee sit down and a glass of water. A lot of hospital reports will likely fit this category.

 

Then you have the rare cases where people may have a tendency towards schizophrenia but are not aware of it, this is in my view a bigger risk group as elevated thinking can potentially trigger and bring out dormant issues. The view seems to be it does not cause the issues but it can act as a catalyst where they already exist. FYI I am not a doctor or a scientist.

 

On rare occasions when I mix and maybe over do I trip on my medical weed. I understand this is usually not the norm, I have always heavily lucid dreamed so fairly comfortable with an awareness some things are not real so if I'm tripping I'm usually aware and flow with the trip, time travel, feeling like we had the same conversation a 1000 times or just watching the person in front of you transmorph into someone else till you are second guessing who the original is. Perhaps I should get some mental tests. Either way I can understand why someone might be freaked out a bit by tripping in general but then it comes back to safe environment, being sensible and relaxing and going with the flow. 

 

If in doubt go for some mental health checks in advance, my view is its not a good mix for those with schizophrenia until further research on this is done. It could in fact be a great early sign, allowing treatment before deteriation.  

 

 

[bang saen guy]

It would appear as the election nears that forthcoming that ganja is going to be a political issue. I think this article is all political. Consider it's source. Pattaya News is getting political. 

[n00dle]

On 9/26/2022 at 1:00 PM, dj230 said:

Not surprised, most people I knew who were addicted to cannabis ended up with mental illnesses, hard to quit the drug once you're hooked for some.

 

Most end up suffering from some type of depression, the rollercoaster highs and lows will do that to you. 

yeah, Uh huh. Sure.

[peter zwart]

But perhaps the number of mentally ill due to alcohol use is declining faster? Or are underlying mental illnesses emerging. Then that can be called positive. A worthless article based on minimal information. If you want to see what Cannabis does to a society, look at all kinds of studies in the Netherlands with a 40-year track record.
 

[Hummin]

All this available information that makes it hard to decide if this is for the better or worse ???? An important factor, weed is not just weed or «natural» anymore. It has a wide specter of different chemicals they have no clue how is affecting your body or your mind, but one thing is for sure, placebo is highly and likely a great factor when it comes to weed as well. 
 

The number of psychoses triggered by cannabis has increased significantly in Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland. - Both hashish and marijuana have become stronger in recent years, i.e. with a higher content of the psychoactive component tetrahydrocannabinol, THC, explains Eline Borger Rognli, researcher at RusForsk. Drug-induced psychosis is three times as common in men as in women, Oslo University Hospital writes on its website. - Cannabis is increasingly seen as a harmless substance, while the products are more potent than before. The increase in cannabis-induced psychosis is worrying. It has been shown that among those with cannabis-triggered psychosis, approximately one in three receives a schizophrenia diagnosis later, says Borger Rognli. This number is higher than other types of drug-induced psychosis, where approximately one in four receives a later diagnosis of schizophrenia. As an indicator for future serious mental disorders, Borger Rognli believes it is important to monitor the incidence of drug-induced psychosis. 
 

Rhe actuall 

 

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/annual-incidence-of-substanceinduced-psychoses-in-scandinavia-from-2000-to-2016/C3B39A4C692607A84C9396E53B749875

[dj230]

8 hours ago, jaywalker2 said:

What's missing from this discussion is the many benefits of cannabis such as chronic pain relief, an aid in regulating insulin and reducing diabetes, fighting cancer, relieving depression, strengthening bones, treating glaucoma, slowing the development of alzheimer's diseases,  treating erectile dysfunction, and many others.

 

There has even been a study that found marijuana not only doesn't damage the lungs but actually increases lung capacity -- https://healthland.time.com/2012/01/10/study-smoking-marijuana-not-linked-with-lung-damage/

 

It's important to realize that the pharmaceutical industry (and hence the official medical establisment) has a vested interest in demonizing cannabis. Odd that we never hear any criticisms of the use of Xanax, valium, Prozac and other commonly used drugs including Viagra, for that matter. Cannabis has none of the side effects commonly associated with these drugs but nobody is calling for Viagra or Xanax to be banned.

Smoking anything increases risk of lung cancer, you learn this in biochem 101. The whole propaganda of medical cannabis use has been long gone now, hence why cannabis stocks are all worthless. Was a good story a few years ago until they did studies and found it was virtually useless for medical use. 

 

Not surprisingly that article was from 2012 when people thought cannabis could cure every illness known to mankind and was the fountain of youth. Was great marketing. 

 

[Bday Prang]

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

All this available information that makes it hard to decide if this is for the better or worse ???? An important factor, weed is not just weed or «natural» anymore. It has a wide specter of different chemicals they have no clue how is affecting your body or your mind, but one thing is for sure, placebo is highly and likely a great factor when it comes to weed as well. 
 

The number of psychoses triggered by cannabis has increased significantly in Norway, Sweden, Denmark and Finland. - Both hashish and marijuana have become stronger in recent years, i.e. with a higher content of the psychoactive component tetrahydrocannabinol, THC, explains Eline Borger Rognli, researcher at RusForsk. Drug-induced psychosis is three times as common in men as in women, Oslo University Hospital writes on its website. - Cannabis is increasingly seen as a harmless substance, while the products are more potent than before. The increase in cannabis-induced psychosis is worrying. It has been shown that among those with cannabis-triggered psychosis, approximately one in three receives a schizophrenia diagnosis later, says Borger Rognli. This number is higher than other types of drug-induced psychosis, where approximately one in four receives a later diagnosis of schizophrenia. As an indicator for future serious mental disorders, Borger Rognli believes it is important to monitor the incidence of drug-induced psychosis. 
 

Rhe actuall 

 

https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/psychological-medicine/article/annual-incidence-of-substanceinduced-psychoses-in-scandinavia-from-2000-to-2016/C3B39A4C692607A84C9396E53B749875

well i got as far as this bit 

 

Substance-induced psychosis (SIP) is characterized by transient psychotic symptoms in close temporal relation to substance use, typically subsiding after a few days of abstinence (WHO, 1992

 

 

Sorry but I really could not be arsed reading any more, did you seriously expect anybody to wade through that?

I know I'm a pothead but its not often I suffer from a lack of motivation however I defy anybody to feel differently

Edited September 27, 2022 by Bday Prang