Biden’s APEC no-show seen as a blow to Thai government’s credibility

[Hawaiian]

On 9/30/2022 at 1:21 AM, spidermike007 said:

Some will accuse me of being obsessed. But his predecessor was an embarrassment and an eyesore everywhere he went. Not exactly a diplomat. Biden by comparison is elegant, graceful and very experienced. He will be missed. By Thailand. 

Appearances can be quite deceiving.  In Biden's case they are.  Diplomacy seldom works with the world's miscreants.  Action and not words are necessary to get the desired results.

[Hawaiian]

16 hours ago, earlinclaifornia said:

You are a FOX personified and that is true insult in itself. The totality of your bull <deleted> needs no reply respectively

You can't make this stuff up.  And Fox News is not the only ones airing this stuff. 

[Dcheech]

On 9/30/2022 at 2:45 PM, John Drake said:

once again the US is abandoning the field to the Chinese. Chinese prestige up even more in Thailand. US prestige down. That reflects on those of us living here, too.

Sounds like a realistic assessment that Thailand is Chinas ally. There is no field to abandon, the field is already Chinas and has been for some time. What could be gained by attending? Xi, will talk about not taking sides but they aid Russia as much as they can. That will not change. US support for Ukraine will not change. There is absolutely nothing to be gained by attending. Expats hopes and dreams, are not a factor in this.

 

The US VP can make an appearance.  The Thai military can ask her about getting a few F35's. A good laugh can be had by all, then break the booze out and get the party started.

[Hawaiian]

5 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's silly. American presidents are only rarely the best we have to offer. Some exceptions would be Washington and Lincoln. They are elected via a very messy process of flawed  human compromise. Hopefully though

7 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's silly. American presidents are only rarely the best we have to offer. Some exceptions would be Washington and Lincoln. They are elected via a very messy process of flawed  human compromise. Hopefully though we can avoid electing the worse we have to offer again as tragically occurred in 2016.

we can avoid electing the worse we have to offer

 

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's silly. American presidents are only rarely the best we have to offer. Some exceptions would be Washington and Lincoln. They are elected via a very messy process of flawed  human compromise. Hopefully though we can avoid electing the worse we have to offer again as tragically occurred in 2016.

 

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's silly. American presidents are only rarely the best we have to offer. Some exceptions would be Washington and Lincoln. They are elected via a very messy process of flawed  human compromise. Hopefully though we can avoid electing the worse we have to offer again as tragically occurred in 2016.

9 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's silly. American presidents are only rarely the best we have to offer. Some exceptions would be Washington and Lincoln. They are elected via a very messy process of flawed  human compromise. Hopefully though we can avoid electing the worse we have to offer again as tragically occurred in 2016.

Of course, it's silly.  But, it was Gweiloman who said it.  I was just paraphrasing his statement.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gweiloman]

41 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

That's silly. American presidents are only rarely the best we have to offer. Some exceptions would be Washington and Lincoln. They are elected via a very messy process of flawed  human compromise. Hopefully though we can avoid electing the worse we have to offer again as tragically occurred in 2016.

Hmm. Not a resounding endorsement for western style democracy is it? Let’s look at UK. Oops, same problem there. Italy? Fascism on the rise possibly?

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Hmm. Not a resounding endorsement for western style democracy is it? Let’s look at UK. Oops, same problem there. Italy? Fascism on the rise possibly?

It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.

Winston Churchill

[Hawaiian]

10 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Hmm. Not a resounding endorsement for western style democracy is it? Let’s look at UK. Oops, same problem there. Italy? Fascism on the rise possibly?

Evidently you lack a clear understanding of the reality of politics.  Most elections involve tons of money and a manipulation of mainstream media.  Of course there other factors too,  like campaign promises that are impossible to fulfill and union endorsements, both .  In the Philippines many candidates are elected for their charm and not necessarily their ability.

[steven100]

On 9/30/2022 at 11:21 AM, webfact said:

Vice President Kamala Harris would represent the US at the summit on November 18-19 in Bangkok.

I've just one thing to say about Harris ....       she's way out of her depth   !

[Gweiloman]

50 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Evidently you lack a clear understanding of the reality of politics.  Most elections involve tons of money and a manipulation of mainstream media.  Of course there other factors too,  like campaign promises that are impossible to fulfill and union endorsements, both .  In the Philippines many candidates are elected for their charm and not necessarily their ability.

Sounds like you are agreeing with me. Money, manipulation, false promises, popularity. You should learn about the meritocratic system that China employs. Would make it impossible for clowns and oranges to become leaders.

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Sounds like you are agreeing with me. Money, manipulation, false promises, popularity. You should learn about the meritocratic system that China employs. Would make it impossible for clowns and oranges to become leaders.

Lets not derail the thread by going off topic with your China advocacy when it lacks the most basic of human rights eh.

 

UN experts call for decisive measures to protect fundamental freedoms in China

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2020/06/un-experts-call-decisive-measures-protect-fundamental-freedoms-china

[billd766]

On 9/30/2022 at 3:22 PM, RichardColeman said:

Listen, since Biden is now asking where dead people are live on stage, what on earth makes them think he knows where Thailand actually is

Why would he need to know if he is not coming?

[Jai Dee]

Several off-topic posts containing petty bickering have been removed.

[spidermike007]

On 9/30/2022 at 6:41 PM, CANSIAM said:

Wonder if the F-35 stealthy fighter jet thing is still on the tables............

Likely Thailand wants them, so the general can brag, and feel better about themselves. But, I doubt the US would allow it, knowing how cozy Thailand is with China. The US possesses incredible superiority in both the air, and the sea, against China, and Russia, who are both bad actors on the world stage, with very bad intentions. Doubt they would risk giving that advantage up. Not worth it. 

[zzaa09]

8 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

Appearances can be quite deceiving.  In Biden's case they are.  Diplomacy seldom works with the world's miscreants.  Action and not words are necessary to get the desired results.

Yet, the same deluded crowd seems to completely miss [and dismiss] the terror and dominate miscreant on the world's stage. USA.

[steven100]

12 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

The US possesses incredible superiority in both the air, and the sea, against China, and Russia

Are you sure or just talking what you think is correct  ....

China Has World’s Largest Navy With 355 Ships and Counting, Says Pentagon .... November 3, 2021

China has the biggest maritime force on the globe with an inventory of about 355 vessels, according to a Defense Department report released Wednesday.

With 355 ships in its fleet, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is slated to expand its inventory to 420 ships within the next four years, the Pentagon’s annual China military report estimates. By 2030, the PLAN is expected to have 460 ships.

The 355 estimation accounts for “major surface combatants, submarines, aircraft carriers, ocean-going amphibious ships, mine warfare ships, and fleet auxiliaries,” according to the report, which covers events in 2020.

“This figure does not include 85 patrol combatants and craft that carry anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs). … Much of this growth will be in major surface combatants,” the report reads.

 

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, Gweiloman said:

Sounds like you are agreeing with me. Money, manipulation, false promises, popularity. You should learn about the meritocratic system that China employs. Would make it impossible for clowns and oranges to become leaders.

Lies and deceit are the foundation of Chinese meritocracy. 

[Hawaiian]

9 minutes ago, steven100 said:

Are you sure or just talking what you think is correct  ....

China Has World’s Largest Navy With 355 Ships and Counting, Says Pentagon .... November 3, 2021

China has the biggest maritime force on the globe with an inventory of about 355 vessels, according to a Defense Department report released Wednesday.

With 355 ships in its fleet, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is slated to expand its inventory to 420 ships within the next four years, the Pentagon’s annual China military report estimates. By 2030, the PLAN is expected to have 460 ships.

The 355 estimation accounts for “major surface combatants, submarines, aircraft carriers, ocean-going amphibious ships, mine warfare ships, and fleet auxiliaries,” according to the report, which covers events in 2020.

“This figure does not include 85 patrol combatants and craft that carry anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs). … Much of this growth will be in major surface combatants,” the report reads.

 

Effectiveness and reliability come into play here.  Having more of something doesn't necessarily mean superiority. Just look at what has happened in Ukraine. 

[earlinclaifornia]

19 minutes ago, steven100 said:

Are you sure or just talking what you think is correct  ....

China Has World’s Largest Navy With 355 Ships and Counting, Says Pentagon .... November 3, 2021

China has the biggest maritime force on the globe with an inventory of about 355 vessels, according to a Defense Department report released Wednesday.

With 355 ships in its fleet, the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is slated to expand its inventory to 420 ships within the next four years, the Pentagon’s annual China military report estimates. By 2030, the PLAN is expected to have 460 ships.

The 355 estimation accounts for “major surface combatants, submarines, aircraft carriers, ocean-going amphibious ships, mine warfare ships, and fleet auxiliaries,” according to the report, which covers events in 2020.

“This figure does not include 85 patrol combatants and craft that carry anti-ship cruise missiles (ASCMs). … Much of this growth will be in major surface combatants,” the report reads.

 

China is second to USA according to this current article: 

https://www.edudwar.com/top-10-strongest-navies-in-the-world/

[Gweiloman]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Likely Thailand wants them, so the general can brag, and feel better about themselves. But, I doubt the US would allow it, knowing how cozy Thailand is with China. The US possesses incredible superiority in both the air, and the sea, against China, and Russia, who are both bad actors on the world stage, with very bad intentions. Doubt they would risk giving that advantage up. Not worth it. 

For sure, the US has the most experience, having caused and fought in more wars than any other country in the last 70 years.

 

To the collective west, China and Russia are bad actors. To the rest of the world, the US is the bad actor. One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. All depends which side of the fence you are on.

[Gweiloman]

39 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Lies and deceit are the foundation of Chinese meritocracy. 

The big lie, the cornerstone of American politics 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-ginni-thomas-jan-6-committee-election-stolen-1234603703/

[Hawaiian]

12 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

The big lie, the cornerstone of American politics 

 

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/trump-ginni-thomas-jan-6-committee-election-stolen-1234603703/

When you are provided a link you claim it is nothing but propaganda or you are too busy to read it.

Well ditto to you.

[Gweiloman]

31 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

When you are provided a link you claim it is nothing but propaganda or you are too busy to read it.

Well ditto to you.

Rolling Stone is an American institution for the American public. How is that,propaganda?

[coolcarer]

36 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

For sure, the US has the most experience, having caused and fought in more wars than any other country in the last 70 years.

 

To the collective west, China and Russia are bad actors. To the rest of the world, the US is the bad actor. One man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist. All depends which side of the fence you are on.

The Chinese only have on side of the fence to sit on, it’s got the most extensive and sophisticated censorship apparatus in the world, among the worlds top jailers of journalists, both state and private news outlets and under the authorities supervision, no website or news outlet is allowed to provide a news service on the internet without Cyberspace Admin of China permission. The great firewall puts paid to any form of unauthorized viewing of international news or media to ensure that fence is high enough to stop the Chinese people getting unbiased news.

 

Banning of unauthorized VPN’s foreign search engines banned. Amazing China. Please don’t try to say it depends on which side of the fence your sitting when in China you are forced to take only one side.

[Gweiloman]

11 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

The Chinese only have on side of the fence to sit on, it’s got the most extensive and sophisticated censorship apparatus in the world, among the worlds top jailers of journalists, both state and private news outlets and under the authorities supervision, no website or news outlet is allowed to provide a news service on the internet without Cyberspace Admin of China permission. The great firewall puts paid to any form of unauthorized viewing of international news or media to ensure that fence is high enough to stop the Chinese people getting unbiased news.

 

Banning of unauthorized VPN’s foreign search engines banned. Amazing China. Please don’t try to say it depends on which side of the fence your sitting when in China you are forced to take only one side.

Strange. My friends in China are able to view the same sites as me. They use baidu instead of google. Are you in China or are you just repeating western propaganda?

[Hawaiian]

11 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Rolling Stone is an American institution for the American public. How is that,propaganda?

Why ask me?  You're the expert on everything.

[Hawaiian]

2 minutes ago, Gweiloman said:

Strange. My friends in China are able to view the same sites as me. They use baidu instead of google. Are you in China or are you just repeating western propaganda?

You should know.  You're the expert on everything.

[coolcarer]

1 minute ago, Gweiloman said:

Strange. My friends in China are able to view the same sites as me. They use baidu instead of google. Are you in China or are you just repeating western propaganda?

That depends what sites your viewing and yes I have friends there and also visited many times.

[Gweiloman]

18 minutes ago, coolcarer said:

That depends what sites your viewing and yes I have friends there and also visited many times.

Glad to hear that you visited many times. What did you think of the change in the country over the last 40 years? Do the people seem happy, prosperous? Or did they fear that their every move was being monitored? Did you feel that you were being followed every where you went? If so, why did you visit many times? 

[Gweiloman]

23 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Why ask me?  You're the expert on everything.

 

21 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

You should know.  You're the expert on everything.

Thank you. You are too kind ????

[Iamfalang]

Dear America,

 

You will NOT be invited to our Birthday Party.   Yes, it's in Pattaya.

 

Oh, your GDP is 17 trillion?  Well, you won't be invited to our Birthday Party next year either!!!