No need to overthink this, money can make most things happen 

 

Thus underage, grooming, abusing, trafficking, all morally wrong 

 

Old guy young female above age of consent nobody's business but theirs 

 

17 minutes ago, seedy said:

Again - Who decides ?

 

War, famine, pestilence, greed - all been around since there were more than 1 person on Earth.

 

So 'Morality' ain't been doing a very good job has it ?

I believe it have done a great job, because most people do not become what I mentioned in my reply. Most people behave, know whats wrong and right, and also know what the society will punish them with if they step outside of the norm, and we also have institutions that is ment to protect us, care for us, support us and handle critical happenings and situations on behalf of us. 
 

We do not have physical slavery anymore, right? We are not allowed to kill the neighbour right, even he deserves t, you will be punished. 
 

So in the big picture it is working, but some individuals always manage to manipulate the system, and thats the majority responsibilities to makecsure is not happening. Meaning you and me and everyone else.

 

When you let politicians lead you who you know is no good, act religious with high standards, but you know it is not true, have no moral, no ethical standard, who make promises he will do great things with tools you know is not right, you are responsible if you vote  for this person. 
 

The funny part, we put trust in leaders, and think they take responsibility if it goes wrong, but if you execute an order, and it is morally wrong, you ending taking the responsibility even you where forced to do it by someone higher than you. So again, no matter we are responsible for our actions, as well keep our leaders morally responsible, and thats where the real problem is.

On 10/4/2022 at 9:00 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

I wonder how many of the people here who criticize young girl old guy relationships have any experience with them or at least a friend or two who is in such a relationship.

 

By now my gf is already a little older but she was pretty young (and legal) when we got together. I was proud of my cute girlfriend and treated her like a princess. And she liked the idea to be treated like a princess. And obviously lots of her friends were jealous that she didn't have to work and has a sponsor.

Would she have been happier with a young guy her own age? Maybe. But if that guy would be a Thai guy, then it is unlikely that he would make much money at that age. That means not much money for holiday and nice food and going out and spending money - having fun.

 

It is up to each girl what she does. Some like older guys who have the money to take care of them and others like a bf and work. Or maybe both at the same time. It's their choice and not all people think the same what they want to do with their life. 

It's an interesting topic. I think it is reasonable for people to cast judgement as they see fit in life and an older man with a young girl is ripe for the picking. Think of it as a challenge to prove them wrong. You might feel you don't need to, but we all face situations of having to prove ourselves, and this is one more.

You seem like a youngish guy in terms of being somewhat open to new ideas, a sense of humour, and hopefully you can give her some fun as well as money. The money though itself is important in that you give her enough money to feel free and breathe and live a good life. As long as you do that you are halfway there.

The other half is tricky - is she happy with you as a man and that you are seeing other women and that you don't want kids. If you feel you can deal with that too and be fairly open, and she is till happy and she can be herself most of the time, then it is hopefully as real a relationship as others. No relationship is perfect and you, no more than others, have to be perfect.

Having married a 21 year old at 39 I can see that I did some average things here and there but hopefully mainly good things. Now she is happy confident lady with her own business.

19 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

It's an interesting topic. I think it is reasonable for people to cast judgement as they see fit in life and an older man with a young girl is ripe for the picking. Think of it as a challenge to prove them wrong. You might feel you don't need to, but we all face situations of having to prove ourselves, and this is one more.

You seem like a youngish guy in terms of being somewhat open to new ideas, a sense of humour, and hopefully you can give her some fun as well as money. The money though itself is important in that you give her enough money to feel free and breathe and live a good life. As long as you do that you are halfway there.

The other half is tricky - is she happy with you as a man and that you are seeing other women and that you don't want kids. If you feel you can deal with that too and be fairly open, and she is till happy and she can be herself most of the time, then it is hopefully as real a relationship as others. No relationship is perfect and you, no more than others, have to be perfect.

Having married a 21 year old at 39 I can see that I did some average things here and there but hopefully mainly good things. Now she is happy confident lady with her own business.

Thanks

In a way I think old man young girl relationships are in some way similar to father/daughter relationship - obviously apart from the intimate part.

Every father takes care of his daughter. He protects her, gives her advice, maybe buys her a new phone, etc. And many guys with a young gf do the same.

And in both cases, these are two adults. If the father or boyfriend gives the girl advice that does not mean she has to do what he tells her. I.e. maybe he advises her not to get drunk. And maybe she gets drunk, i.e. on a birthday party with her friends. And then it's up to guy/girl to maybe talk about that issue or accept the situation or to go different ways.

And about the issue with wanting kids: I never wanted kids. My gf knows that. She would have preferred to have kids. She could have decided to leave me and look for a guy who also wants kids. I wouldn't have hold her back. She didn't look for another guy to have kids, so it seems all in all she is happy enough with me. And I think happy enough is the realistic part. I don't think there are any 100% happy and 100% compatible couples. There are always some differences and compromises. And if the differences are too big then the people separate and go different ways. That's life.

 

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

We do not have physical slavery anymore, right? We are not allowed to kill the neighbour right, even he deserves t, you will be punished.

Slavery - happens all the time, in every country, everywhere.

Think Economic slavery is not slavery ? Thinking forcing children to work so they can eat is not slavery ?

Kill your neighbor - have you seen the state of the world ?

People are killing each other all the time, and have been for all time.

Look at Syria, Palestine, Ukraine, ... Just a few examples of a much broader picture that includes most all of Africa.

And if the world is so "Moral" why do such things still happen ?

With all the much vaulted laws to protect people, who protects 66% of the world ?

Answer - No One. Reason - there is no money in it.

There is your 'Morality'

8 minutes ago, seedy said:

Slavery - happens all the time, in every country, everywhere.

Think Economic slavery is not slavery ? Thinking forcing children to work so they can eat is not slavery ?

Kill your neighbor - have you seen the state of the world ?

People are killing each other all the time, and have been for all time.

Look at Syria, Palestine, Ukraine, ... Just a few examples of a much broader picture that includes most all of Africa.

And if the world is so "Moral" why do such things still happen ?

With all the much vaulted laws to protect people, who protects 66% of the world ?

Answer - No One. Reason - there is no money in it.

There is your 'Morality'

Read physical slavery, and read my post in the light of the world is much better for individuals than it used to be. 
 

As much we both have right, I like to look at it more positive as said on individual for each and one of us coming from the west. 
Yes we exploit, but as said in my previous we let it happen out of many reasons. One is to be on top economic, so we can secure our safety, and that involves keeping the conflicts away from our borders. Nothing new and been practiced on a bigger scale since before Alexander the great, and I believe he maximized that concept. 
 

Would you like to live in tribes as monkeys do? You see how animals practice their morally hierarchy. We are animals, do not forget that. 

17 minutes ago, seedy said:

Slavery - happens all the time, in every country, everywhere.

Think Economic slavery is not slavery ? Thinking forcing children to work so they can eat is not slavery ?

Kill your neighbor - have you seen the state of the world ?

People are killing each other all the time, and have been for all time.

Look at Syria, Palestine, Ukraine, ... Just a few examples of a much broader picture that includes most all of Africa.

And if the world is so "Moral" why do such things still happen ?

With all the much vaulted laws to protect people, who protects 66% of the world ?

Answer - No One. Reason - there is no money in it.

There is your 'Morality'

Its not up to your Country to impose rules, laws and morals onto other Countries .

   What goes on in Africa is none of our business 

Lets hear what a younger female says .........

 

 

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Its not up to your Country to impose rules, laws and morals onto other Countries .

   What goes on in Africa is none of our business 

He can have an opinion. If some countries mutilate women at puberty say, as some still do or have in the recent past, would you agree that's not acceptable and it might be good to take steps to educate and suggest. Not talking war.

If an African country is slaughtering their people countries have a right to have an opinion and use influence, aid, etc, to reward good behaviour and punish bad behaviour. The world isn't in the Star Trek universe. 

I hear you saying who are we to judge, and it can be a slippery slope, and it would in fact be better to do nothing if there is doubt, but at some point I think some things go beyond being cultural and or being none of our business and are clearly right or wrong. Countries should have clear open guidelines on how action might be taken and I am still not talking war. 

 

12 minutes ago, Black Ops said:

Lets hear what a younger female says .........

 

 

To small and to fast to be able to read ????????

17 minutes ago, Black Ops said:

Lets hear what a younger female says .........

 

Her idea of older men and our hopeful idea might be different. 

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

He can have an opinion. If some countries mutilate women at puberty say, as some still do or have in the recent past, would you agree that's not acceptable and it might be good to take steps to educate and suggest. Not talking war.

If an African country is slaughtering their people countries have a right to have an opinion and use influence, aid, etc, to reward good behaviour and punish bad behaviour. The world isn't in the Star Trek universe. 

I hear you saying who are we to judge, and it can be a slippery slope, and it would in fact be better to do nothing if there is doubt, but at some point I think some things go beyond being cultural and or being none of our business and are clearly right or wrong. Countries should have clear open guidelines on how action might be taken and I am still not talking war. 

 

Who makes the rules though ?

Who says whether Male circumcision is allowable and acceptable  or not ?

   Who says whether the death penalty should be allowable or not ?

  Who decides whether its acceptable for one Country to invade another Country ?

We have seen all too often what the 'Morality Police' do in strict Islamic countries.

Easy to see what the Far Religious right - more 'Morality Police' - wants to have happen in the USA.

As I asked before - who decides ?

I had high hopes for UN when it was instituted, but more of the same old same old.

The Golden Rule applies in all affairs between 2 or more people - whoever has the gold makes the rules.

It was, is, and forever shall be thus.

 

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Who makes the rules though ?

Who says whether Male circumcision is allowable and acceptable  or not ?

   Who says whether the death penalty should be allowable or not ?

  Who decides whether its acceptable for one Country to invade another Country ?

Rules are made by elected politicians. They get voted out if they don't do the people's bidding. Imperfect. Sometimes corrupted. A lot of stupid or uneducated voters. But where we have got in countries like Australia is something to be proud of in my opinion. Checks and balances. 

We could keep our noses out full stop.  Neighbor beats wife. Not my business. Rohinghya slaughtered in Myanmar. Not our business.

There's good reason to be cynical about motivations, even my own sometimes, but to say none of our business as a 100 per cent non negotiable proposition is not OK by me as it happens. 

 

42 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

He can have an opinion. If some countries mutilate women at puberty say, as some still do or have in the recent past, would you agree that's not acceptable and it might be good to take steps to educate and suggest. Not talking war.

If an African country is slaughtering their people countries have a right to have an opinion and use influence, aid, etc, to reward good behaviour and punish bad behaviour. The world isn't in the Star Trek universe. 

I hear you saying who are we to judge, and it can be a slippery slope, and it would in fact be better to do nothing if there is doubt, but at some point I think some things go beyond being cultural and or being none of our business and are clearly right or wrong. Countries should have clear open guidelines on how action might be taken and I am still not talking war. 

 

It is a complicated matter, because we with one hand take their resourches, give the aid (often bride) make bilateral agreements and tell them to stop mutilate their women and implement democratic rules for voting and government rule. Same with countries in the emirates, we accept alot from them even slavery, and worst of all reward them with world cup as well Olympics in China of all, where it should not be possible to host such events thinking of resourches needed and the impact it have on the environment. 
 

Stupid as eating bull pie
 

 

Just now, Hummin said:

It is a complicated matter, because we with one hand take their resourches, give the aid (often bride) make bilateral agreements and tell them to stop mutilate their women and implement democratic rules for voting and government rule. Same with countries in the emirates, we accept alot from them even slavery, and worst of all reward them with world cup as well Olympics in China of all, where it should not be possible to host such events thinking of resourches needed and the impact it have on the environment. 
 

Stupid as eating bull pie
 

 

I agree. So many contradictions. But still you have to hope there is some goodness and smarts out there to make good and smart decisions. 

4 minutes ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I agree. So many contradictions. But still you have to hope there is some goodness and smarts out there to make good and smart decisions. 

I prefer to look at is an gate opener, even it as it is. Can not give up the hope for a better future, same as all our ancestors fighted for with good intentions even some of the reasons was wrong.