Thailand believes condemnation will reduce chances of resolving conflict in Ukraine

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, dukebowling said:

Good for Thailand.  Sensible to stay neutral.  

 

Russia is villified for trying to stabilize its neighbor. They are further justified by the threat of the western funded Biolabs discovered.

 

Referendums confirm what the people want.  The 30% that didn't vote could be considered a no vote because of Ukraine's threat to persecute anyone who votes. This still is a landslide in favor of Russia.  

 

Ukraine was badly divided anyway - West was Nazi aligned, East was Russia aligned.

 

Globalist have to create a fictional story because anywhere there are oil resources, the deep state corruption will follow.

 

Yea the bio labs, freaky stuff, you forgot to add the rest of the accusations that beefed the evidence up a bit though. Such as the  claim the Russian army is up against biologically modified mutant Ukrainian super soldiers, or their training of birds to carry pathogens into Russia. Or they created Covid-19.

 

All went down very well with right wing nutters on Truth Social and QAnon so must be true.

[vandeventer]

On 10/14/2022 at 6:25 AM, Rig Pig said:

Shameful, what an embarrassment!!

Putin has lost and he must give up, his generals must take over and end this aggresion of Ukraine.

[paul1804]

Lies, lies & more lies, Thailand doesnt for 1 minute believe that. They want to sit on the fence so they will not be disadvantaged in any way, especially financially!! The Russian corruption machine means Thailand can easily do deals with Russia where as countries with more transparency & morals will not.  By not openly condemning the invasion means Thailand are well placed to benefit much like Burma & North Korea, China to a lesser extent!!

[chilly07]

Thailand sucking up to dictators because they need to keep China at arm's length whilst enjoying  their money, need to get discounted oil from Russia,  need Russian and Chinese  Tourists,  and oh yes Thailand has a pretend democracy too! 

[mberbae]

We already know the price of innocent lives have a

minuscule price tag here.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts and the replies have been removed.

[Lacessit]

11 hours ago, dukebowling said:

Good for Thailand.  Sensible to stay neutral.  

 

Russia is villified for trying to stabilize its neighbor. They are further justified by the threat of the western funded Biolabs discovered.

 

Referendums confirm what the people want.  The 30% that didn't vote could be considered a no vote because of Ukraine's threat to persecute anyone who votes. This still is a landslide in favor of Russia.  

 

Ukraine was badly divided anyway - West was Nazi aligned, East was Russia aligned.

 

Globalist have to create a fictional story because anywhere there are oil resources, the deep state corruption will follow.

 

A couple of inconvenient facts:

 

Stalin killed about 6 million Ukrainians during the Holodomor of 1932 -33, and replaced them with Russians, mainly in the Donbas and Luhansk regions. Theft of the richest Ukrainian soil by stealth.

 

When the Nazis invaded during World War II, they were greeted as heroes. Kyiv surrendered without firing a shot. The Ukrainians very quickly found out being trampled by a German right-wing jackboot was no different to a Russian left-wing jackboot. It did give a succession of Soviet leaders the convenient label of Nazis for a country that simply wanted to be shot of both versions of tyranny.

 

History is written by the winners. It is novel Russia is attempting to rewrite history on social media via an army of trolls. Make no mistake, Russia is losing. Badly. Poorly trained and led troops, with lousy logistics, are being slaughtered on the battlefield.  It's a pariah state with a ruined economy. With its size and resources, it should be one of the most prosperous nations on the planet.

 

I don't know which is more depressing, the lies you are posting, or the thought you may actually believe them.

[bobbin]

28 minutes ago, JimmyJ said:

Julian Assange.

 

Does Russia have allies imprison journalists in maximum security prisons who are neither Russian citizens nor citizens of the country imprisoning  them, because they exposed Russian.war crimes?

 

 

That situation is still in play..

 

But it's not a good look for USA.

 

However.. Russia is indiscriminately targeting civilians.. in the so-called Russian majority areas of Ukraine. Toxic love..

 

Away with ye, Russian apologist... unless you are actually Russian, in which case you are flying a false flag and your bias is understandable..

[loveushorttime]

What a joke. They must be pandering to Putin, due to the fact he said he is coming to the APEC summit in Bangkok next month.

[mark131v]

20 hours ago, dukebowling said:

Good for Thailand.  Sensible to stay neutral.  

 

Russia is villified for trying to stabilize its neighbor. They are further justified by the threat of the western funded Biolabs discovered.

 

Referendums confirm what the people want.  The 30% that didn't vote could be considered a no vote because of Ukraine's threat to persecute anyone who votes. This still is a landslide in favor of Russia.  

 

Ukraine was badly divided anyway - West was Nazi aligned, East was Russia aligned.

 

Globalist have to create a fictional story because anywhere there are oil resources, the deep state corruption will follow.

 

Blimey, that is a whole lot of undiluted <deleted>!

 

I suggest you get yourself back to the Motherland and grab yourself an AK and get your <deleted> over to Ukraine to fight the good fight with your comrades, don't forget to take some trainers with you for when you need to do a runner though...  

[plus7]

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea the bio labs, freaky stuff, ...

Here you can see how it was before the war in 2014. People in Ukraine blocks ukranian (!) tanks and want separation after the coup.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Here you can see how it was before the war in 2014. People in Ukraine blocks ukranian (!) tanks and want separation after the coup.

 

 

All I see are the Ukraine military not hurting civilians and nothing to do with the bio labs points I took up with the poster. Maybe you can share a video of the mutant Ukraine soldiers or the pathogen infected birds ready to fly over the borders to Russia?

[CWMcMurray]

On 10/14/2022 at 6:10 AM, Andycoops said:

Clearly you are as insane as putin.

No matter how long any war lasts, all wars eventually must end via peace talks. 

Given the current strong military  push by Ukraine, in my opinion, now is the best time to start negotiations 

[plus7]

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

All I see are the Ukraine military not hurting civilians and nothing to do with the bio labs points I took up with the poster. Maybe you can share a video of the mutant Ukraine soldiers or the pathogen infected birds ready to fly over the borders to Russia?

Your opponent in this topic mentioned referendum and you laughed at him as he said something freaky.

Here I gave you (it was hard to find) some proof that referendum had some reasons in ground. At least it is not something to laugh at.

 

Those solders aren't doing anything because it is yet 2014 and there are no special squads. Besides, there is a cameramen from UK. What do you expect?

In February, russian soldiers behave the same in Kiev direction. Locals tried to stop them with bare hands without any consequences.

 

About bio labs: I wonder why you laugh too. There are videos where US representative confirms they were a part of pentagon project or something like this. Please save my time, and search it yourself if you're interested.

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, CWMcMurray said:

No matter how long any war lasts, all wars eventually must end via peace talks. 

Given the current strong military  push by Ukraine, in my opinion, now is the best time to start negotiations 

Zelensky has said he is willing to negotiate with any Russian leader except Putin. And who can blame him, given the number of times Putin has reneged on commitments?

[Bkk Brian]

39 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Your opponent in this topic mentioned referendum and you laughed at him as he said something freaky.

Here I gave you (it was hard to find) some proof that referendum had some reasons in ground. At least it is not something to laugh at.

 

Those solders aren't doing anything because it is yet 2014 and there are no special squads. Besides, there is a cameramen from UK. What do you expect?

In February, russian soldiers behave the same in Kiev direction. Locals tried to stop them with bare hands without any consequences.

 

About bio labs: I wonder why you laugh too. There are videos where US representative confirms they were a part of pentagon project or something like this. Please save my time, and search it yourself if you're interested.

You need to sort out what my topic was, then you may have some idea of what I was responding to, ie the bio labs conspiracy which is indeed laughable:

 

It was a lurid and difficult to believe claim: that Ukraine was developing biological weapons with the assistance of the U.S. government, in fact, U.S. assistance to Ukrainian biological labs has been targeted at strengthening public health measures, both the U.S. and Ukraine have also signed a treaty vowing never to produce or use biological weapons.

But unlike most Russian efforts to spread false narratives justifying its invasion of Ukraine, this one found a receptive audience in the United States among far-right social media channels, Fox News and followers of the QAnon conspiracy theory.

 

Biological Threat Reduction Program

https://ua.usembassy.gov/embassy/kyiv/sections-offices/defense-threat-reduction-office/biological-threat-reduction-program/

 

Russia has accused Ukraine and the US at the UN security council of a plot to use migratory birds and bats to spread pathogens

 

Russian lawmakers have accused Ukraine of using “mutant” soldiers, supposedly created in a U.S. operated biological laboratory, to fight off Russian soldiers

 

Russia even brought these claims to the UN Assembly with no evidence:

No evidence Ukraine has biological weapons, UN says following Russian accusation | FULL

The UN Security Council met at Russia's request on Friday to discuss what Moscow claims are "the military biological activities of the U.S. on the territory of Ukraine."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrYwtS-ENps

 

Your video by the way shows nothing of the situation back in 2014 aside from what the reporter said, filmed and witnessed which was the Ukraine military going to engage "terrorists" but were blocked by a group of civilians so stopped & no that's nothing like 24th Feb in Kyiv.

 

Edited October 16, 2022 by Bkk Brian

[plus7]

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your video by the way shows nothing of the situation back in 2014 aside from what the reporter said, filmed and witnessed which was the Ukraine military going to engage "terrorists" but were blocked by a group of civilians so stopped & no that's nothing like 24th Feb in Kyiv.

True, true, this is because those "terrorists" were not really a terrorists, but civilians (supported by Russia). Thank you for taking it in quotes.

I also admit that Russia would also suppress its own separatists.

 

I don't think US developed a weapon right there, but gathered information, maybe made experiments. Which itself is a part of US biological weapon project. Just like covid virus in Wuhan. I don't have enough competence to make conclusion about birds with plague or something. May be it is also possible.

 

What I'm trying to say that you and others present a difficult situation in such "simple" and "obvious" ways, like Putin is evil, Russia is the only aggressor, nobody needs protection from Kiev and so on.

 

I see it as a part of history where everything repeating, where each party (yes, each) has own truth.

You may have noticed my recently activity, but I feel like I need to object to utterly pro-Ukraian posts and remind to public that things are not obvious, something happened in the history of your home countries and so on.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, plus7 said:

True, true, this is because those "terrorists" were not really a terrorists, but civilians (supported by Russia). Thank you for taking it in quotes.

I also admit that Russia would also suppress its own separatists.

 

I don't think US developed a weapon right there, but gathered information, maybe made experiments. Which itself is a part of US biological weapon project. Just like covid virus in Wuhan. I don't have enough competence to make conclusion about birds with plague or something. May be it is also possible.

 

What I'm trying to say that you and others present a difficult situation in such "simple" and "obvious" ways, like Putin is evil, Russia is the only aggressor, nobody needs protection from Kiev and so on.

 

I see it as a part of history where everything repeating, where each party (yes, each) has own truth.

You may have noticed my recently activity, but I feel like I need to object to utterly pro-Ukraian posts and remind to public that things are not obvious, something happened in the history of your home countries and so on.

 

 

Oh please, 2014:

 Russia took advantage of them to launch a coordinated political and military campaign against Ukraine.[64] Russian citizens led the separatist movement in Donetsk from April until August 2014, and were supported by volunteers and materiel from Russia.[65][66][67] As the conflict escalated in May 2014, Russia employed a "hybrid approach", deploying a combination of disinformation, irregular fighters, regular Russian troops, and conventional military support to destabilize the Donbas.

 

As for the rest of your thoughts, you provide just that, thoughts and no evidence, I stick to facts and opinions based on those. Feel free to ask me any opinions based on those and I'll gladly respond.

 

 

[plus7]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Oh please, 2014:

 Russia took advantage of them to launch ...

As for the rest of your thoughts, you provide just that, thoughts and no evidence, I stick to facts and opinions based on those. Feel free to ask me any opinions based on those and I'll gladly respond.

Yes, yes, I agree with all from the above until you give assessment of what is happening one-sidedly.

West supports one separatists (Chechnya, Kosovo for example) and doesn't like another ones depending on their own interest in the region.

But I admit this too as this is the part of history and nothing really changed since 100 years ago.

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, plus7 said:

Yes, yes, I agree with all from the above until you give assessment of what is happening one-sidedly.

West supports one separatists (Chechnya, Kosovo for example) and doesn't like another ones depending on their own interest in the region.

But I admit this too as this is the part of history and nothing really changed since 100 years ago.

 

You agree with it after you are faced with evidence, before that you claim something else. 

 

The rest of your post is off topic unless you want to also bring in Russian support for separatists in other countries as well?

[plus7]

6 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You agree with it after you are faced with evidence, before that you claim something else.

The rest of your post is off topic unless you ....

Excuse me, but a good half of your posts is offtopic too, to be exact. This topic is called "Thailand believes condemnation will reduce chances of resolving conflict in Ukraine".

I don't want to waste your time (to  search proofs), but I didn't claimed anything contradictory. Not sure what you mean by "bringing support", "other countries", huh ? Unlike your posts, my posts are replies to your(and others) one-sided offtopical posts. I don't call your messages "propagandistic", because you're not a propagandist, but a kind guy, maybe with Ukrainian wife (now or on the past), without actual historical background on the situation. You do it from the heart naively.

 

Ontopic: I agree with Thailand's position on the situation, it should decide and act on its own interests and it is not cowardness.

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, plus7 said:

Excuse me, but a good half of your posts is offtopic too, to be exact. This topic is called "Thailand believes condemnation will reduce chances of resolving conflict in Ukraine".

I don't want to waste your time (to  search proofs), but I didn't claimed anything contradictory. Not sure what you mean by "bringing support", "other countries", huh ? Unlike your posts, my posts are replies to your(and others) one-sided offtopical posts. I don't call your messages "propagandistic", because you're not a propagandist, but a kind guy, maybe with Ukrainian wife (now or on the past), without actual historical background on the situation. You do it from the heart naively.

 

Ontopic: I agree with Thailand's position on the situation, it should decide and act on its own interests and it is not cowardness.

 

You may want to follow the string of posts I was responding to before accusing me of being off topic rather than trying to bring in "Chechnya, Kosovo" into the mix.

 

As for your opinion on Thailand's decision, good for you. I would expect nothing less based on your previous posts.

[bobbin]

plus7

 

I've been reading your posts today and I feel you are someone with whom I could engage..

 

Several of your points are legitimate to my knowledge. History in that area did not start yesterday or last year.. Stalin was admitted ( after his passing) by Russians to have been cruel to many, ethnic minorities and Russians alike. Perhaps only his status as Russia's wartime leader allowed him to die a natural death..

 

Before I continue, my ex-wife was 3rd generation Ukrainian-Canadian on her father's side. I have 1st cousins with the same heritage. It was always a Ukrainian heritage, never a Russian one.

 

Canada has a large number of citizens with the same background, the result of a large number of Ukrainian farmers who left Czarist Russian. They located in the Prairie regions as farmers and added greatly to Canada's economic well-being, to this day.

 

0ukraine is a sovereign Nation, by her own declaration, a fact which is recognized by all nations.

 

Ukrainians and and Russians are 1st cousins. Why unleash this misery on them?

To seize economically important areas of Ukraine? This is not a "special operation".  It's a naked land grab. Parts of Ukraine severed and incorporated into Russia.

 

The rest of Europe sees what is happening right in front of their eyes and freely offers materiel support and probably intelligence assessments provided by several democratic countries..

 

For Russia this is another quagmire like Afghanistan and likely , in best case scenario, to result in a similar withdrawal.

 

More available but not now..

[connda]

Wise decision.  Stay neutral and trade.

[spidermike007]

In other words, we believe condemnation would increase the risk to Thailand. We believe that by not criticizing Russia's genocide against women and children, they will be nice to us. And morality does not factor into the equation, as the administration is controlled by the army here. Enough said. 

[Rhys]

Ngahh.. . both sides both ends of CYA

 

[billd766]

On 10/14/2022 at 8:26 PM, nausea said:

Basically, Thailand has no interest in pi@#ing off, China, India, Russia, or the USA. Talk about stuck between a rock and a hard place.

But it is the choice of this government and not necessarily that of the Thai people.

 

On 10/14/2022 at 8:33 PM, nausea said:

The human cost in Ukraine is on humongous levels. Will someone please say stop. 

Easy to say, but not so easy to do.

 

Of course the invader, Putin, could admit that he has lost, surrender, and pull out from ALL Russian occupied Ukraine including the Crimea, Donbass etc and pay reparations.

 

It could happen but NOT under Putin.

[metisdead]

Off topic posts, troll posts and the replies have been removed.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/14/2022 at 5:23 PM, Thingamabob said:

Siam avoided being colonised by skillfully portraying itself as a neutral player between the French in Laos and Cambodia, and the British in India/Burma and Malaya.  However it then miscalculated by accomodating Japan in WW2,  and now Thailand/Prayut have further miscalculated in this case, given the appalling atrocities committed by the Russian military in Ukraine. It appears the diplomatic skills of Thailand's forefathers nl longer exist. Self-interest and greed now take precedence.

What on earth are you on about? Thailand didn't "accommodate" Japan, they did the only sensible thing in the face of an undefeatable enemy, to avoid bringing death and destruction on the country.

If the British could be defeated in Malaya, what chance would the Thais have?

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, billd766 said:

But it is the choice of this government and not necessarily that of the Thai people.

Are there demonstrations in the street demanding that Thailand support the west's stance on Ukraine?

If not, I doubt they are concerned. Probably waaaaay more worried about the economy and how they are going to survive amid political turmoil, economic problems, floods etc.

Europe is far away.