Former Trump aide gets 4 months for defying Jan. 6 committee

[Scott]

 

Bannon defended his decision not to comply with the Jan. 6 committee's subpoena and said the notion that he thinks he is above the law "is an absolute and total lie."

Speaking outside the courthouse following his sentencing, the former Trump adviser said that there will be "multiple areas of appeal" by his legal team.

"On November 8, they're gonna have a judgment on the illegitimate Biden regime and quite frankly, and quite frankly, that Nancy Pelosi and the entire committee, and we know which way that’s going,"

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/live-blog/steve-bannon-sentencing-live-updates-rcna53012

[Hanaguma]

Not sure if 4 months is standard sentencing for people who do not answer congressional subpoenas. If it is, fair enough. What I did find interesting is that he uses the term "illegitimate" to describe the Biden administration. It is the exact same word used by countless Democrats from Hillary Clinton to the late John Lewis to Joe Biden himself when describing the Trump presidency.

[Jingthing]

With a mug like that, I'm sure he'll fit right in in the hoosegow. 

[Bluespunk]

Trump has now been subpoenaed to appear before congress. 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/oct/21/trump-subpoena-testify-jan-6-committee?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

Not sure if 4 months is standard sentencing for people who do not answer congressional subpoenas. If it is, fair enough. What I did find interesting is that he uses the term "illegitimate" to describe the Biden administration. It is the exact same word used by countless Democrats from Hillary Clinton to the late John Lewis to Joe Biden himself when describing the Trump presidency.

"Illegitimate" has lots of different uses. Democrats weren't using it to claim mass voter voter fraud and that Hillary Clinton actually won the election.

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7 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

Not sure if 4 months is standard sentencing for people who do not answer congressional subpoenas. If it is, fair enough. 

I think when a defendant loses a case and not only expresses no remorse, but doesn't indicate he will obey the law in the future, anything less than the max is merciful.

 

"Nichols said that Bannon had failed to show responsibility for his conduct, a factor that ultimately led the judge to a heavier punishment. “He has expressed no remorse for his actions,” Nichols said during the proceedings, and the judge stressed that Bannon had not demonstrated that he would comply with the subpoenas...

There were “problems,” the judge said, with Bannon’s position that Trump made an assertion of executive privilege that prevented Bannon testifying or turning over any documents."

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/10/21/politics/steve-bannon-sentencing-contempt-congress/index.html

 

Judge Nichol was nominated for the position by Donald Trump.

[pegman]

I just hope he doesn't serve it in some club fed but in the Washington, D.C. jail. Let him try doing some of this performance art in there. Won't work out well for this racist 

[bendejo]

23 minutes ago, pegman said:

I just hope he doesn't serve it in some club fed but in the Washington, D.C. jail. Let him try doing some of this performance art in there. Won't work out well for this racist 

The white power types will protect him.  I read there are jails where the "patriots" are kept separately from the other criminals, probably for their own protection.  I'd like to see this dip thrown into general population: he'll probably be out of there in less than four months, but he won't be breathing that long.  But maybe a threat to his life on the inside will be part of the sentence appeal.

I once mentioned club fed on TVF a few years back a lot of very bright lads lit into me for mentioning something that doesn't exist.

 

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Trump has now been subpoenaed to appear before congress. 

I'd bet that the Bannon sentencing was taken as a green light for this subpoena.

 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by bendejo

[Jingthing]

49 minutes ago, placeholder said:

"Illegitimate" has lots of different uses. Democrats weren't using it to claim mass voter voter fraud and that Hillary Clinton actually won the election.

I find very little of the criticisms from the Trumpist side to have merit, but I think we should be honest in the rare cases when they have some kind of point.

 

While there is clearly no equivalence, there is at least something to that criticism.

 

Trumpist believers in the big lie suggesting that Biden was never legally elected, being supportive of the January 6 failed coup attempt, and using illegitimate in that way, is incredibly extremist pro authoritarian, and a direct assault on the very core of American democracy.

 

I don't think anti-Trumpists used the word illegitimate very often at all (even if you can find some quotes) to refer to defeated President Trump, but we did very often say and feel things like NOT MY PRESIDENT.

 

I can't speak for everyone that felt that, but my thinking is that we were accepting that Trump was legally elected and could legally take (legal) presidential actions but that it was so outrageous that such an obviously constantly lying criminally corrupt (for basically all his life) narcissistic clownish demagogue was so offending that we couldn't personally relate to him (or his cultish movement) as something that we could ever be associated with. Each person that felt that kind of thing, he's not my president, would put it a different way, but I don't recall hearing sentiments that he was not legally elected. Sure there were complaints about the electoral college, legit complaints, wanting to change it though a legal process (not a violent coup) but that is the system.

 

These two videos show how radically different the two sides were in response to election defeats:

 

Called Trump the same night to concede then speech next day. Normal behavior. Expected honorable behavior. American behavior.

 

Falsely claimed victory on election night. Never conceded or even called President Biden to concede. To this day, he has not conceded. He obviously will never conceded. Abormal behavior. Anti democracy behavior. Anti American behavior. 

 

Edited October 21, 2022 by Jingthing

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4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I find very little of the criticisms from the Trumpist side to have merit, but I think we should be honest in the rare cases when they have some kind of point.

 

While there is clearly no equivalence, there is at least something to that criticism.

 

Trumpist believers in the big lie suggesting that Biden was never legally elected, being supportive of the January 6 failed coup attempt, and using illegitimate in that way, is incredibly extremist pro authoritarian, and a direct assault on the very core of American democracy.

 

I don't think anti-Trumpists used the word illegitimate very often at all (even if you can find some quotes) to refer to defeated President Trump, but we did very often say and feel things like NOT MY PRESIDENT.

 

I can't speak for everyone that felt that, but my thinking is that we were accepting that Trump was legally elected and could legally take (legal) presidential actions but that it was so outrageous that such an obviously constantly lying criminally corrupt (for basically all his life) narcissistic clownish demagogue was so offending that we couldn't personally relate to him (or his cultish movement) as something that we could ever be associated with. Each person that felt that kind of thing, he's not my president, would put it a different way, but I don't recall hearing sentiments that he was not legally elected. Sure there were complaints about the electoral college, legit complaints, wanting to change it though a legal process (not a violent coup) but that is the system.

 

These two videos show how radically different the two sides were in response to election defeats:

 

Called Trump the same night to concede then speech next day. Normal behavior. Expected honorable behavior. American behavior.

 

Falsely claimed victory on election night. Never conceded or even called President Biden to concede. To this day, he has not conceded. He obviously will never conceded. Abormal behavior. Anti democracy behavior. Anti American behavior. 

 

I think the difference can be boiled down to 2 little words: "my" and "the". People who didn't vote for Trump often assert he's not my President. In other words, it's a way of saying they didn't vote for him and denying responsibility for his election. Especially to avoid being reproached for what "your President" did.  It's a personal statement But what most Trump supporters claim is that Biden is not the President. It's not about disclaiming individual responsibility for Biden's victory, but rather an assertion that Biden actually lost the election. And that it was only through fraud and conspiracy that he now holds office. So, it's not about Biden not being "my" President only, but rather that he's not anybody's President. 

[Bluespunk]

6 hours ago, bendejo said:

I'd bet that the Bannon sentencing was taken as a green light for this subpoena.

My thinking too. 

[Hanaguma]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

I think the difference can be boiled down to 2 little words: "my" and "the". People who didn't vote for Trump often assert he's not my President. In other words, it's a way of saying they didn't vote for him and denying responsibility for his election. Especially to avoid being reproached for what "your President" did.  It's a personal statement But what most Trump supporters claim is that Biden is not the President. It's not about disclaiming individual responsibility for Biden's victory, but rather an assertion that Biden actually lost the election. And that it was only through fraud and conspiracy that he now holds office. So, it's not about Biden not being "my" President only, but rather that he's not anybody's President. 

You may have a point. "Not my President" merely sounds petulant and whiny and immature.  "Not the president" is different, and worse IMHO.  But using "illegitimate" leans more towards the latter. It is a legal term rather than emotional.  Both imply not accepting reality. 

 

For me, both are idiotic. I am no fan of Justin Trudeau and would happily see him ejected from office, yet he is both "my Prime Minister" AND "the Prime Minister".  We have to accept results we don't like. 

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1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

You may have a point. "Not my President" merely sounds petulant and whiny and immature.  "Not the president" is different, and worse IMHO.  But using "illegitimate" leans more towards the latter. It is a legal term rather than emotional.  Both imply not accepting reality. 

 

For me, both are idiotic. I am no fan of Justin Trudeau and would happily see him ejected from office, yet he is both "my Prime Minister" AND "the Prime Minister".  We have to accept results we don't like. 

Even if you don't accept that "illegitimate" is referring to  acts Trump committed while in office, there's a huge difference between the number of Trump supporters and Biden supporters who subscribe to such a counterfactual belief. Basically, those who try to defend Trump supporters are cherry-picking while those who defend Biden or Hillary Clinton can point both to polls and the statements of elected officials.

Edited October 22, 2022 by placeholder

[Eric Loh]

Travesty of justice by allowing Bannon to sleep at home awaiting appeal rather than straight to jail. He will be free as a bird for the expected long duration of the appeal process. Justice not served for an evil man. 

[bendejo]

14 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Travesty of justice by allowing Bannon to sleep at home awaiting appeal rather than straight to jail. He will be free as a bird for the expected long duration of the appeal process. Justice not served for an evil man. 

They're not stopping him from broadcasting, or are they?

Like when Manafort was out on bail, they let him get away with witness intimidation over the phone from home.

 

The guy likes his drink (it's as plain as the nose on his face ???? ), four months detox looms ahead.

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2022 at 6:34 PM, Eric Loh said:

Travesty of justice by allowing Bannon to sleep at home awaiting appeal rather than straight to jail. He will be free as a bird for the expected long duration of the appeal process. Justice not served for an evil man. 

??????????????

Is he a threat to society or a flight risk? IMO that is the only reason to deny bail.

How many Americans that are not either are remanded?

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/22/2022 at 4:26 PM, Hanaguma said:

You may have a point. "Not my President" merely sounds petulant and whiny and immature.  "Not the president" is different, and worse IMHO.  But using "illegitimate" leans more towards the latter. It is a legal term rather than emotional.  Both imply not accepting reality. 

 

For me, both are idiotic. I am no fan of Justin Trudeau and would happily see him ejected from office, yet he is both "my Prime Minister" AND "the Prime Minister".  We have to accept results we don't like. 

For some, only the "right sort" of political person deserves lawful rights. Apparently people they don't like should be incarcerated without due process.

Democracy seemingly only applies to persons they approve of.

[Eric Loh]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

??????????????

Is he a threat to society or a flight risk? IMO that is the only reason to deny bail.

How many Americans that are not either are remanded?

 

 

Where to start. SB is a threat to society, democracy, dangerous political operative and guilty of contempt of Congress. Reason he was allowed bail was that the judge was a Trump appointee. He should be treated like every ordinary citizen and go straight to jail.