24 minutes ago, Seppius said:

Unfortunately there is now a whole generation that don't know what It's like under a Labour government

Thank god!

 

PS;  It is not quite a "generation" as Labour left office in 2010 and a generation is normally thought of as approx 30 years!

 

From WIKI

A generation refers to all of the people born and living at about the same time, regarded collectively. It can also be described as, "the average period, generally considered to be about 20–⁠30 years, during which children are born and grow up, become adults, and begin to have children.

9 minutes ago, DezLez said:

I suggest you provide a link when you make a reference such as "Mac already provided it.

It doesn’t help either of you."

 

Without a link nobody knows what you are referring to, mind you that is not unusual in certain cases!

 

It also helps if you look at the timings of post and edits before referring to them, or not in your case,

For the second time, here’s mac’s post which includes a link to the source he relied on:

 

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

According to the most recent data for all UK households in the Family Resources Survey for FYE 2020, 92% of households in the UK reported they were food secure. However, 8% reported being food insecure, and of this, 4% reported low food security and another 4% very low food security

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/united-kingdom-food-security-report-2021/united-kingdom-food-security-report-2021-theme-4-food-security-at-household-level

 

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Updated December 21, before the energy crisis, before the cost of living crisis.

 

Assuming random households represent y average occupancy then 8% of households equates to 8% of 67,22000 people = 5.776 million people.

 

So before they cost of living crisis, before the energy crisis the UK had already added 1.177,600 people to the food poverty count reported for 2020/21.

There are food banks across the UK where people can go and get food for free .

   Why would anyone go hungry when they can get free food ?

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There are food banks across the UK where people can go and get food for free .

   Why would anyone go hungry when they can get free food ?

So you’ve moved to Ebenezer  Scrooge’s line of argument.

 

Off-topic, troll post reported and removed along with replies.

 

9 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

All I did was to ask the valid question that if there are free food banks across the UK available for all , then why are people still hungry?

   The answer to that question is : "You're Scrooge"

How about the idea of people not having to put up with the indignity of relying on charity?

 

I’ve told you exactly which 19th century mindset you are regressing to, it was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

 

Have a word with yourself.

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

How about the idea of people not having to put up with the indignity of relying on charity?

 

I’ve told you exactly which 19th century mindset you are regressing to, it was wrong then and it’s wrong now.

 

Have a word with yourself.

Things are rather unfair here , so I will bail out of this discussion .

I am scrooge and I cannot reply to that , so , bailing out 

How many people voted to put Sunak in office as PM.

100?  300?  How about 3000?  This is Western Democracy.  <laughs>

 

2 hours ago, Seppius said:

Unfortunately there is now a whole generation that don't know what It's like under a Labour government

That's very unfair.

 

You're forgetting just how united, stable and prosperous the country has been for the past 12 years.

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

For the second time, here’s mac’s post which includes a link to the source he relied on:

 

 

Those figures do not get to your 8 million but this is what that report states;

 

 "Due to the complexity of the food aid landscape, the UK government does not hold data on the precise number of organisations which distribute food aid. Questions related to food aid access have been added to DWP’s Family Resources Survey and the results for financial year 2021 to 2022 will be published in 2023"

 

If the UK Government does not know the figures how come you do?

3 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Here’s Mac’s post.

 

Refer percentages reported.

 

The population of the UK is about 67.22 million.

 

Now let’s see if you can work out what 8% of 67.22 million is.

 

If you struggle then yes, perhaps you do need the ‘confused button’.

 

 

8% of households is not the same as 8% of population.

22 minutes ago, puchooay said:

8% of households is not the same as 8% of population.

All things considered, given there is almost certainly more than one person to many of those households, it probably is more. 

23 hours ago, BritManToo said:

The Tory membership would have never voted for a non-white PM, so the Tory MPs pushed the problem down the road to the next GE and alienated their entire membership. The same people that voted for Brexit will now be voting against Sanuk in the next general election.

 

I don't believe that's the case. The Tories are very diverse and I think it's a mistake to assume people vote one way or another due to their race in 2022. Even if they were racist and wanted to vote against Sunak, would they rather have Dianne Abbott and David Lammy in the cabinet? At least Sunak is coherent.

 

I've only seen racism like that in the Labour party. I wonder if they've described him as superficially Asian yet? After all, he's rich and Conservative. Love to hear what Rupa Huq thinks of all this.

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-63050482

 

 

"Your ears are almost as big as mine!"

 

 

18 hours ago, RayC said:

That's very unfair.

 

You're forgetting just how united, stable and prosperous the country has been for the past 12 years.

Maybe I worded that wrong, I meant it sarcastically

23 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

There doesn't seem to be an easy painless solution 

There is no magic wand that will stop inflation and keep energy prices down and keep the UK out of recession and interest rates rising .

   Just have to deal with it the best we can 

Well you could start with a windfall tax to the energy companies like in the rest of Europe.  That way the public debt would be reduced drastically and not lay with the tax payers to pick up the bill.  Fat chance with these cretins though as they are in their pockets.

 

Sunak's cabinet line up confirms yet again that it is jobs for the boys and girls who supported his  leadership bid.  Expect more of the same from the same inadequates.

8 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Well you could start with a windfall tax to the energy companies like in the rest of Europe.  That way the public debt would be reduced drastically and not lay with the tax payers to pick up the bill.  Fat chance with these cretins though as they are in their pockets.

 

Sunak's cabinet line up confirms yet again that it is jobs for the boys and girls who supported his  leadership bid.  Expect more of the same from the same inadequates.

Is that in addition to the windfall tax imposed on UK energy companies two weeks ago, or should there be another additional windfall tax

22 hours ago, RayC said:

That's very unfair.

 

You're forgetting just how united, stable and prosperous the country has been for the past 12 years.

12 years !!!!!!!

The UK has had 3 Prime Ministers. 2 Home Secretaries. 3 Chancellors of the Exchequer. 3 Health Secretaries, 2 Monarchs and a recession  in the past 12 weeks 

Joe Biden clearly doesn't think much of him, calling him 'Rasheed Sanook' in a speech. Or maybe that's better, going from being Mr Dog (sunak in Thai) to Mr Fun (sanuk).

 

Either way, the winter is going to be so economically brutal in the UK that not even a technocrat like R.S. can save things from turning ugly, and the Tories may have to invite Boris back in the spring to save their electoral prospects, which is after all the only thing they really care about.

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is that in addition to the windfall tax imposed on UK energy companies two weeks ago, or should there be another additional windfall tax

It was a windfall tax in name only, well not even in name only, Sunak described it as a ‘profits levy’ and was delivered with exclusive juicy 91p/£ tax breaks securely placed in the back pocket.

 

 

The pensions triple lock is back in the cross hairs.

 

Has anyone told the Tories that Pensioners vote?

Uh-oh, trouble in paradise 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/oct/26/suella-braverman-return-after-security-breach-defended-by-james-cleverly?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

16 hours ago, Eleftheros said:

Joe Biden clearly doesn't think much of him, calling him 'Rasheed Sanook' in a speech. Or maybe that's better, going from being Mr Dog (sunak in Thai) to Mr Fun (sanuk).

 

Either way, the winter is going to be so economically brutal in the UK that not even a technocrat like R.S. can save things from turning ugly, and the Tories may have to invite Boris back in the spring to save their electoral prospects, which is after all the only thing they really care about.

I think it reflects more on Biden than Sunak. Fancy not knowing the name of your top ally.

21 hours ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Is that in addition to the windfall tax imposed on UK energy companies two weeks ago, or should there be another additional windfall tax

Yes, this time more in line with ones imposed by the other European countries for the current crisis. Shell have just announced a profit of 8 billion pounds, just about double to last year.  There is a 25% windfall tax but that can be mainly offset by a "commitment" to more investment. 

 

Good news though. At least Hunt is "mulling" a windfall tax on banks, contrary to Johnson and Trusses position before. The right of the party must be pulling their hair out! 

2 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Yes, this time more in line with ones imposed by the other European countries for the current crisis. Shell have just announced a profit of 8 billion pounds, just about double to last year.  There is a 25% windfall tax but that can be mainly offset by a "commitment" to more investment. 

 

Good news though. At least Hunt is "mulling" a windfall tax on banks, contrary to Johnson and Trusses position before. The right of the party must be pulling their hair out! 

Didn't Shell make losses in previous years and they need to pay off their debt ?

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Didn't Shell make losses in previous years and they need to pay off their debt ?

If £8 Billion profit this year was double their profit of last year (do the math), which particular year did you have in mind?

 

 

 

 

 

14 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Yes, this time more in line with ones imposed by the other European countries for the current crisis. Shell have just announced a profit of 8 billion pounds, just about double to last year.  There is a 25% windfall tax but that can be mainly offset by a "commitment" to more investment. 

 

Good news though. At least Hunt is "mulling" a windfall tax on banks, contrary to Johnson and Trusses position before. The right of the party must be pulling their hair out! 

One can only hope they all go bald as a result of such. 

24 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Didn't Shell make losses in previous years and they need to pay off their debt ?

Shell long term debt for the quarter ending June 30, 2022 was $77.220B, a 11.28% decline year-over-year.

Shell long term debt for 2021 was $80.868B, a 11.25% decline from 2020.

Shell long term debt for 2020 was $91.115B, a 11.99% increase from 2019.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SHEL/shell/long-term-debt

 

And $5 billion write down on exiting Russia

Shell raises Russia writedown to as much as $5 billion

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/shell-write-down-up-5-bln-after-russia-exit-2022-04-07/

 

 

11 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Shell long term debt for the quarter ending June 30, 2022 was $77.220B, a 11.28% decline year-over-year.

Shell long term debt for 2021 was $80.868B, a 11.25% decline from 2020.

Shell long term debt for 2020 was $91.115B, a 11.99% increase from 2019.

https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/SHEL/shell/long-term-debt

 

And $5 billion write down on exiting Russia

Shell raises Russia writedown to as much as $5 billion

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/shell-write-down-up-5-bln-after-russia-exit-2022-04-07/

 

 

Shell are investing their profits into making new North sea gas and oil projects , so they will have resources in the future and will have a supply of gas and oil for the U.K.

   Should the U.K take that money and thus there will be no investment and enery for the future ?