Does it gets boring in Koh Phangan, Samui?

[OneMoreFarang]

3 minutes ago, Hummin said:

but for new guys, the real girl friend experience can feel very real if you meet a pro. 

Yes, and in a way she is the girl friend for that time. Maybe she even likes the guy and maybe she enjoys the sex with him. And maybe she would stay with him for a long time if he would live in Thailand.

 

Having said that, after the guy goes back to farang land he and "his" girl are in totally different situations. He is most likely in a place where even the old and ugly women ignore him. He can dream of his darling for months and years - he has no alternative.

But the girl in Thailand will have likely several opportunities a day to meet a guy who wants to spend a little or a lot of time with her. Why should she wait for the one guy, who promised her who loves her and who maybe will come back in an uncertain time? How long should she wait? And what should she do at that time? Play farmer? 555

Just be realistic! Enjoy the time and maybe see the girl again in a year, or maybe not. Don't wait and don't expect unrealistic promises. 

[Hummin]

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

There was a time, a long time ago, when a huge part of the working girls were looking for a husband. IMHO that time is over. There are certainly still some girls who hope to get a husband that way. But there are also many who like a lot more the idea of making good money in an hour or two and then back to their life with their Thai friends and often Thai boyfriend. 

 

Too many guys think that all bar girls are looking for a guy who takes them out of that horrible place. And they think bar girls prefer and old and boring and maybe even relative rich guy compared to what they have. Wrong! At least most of the time. 

I agree in most you say, but it is also depending on the location and the bar. When the girls see bak in their village new houses, cars, gold and see their social media with food, hotels, travels to other coutries, a luxurious lifestyle, more land to parents, well you know what Im talking about.  It is still an factor, but maybe not in more hardcore bars. 

[BonMot]

Bringing this back to the OP

 

The original question naive but practically trollish.

 

Can you find such a woman? No.

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

You're sitting there feeling guilty because this really nice woman who you adore  and she adores you  will have to get back to work in that horrendous bar selling herself to disgusting men every night when you've gone , and she cannot wait for you to go back home because she wants a few nights in the bar with her friends getting drunk

I think we underestimate some of the women, and they know how to play the pleasure game for themselves. 
 

others is of course victims of abuse, but far from everybody, and who are we to know who is on top of the game, and who is not?

[BonMot]

2 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I agree in most you say, but it is also depending on the location and the bar. When the girls see bak in their village new houses, cars, gold and see their social media with food, hotels, travels to other coutries, a luxurious lifestyle, more land to parents, well you know what Im talking about.  It is still an factor, but maybe not in more hardcore bars. 

I wouldn't know.

 

I'd also highly recommend foreigners stay clear of these villages and as for the women enjoy their company in durations of one to three hours.

 

Finding a gf and wife is no different here than back in your home country. If you short cut it by hooking up with a bar girl - all bets are off. Can you have a bad relationship with a woman that is not a pub girl? Absolutely. But there are lines that are crossed when entering that world and it does scar and jade.

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Yes, and in a way she is the girl friend for that time. Maybe she even likes the guy and maybe she enjoys the sex with him. And maybe she would stay with him for a long time if he would live in Thailand.

 

Having said that, after the guy goes back to farang land he and "his" girl are in totally different situations. He is most likely in a place where even the old and ugly women ignore him. He can dream of his darling for months and years - he has no alternative.

But the girl in Thailand will have likely several opportunities a day to meet a guy who wants to spend a little or a lot of time with her. Why should she wait for the one guy, who promised her who loves her and who maybe will come back in an uncertain time? How long should she wait? And what should she do at that time? Play farmer? 555

Just be realistic! Enjoy the time and maybe see the girl again in a year, or maybe not. Don't wait and don't expect unrealistic promises. 

We all know, if you are in a different place than your new Thai girl friend, there is a BIG FAT NO, no matter where you met here, and it involves some kind of support to secure the relationship! 

[Hummin]

14 minutes ago, BonMot said:

I wouldn't know.

 

I'd also highly recommend foreigners stay clear of these villages and as for the women enjoy their company in durations of one to three hours.

 

Finding a gf and wife is no different here than back in your home country. If you short cut it by hooking up with a bar girl - all bets are off. Can you have a bad relationship with a woman that is not a pub girl? Absolutely. But there are lines that are crossed when entering that world and it does scar and jade.

First line crossed for thai girls, is when they start dating a foreigner no matter where you meet here. Seems most deny that simple important fact! 

Edited October 27, 2022 by Hummin

[OneMoreFarang]

19 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I agree in most you say, but it is also depending on the location and the bar. When the girls see bak in their village new houses, cars, gold and see their social media with food, hotels, travels to other coutries, a luxurious lifestyle, more land to parents, well you know what Im talking about.  It is still an factor, but maybe not in more hardcore bars. 

What you describe is still a girl who is together with the guy because of the money and lifestyle. 

Personally, I wouldn't want a long-term girlfriend who uses me like that.

[BonMot]

Just now, Hummin said:

First line crossed for thai girls, is when they start dating a foreigner no matter where yo meet here. Seems most deny that simple important fact! 

Haha rubbish. Far from a fact. Just your silly opinion. I'd point out that the elder princess of Rama 9 married a foreigner. Many pop stars are offspring of mixed marriages.

 

I think this more a reflection of the women you know than anything else.

 

Loads of Bangkok women have foreign male friends. If I weren't married half dozen of my coworkers would date me sure.

 

Rather, the story is age old...

 

1 Stupid, good girl has relationship with boy, gets preggers and lands in Pattaya.

 

2 Hottie just turns 18 and knows exactly what's what. She catches the first bus after graduation to Pattaya. Her friends already there plug her into a gogo and she's online chatting and making 40k a month. Quickly she's offered porn shoots at 10-15k a scene and she's totally debauched in 90 days

 

3 Rather average looking woman tired of working the fields makes her way to Pattaya. Depending on her looks, who she meets and lady luck she starts working in a number of potential jobs. Regardless of the position any guy that appraches her - she'll make the connection. In Pattaya, no morals, no rules.

 

Bangkok women in the farang bars it's a similar story but Bangkok is done for gogo bars.

 

The women that serve Thai men vary widely. It's a much better scene and too bad not available to foreign local expats.

 

[OneMoreFarang]

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We all know, if you are in a different place than your new Thai girl friend, there is a BIG FAT NO, no matter where you met here, and it involves some kind of support to secure the relationship! 

Do we all know? ???? 

[Hummin]

Just now, OneMoreFarang said:

What you describe is still a girl who is together with the guy because of the money and lifestyle. 

Personally, I wouldn't want a long-term girlfriend who uses me like that.

Well We all provide somehow in to a relationship with a thai, what I described was what most think, believe, and see, and some hope for. Maybe mother in law more than anyone else, 

 

My neighbours belive Im filthy dirty rich, still my parents in law do not have new house, new car, gold, they working for us for the money they get. Still the neighbours thinking differently about us. 

[Hummin]

5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Do we all know? ???? 

You know, I know and most should know when leaving your gf in a tourist destination, and same would appear sending them home. Talking about beginning of a relationship where you know  here for 2-3 weeks, and maybe see her in future 2 x 2 weeks a year or similar, you know what I mean

[Hummin]

9 minutes ago, BonMot said:

Haha rubbish. Far from a fact. Just your silly opinion. I'd point out that the elder princess of Rama 9 married a foreigner. Many pop stars are offspring of mixed marriages.

 

I think this more a reflection of the women you know than anything else.

 

Loads of Bangkok women have foreign male friends. If I weren't married half dozen of my coworkers would date me sure.

 

Rather, the story is age old...

 

 

I guess the elderly princess did not married average retired joe when she was in her twenties, or early thirties. Neither did she have kids back with their grandparents which she barely could support. 
 

of course well educated women searching for well educated men with job or at least wealthy enough to take care of them, but still you know what I ment, and Im okay you calling me out as silly because I know nothing compare to you. 

[khunPer]

11 hours ago, parafareno said:

Can it be compared to Pattaya regarding night life?

No, Phangan is relaxed party life.

[nigelforbes]

10 hours ago, BonMot said:

If you are looking for a companion that is not a prostitute that will pretty much be Bangkok. But most women are still going to want some sort of financial support from a man - especially if there's no interest in marriage.

 

If it's just about money than get a hooker because wives and even those with modest needs are far more expensive than hourly companionship.

 

Of course, these two relationships are entirely different as well.

 

The saddest thing in Thailand and I'm starting to see more of it as tourists flow in is the short / long term farang with the hooker rental gf dressed in sensible clothes. She's still a hooker and is just playing a role providing a GFE.

 

A favorite hook up meeting point seems to be Asoke station/ T21 but I see couples roaming as far north as HuayKwang - usually lost hahahaha

You really think that all the women in Pattaya are hookers and that the OP will need to go to Bangkok to find one who is not....seriously, I mean seriously!

[marin]

9 hours ago, BonMot said:

9 hours ago, Hummin said:

 

 

 

Finding a gf and wife is no different here than back in your home country. If you short cut it by hooking up with a bar girl - all bets are off.

That sums it up. But its quite obvious the OP is looking for a "woman of the night", that he mistakenly calls girlfriend. Gonna be rough on Samui or Phangnan.  

Edited October 28, 2022 by marin

[BonMot]

10 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

You really think that all the women in Pattaya are hookers and that the OP will need to go to Bangkok to find one who is not....seriously, I mean seriously!

As someone who had lived in Pattaya mostly in low season over a number of years in the 00s- yes.

[nigelforbes]

3 minutes ago, BonMot said:

As someone who had lived in Pattaya mostly in low season over a number of years in the 00s- yes.

Hmm, you might consider moving in different circles then, you know, up your game a tad perhaps. I know not many foreigners know this but Pattaya goes way back beyond Beach and Second Road, there's much more to it than just that two streets. And if you've not been back since the 00's you'll be pleasantly surprised, it's a different place entirely, not that I would ever go there mind you but others seem to like it..

[richard_smith237]

30 minutes ago, nigelforbes said:

You really think that all the women in Pattaya are hookers and that the OP will need to go to Bangkok to find one who is not....seriously, I mean seriously!

In ‘these’ areas there is perhaps an issue where the ‘genuine good girls’ (for want of a better description) avoid foreigners because they may be of the impression that foreigners are there only for the women....  I suspect this just makes life a little more difficult when trying to develop a genuine relationship..... 

.... Whereas in areas such as Bangkok it's far easier to be considered a regular member of society so that ‘stigma barrier’ does not need to be broken down.... 

 

 

 

 

 

[BangkokReady]

11 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

unless they aren’t then they are spending effort to prove they are saints

Do "good" Thai girls actually make an effort to prove they aren't prostitutes or gold-diggers?

 

I can imagine a guy being OK with a girl being cautious.  We are generally more easy going in relationships and used to having to put up with tests of our character when it comes to women sizing us up.  But a girl being OK with a guy wanting proof that she's a "good" girl?  Ignoring the obvious double standards, I'm not sure I can see a girl putting up with that.

[nigelforbes]

1 minute ago, richard_smith237 said:

In ‘these’ areas there is perhaps an issue where the ‘genuine good girls’ (for want of a better description) avoid foreigners because they may be of the impression that foreigners are there only for the women....  I suspect this just makes life a little more difficult when trying to develop a genuine relationship..... 

.... Whereas in areas such as Bangkok it's far easier to be considered a regular member of society so that ‘stigma barrier’ does not need to be broken down.... 

 

 

 

 

 

A much more acceptable version of events and infinitely more probable. We have several long standing friends who live in Pattaya, they are normal middle class Thai's who completely disregard the sole thing that so many foreigners seem fixated about, I suppose it's all about your line of vision and what you see most of in the course of your day.

[kwak250]

Not sure about 7/11 they have some rough ones where we are .

 

Lots of unfinished tattoos  and I am sure one of them is a ladyboy or has been slurping a capacino 

 

Dairy Queen would be my choice .

[nigelforbes]

Just now, kwak250 said:

Not sure about 7/11 they have some rough ones where we are .

 

Lots of unfinished tattoos  and I am sure one of them is a ladyboy or has been slurping a capacino 

 

Dairy Queen would be my choice .

A man of high standards I see, I'm surprised you don't aspire to Svensons.!

[phetphet]

Yes. It can sometimes get boring in the wet season if it rains pretty much all day for many days. That puts the beach out. Luckily not so bad so far this year.

 

Lots of gyms.

 

A few beach clubs. a go cart track, a Padel (like tennis) club, a climbing wall, but not open yet, and I think a shooting range, but not sure if that is still open.

 

I suppose it depends what you like to do. There are a couple of cinemas, and a fair bit of nightlife.

 

Girlfriend?  You will have to look yourself based on your own preferences.

 

HTH

[KhunLA]

11 hours ago, parafareno said:

i see many guys walking around pattaya with these girls....are they rented? I mean most of the girls in pattaya work as freelancers I think.....who knows if these girls are regular girls or just hookers......

I had many girls lines up for a date in BKK....then I split because of bad air quality to pattaya and here there are no regaular girls to find lol

Are you looking someplace other than Soi 6 ?

 

Try actually talking to the next gal that smiles at you, when you're not on soi 6 or walking street / bar districts.

 

On Topic: if going by yourself, guessing after a couple days, you'll be bored, really bored, get me out of here board.

Edited October 28, 2022 by KhunLA

[kwak250]

7 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

A man of high standards I see, I'm surprised you don't aspire to Svensons.!

Is that a Swedish company?

[nigelforbes]

9 hours ago, kwak250 said:

Is that a Swedish company?

Originally American, started by a Swede in 1948, now Canadian, Thai franchise owned by Minor Group (Thai).

[Enoon]

On 10/27/2022 at 7:50 PM, parafareno said:

i see many guys walking around pattaya with these girls....are they rented? I mean most of the girls in pattaya work as freelancers I think.....who knows if these girls are regular girls or just hookers......

I had many girls lines up for a date in BKK....then I split because of bad air quality to pattaya and here there are no regaular girls to find lol

You sound like you haven't got a clue and shouldn't be out on your own.

 

Maybe go back home and start all over again?

 

 

[BonMot]

On 10/28/2022 at 1:50 AM, Hummin said:

What if that bar girl turns out to be gold during your time you get to know her, are you just going to dump her when you going back? What kind of man manage to dump a good girl he shared a good time with? Maybe the best time of his life for Cheap money. She never asked for one baht while together, never shared one negative moment, just positive and happy everyday, and seems genuine in every way you look at her. 

You don't understand. That is the game.

 

When the game is over (your holleeday) you're supposed to pay the woman. It is UNDERSTOOD by all but total numbnutz.

 

If you've actually fined her out of an establishment there is probably a daily bar fine to be paid if she plans on returning as well.

 

I totally get that the attraction to the Thai prostitution scene is about a sweet, charming woman playing the gf you never had as opposed to the rough hookers in much of the world.

 

Nevertheless, she is just that and needs to be paid.

 

I've seen a few young guys walk away from women after weeks together because there wasn't anything negotiated in the initial phase of the *relationship*. Then, at the end the excuse is always... Well, she didn't ask for anything. WTFF planet are these people from? Planet Clueless and Planet Charlie.

[parafareno]

I called few hotels with bungalows.....they do not rent out per month at all. Or the prices are 20000 bht per month, or they are already full. So are the posters here even in koh larn or somewhere in USA typing away their comments?

Edited October 29, 2022 by parafareno