Paul Pelosi: Who is spreading false claims about attack on Nancy Pelosi's husband?

[cdemundo]

6 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

 

It specifically says

"Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand"

so if a person is holding the hammer with one hand he can open the door with the other hand.

Or at least Paul Pelosi was able to do so.

[Phoenix Rising]

The orange one is, of course, among the most active bovine feces spreaders.

 

Trump is spreading conspiracy-theory lies about the Paul Pelosi attack that have already been debunked

[johnnybangkok]

1 minute ago, JonnyF said:

The CCTV backs it up? Really? When did you see it?

 

The truth is documented, recorded and verified? Please send me links, I'd love to see that.

 

I can wait for the trial, no biggie. It's a matter of interest to me, nothing more. I am not obsessed with American politics or Trump like so many on here.

I'm not your personal Google. Just try an objective news source for a change. Here I'll start you off (or is the BBC 'fake' news in your eyes?)

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/63477452

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63435454

 

[EVENKEEL]

9 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

The difference is called being objective. Something that many of you lack.

You are looking at these reports to try and find something that points to a conspiracy (who answered the door? why did the police not do that?; was he his gay lover?), whereas the vast majoirty of people are saying 'it's on CCTV, there's a police report outlining everything that happened and there's also a statement from the perpetrator saying exactly what he did, his actions and his motives.

But we are not surprised. We have seen you shovelling HS for the last 5 years in defence of the indefenceable so this little episode comes as absolutely no surprise. 

 

 

That official report has much very detailed info. In my opinion identifying the one who opened the door makes sense in a report so detail oriented. What is so hard to understand?

 

As to why the mentally ill depape who thought he was Jesus did what he did? Well he's crazy, that's why he did it.

 

Oh, before I forget, it's not nice to get so personal.

Edited November 2, 2022 by EVENKEEL

[johnnybangkok]

Just now, cdemundo said:

It specifically says

"Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand"

so if a person is holding the hammer with one hand he can open the door with the other hand.

Or at least Paul Pelosi was able to do so.

Oh for gods sake. 

Nothing mentions who opened the door. The best you get is 'Police officers responded to a call at around 02:27 local time (09:27 GMT) on Friday. They found Mr Pelosi and the suspect struggling over a hammer, but it was wrested from Mr Pelosi by the intruder, who violently assaulted him with it'.   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63443927

 

Mr Pelosi may have opened the door, maybe the police broke it in, maybe the door was already open. IT DOESN"T MATTER, no one else was in the room other then Mr. P and DePape. That's absolutely for sure.

[Eric Loh]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Me, I find it interesting that some can read the same reports I read and think, Looks good to me. Why does it matter who opened the door? It's all in the "report"  There's nothing suspicious here.

 

 

Anyone can read a report and offer their own spin and at best it only offer circumstantial interpretation that may or may not be admissible. Yes, it doesnt matter who open the door. Direct evidence supports the assertion directly. So what are the direct evidence in this case. Read the charges. 

[Bkk Brian]

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

I can wait for the trial, no biggie. It's a matter of interest to me, nothing more. I am not obsessed with American politics or Trump like so many on here.

No you obviously can't, your the most prominent poster here asking why why why and clutching at straws. Now the only straw you have left is the actual attack scenario as everything else has already been debunked. 

[cdemundo]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So, as per your understanding of my quote above, who exactly opened the door? This should be easy for you to answer as I note your mocking tone. 

From the affidavit:

"Pelosi and DEPAPE were both holding a hammer with one hand "

 

So stay with me here, Paul Pelosi was already holding the hammer with one hand when the door was opened.

How was the door opened? Using arithmetic we can conclude that if Mr. Pelosi was holding the hammer with one hand he would consequently have one hand free to open the door.

Let me put it this way

If a person has 2 hands and one hand is occupied holding a hammer, how many hands does he have free boys and girls?

Using our arithmetic notation

2 - 1 = 1

So the answer is one!

The person has one hand free!

He can use this hand to open the door.

 

I am editing to add that the affidavit does not indicate who opened the door (as another poster has pointed out to me), but the assertion that Pelosi could not have opened the door because he was holding the hammer is not correct.

 

 

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by cdemundo

[cdemundo]

4 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

Oh for gods sake. 

Nothing mentions who opened the door. The best you get is 'Police officers responded to a call at around 02:27 local time (09:27 GMT) on Friday. They found Mr Pelosi and the suspect struggling over a hammer, but it was wrested from Mr Pelosi by the intruder, who violently assaulted him with it'.   https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-63443927

 

Mr Pelosi may have opened the door, maybe the police broke it in, maybe the door was already open. IT DOESN"T MATTER, no one else was in the room other then Mr. P and DePape. That's absolutely for sure.

Several posters have stated or implied that Pelosi could not have opened the door because he was holding the hammer.

That is what I was responding too.

I concur, the affidavit indicates that no one else was present and does not indicate how the door came to be open.

Why the "Oh for gods sake" is addressed to me I don't know; I'm sure you have your reasons.

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

That official report has much very detailed info. In my opinion identifying the one who opened the door makes sense in a report so detail oriented. What is so hard to understand?

 

As to why the mentally ill depape who thought he was Jesus did what he did? Well he's crazy, that's why he did it.

 

Oh, before I forget, it's not nice to get so personal.

Its only been his ex partner who claimed he's mentally ill, do you have any credible links for a formal diagnosis?

 

I guess if you believe this from a call while she's in prison for abduction:

“He is mentally ill. He has been mentally ill for a long time,” Taub told ABC7 in a call from the California Institution for Women, where she is serving time after being convicted last year of abducting a 14-year-old boy near his Berkeley high school.

 

Yet you seem to not accept the statements from officials and even the attacker on the attack. Says just about all we need to know about you.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

No you obviously can't, your the most prominent poster here asking why why why and clutching at straws. Now the only straw you have left is the actual attack scenario as everything else has already been debunked. 

Actually the reason I have so many posts is that for every post I make I am hounded by around 4 or 5 posters, saying I am MAGA, denigrating my country of birth, claiming I am a Trump fan etc.

 

That's fine, I've got my big boy pants on and I enjoy a good debate when work is quiet. So despite their vitriol towards me, I believe it's the right thing to do to reply with a reasoned, polite response to explain my position. As I have in this post with you ????.

[Slip]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Actually the reason I have so many posts is that for every post I make I am hounded by around 4 or 5 posters, saying I am MAGA, denigrating my country of birth, claiming I am a Trump fan etc.

 

That's fine, I've got my big boy pants on and I enjoy a good debate when work is quiet. So despite their vitriol towards me, I believe it's the right thing to do to reply with a reasoned, polite response to explain my position. As I have in this post with you ????.

If you were to stop pushing maga conspiracies you would get a lot fewer critical responses.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Slip said:

If you were to stop pushing maga conspiracies you would get a lot fewer critical responses.

Strawman.

 

Please show me where I am pushing MAGA conspiracies.

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Actually the reason I have so many posts is that for every post I make I am hounded by around 4 or 5 posters, saying I am MAGA, denigrating my country of birth, claiming I am a Trump fan etc.

 

That's fine, I've got my big boy pants on and I enjoy a good debate when work is quiet. So despite their vitriol towards me, I believe it's the right thing to do to reply with a reasoned, polite response to explain my position. As I have in this post with you ????.

You don't have to be American to hold the exact same views as the MAGA lies and conspiracy theories, plenty of UK British do the same. Besides my post to you had nothing to do with that.

 

"your the most prominent poster here asking why why why and clutching at straws. Now the only straw you have left is the actual attack scenario as everything else has already been debunked."

[EVENKEEL]

17 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its only been his ex partner who claimed he's mentally ill, do you have any credible links for a formal diagnosis?

 

I guess if you believe this from a call while she's in prison for abduction:

“He is mentally ill. He has been mentally ill for a long time,” Taub told ABC7 in a call from the California Institution for Women, where she is serving time after being convicted last year of abducting a 14-year-old boy near his Berkeley high school.

 

Yet you seem to not accept the statements from officials and even the attacker on the attack. Says just about all we need to know about you.

I'm just asking one question. Who opened the door? That's it, that will solve the puzzle for me. And if the official report was forthcoming the door opener would be identified.

 

As for the nutter's reason, I really don't give a fork.

[cdemundo]

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its only been his ex partner who claimed he's mentally ill, do you have any credible links for a formal diagnosis?

"Its only been his ex partner who claimed he's mentally ill, do you have any credible links for a formal diagnosis?"

 

I understand he has been observed wearing white after Labor Day.

Maybe he should be given 3 words to remember and see if he can recall after 5 minutes.

[Myran]

1 hour ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

So, as per your understanding of my quote above, who exactly opened the door? This should be easy for you to answer as I note your mocking tone. 

The police?

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

You don't have to be American to hold the exact same views as the MAGA lies and conspiracy theories, plenty of UK British do the same. Besides my post to you had nothing to do with that.

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I don't.

 

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

"your the most prominent poster here asking why why why and clutching at straws. Now the only straw you have left is the actual attack scenario as everything else has already been debunked."

Not really. The method of entry seems debatable. The content of the 911 call is unclear. The attack scenario (which is actually quite important since the whole case is based on the attack) appears implausible. 

 

Nothing will be debunked until the trial. A police statement does not constitute the debunking of a theory. There are many cases of police statements not holding up in court. 

 

It appears you have already made up your mind. That's fine. Good for you. Personally, I still have some doubts re. many elements and very much look forward to the trial so that the truth can emerge, hopefully via body cam and CCTV footage rather than police statements. 

[johnnybangkok]

30 minutes ago, cdemundo said:

Several posters have stated or implied that Pelosi could not have opened the door because he was holding the hammer.

That is what I was responding too.

I concur, the affidavit indicates that no one else was present and does not indicate how the door came to be open.

Why the "Oh for gods sake" is addressed to me I don't know; I'm sure you have your reasons.

 

My apologies. You got the 'Oh for gods sake" because you are now the 5th person to go on about who opened the door and I thought you were saying he couldn't have. My error. You clearly weren't saying that. Frustration got the better of me.

[SunnyinBangrak]

25 minutes ago, Myran said:

The police?

I see. Do you have any evidence for this? If the door was left unlocked (as if!!) then David would not have had to use his hammer to smash the window to gain entrance. 

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Just now, SunnyinBangrak said:

I see. Do you have any evidence for this? If the door was left unlocked (as if!!) then David would not have had to use his hammer to smash the window to gain entrance. 

I guess you're not aware that the Capitol Police have extensive surveillance cameras at Pelosi's home in San Francisco in order to protect her. I suspect you're not going to like what those cameras reveal.

[Eric Loh]

41 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Strawman.

 

Please show me where I am pushing MAGA conspiracies.

Maybe the perception is derieved from the fact that David DePape was a Maga conspiracy nut and you have been hyper active in deflecting for him and tacitly backed his conspiracy theories. 

[Bkk Brian]

57 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I'm just asking one question. Who opened the door? That's it, that will solve the puzzle for me. And if the official report was forthcoming the door opener would be identified.

 

As for the nutter's reason, I really don't give a fork.

You were the one claiming he's mentally ill, not me, when challenged you now say you don't give a fork.

 

As for who opened the door, they were both right next to each other could have been either of them, who cares? Now tell me what the over whelming evidence in this case is so far?

[billd766]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Who opened the door for police? Real easy question but so far no one can answer it logically. Apparently what Rick Scott the SF Chief of Police had to say was false.

Says who and on what evidence?

[Myran]

19 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

I see. Do you have any evidence for this? If the door was left unlocked (as if!!) then David would not have had to use his hammer to smash the window to gain entrance. 

Jesus Christ, enough with the hissy-fit. It was a suggestion of a possibility. I'm not the one making claims without proof, you are, by claiming "there WAS a third person". And you don't know for a fact that he "had" to smash the window. He could easily have assumed the door was locked or under surveillance and gone for the window from the get-go.

 

You're the one asking who could have opened the door, and the possible answers based on what little I've read are:

 

Pelosi himself, holding on to the hammer with one hand and opening the door with the other.

The police.

A third person.

 

But you don't want to entertain the possibility that your version of the events are wrong. I won't respond further, as people throwing temper tantrums are unlikely to actually read what is being written.

[candide]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Who opened the door for police? Real easy question but so far no one can answer it logically. Apparently what Rick Scott the SF Chief of Police had to say was false.

It's been already replied to you in the other thread. Just pretend you did not see it, lol! From the affidavit:

DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it. Pelosi grabbed onto DEPAPE’s hammer, which was in DEPAPE’s hand. At this point in the interview, DEPAPE repeated that DEPAPE did not plan to surrender and that he would go “through” Pelosi. 
f. DEPAPE stated that he pulled the hammer away from Pelosi and swung the hammer towards Pelosi. DEPAPE explained that Pelosi’s actions resulted in Pelosi “taking the punishment instead.”

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-charged-assault-and-attempted-kidnapping-following-breaking-and-entering-pelosi-residence

Edited November 2, 2022 by candide

[Bkk Brian]

49 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Maybe they do, maybe they don't. I don't.

No they do, its an easy 2 second google search.

 

50 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Not really. The method of entry seems debatable. The content of the 911 call is unclear. The attack scenario (which is actually quite important since the whole case is based on the attack) appears implausible. 

 

Nothing will be debunked until the trial. A police statement does not constitute the debunking of a theory. There are many cases of police statements not holding up in court. 

The following have all been debunked. There was no third person. They did not know each other. He was a right wing loon. He did admit to wanting to kneecap Nancy. The police did witness an attempted murder. Paul did not meet him in a gay bar and bring him home. The list goes on..............

[candide]

6 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

 

How the door was opened is explained in the affidavit.

"DEPAPE stated that they went downstairs to the front door. The police arrived and knocked on the door, and Pelosi ran over and opened it."

 

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/man-charged-assault-and-attempted-kidnapping-following-breaking-and-entering-pelosi-residence

[EVENKEEL]

3 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You were the one claiming he's mentally ill, not me, when challenged you now say you don't give a fork.

 

As for who opened the door, they were both right next to each other could have been either of them, who cares? Now tell me what the over whelming evidence in this case is so far?

Was there a political motivation for the attack? It makes sense.

 

Is the depape mentally ill? I'm not a doctor, but from what I read it seems plausible.

 

Edited November 2, 2022 by onthedarkside
unsourced and unsubstantiated claims removed

[EVENKEEL]

16 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Says who and on what evidence?

Name is William Scott SF Chief of Police, I got it wrong.