House unanimously votes for referendum before drafting new charter for Thailand

[snoop1130]

 

The Thai House of Representatives voted unanimously today (Thursday) to propose that the cabinet holds a referendum, to gauge the opinions of the Thai people about the drafting of a new Constitution.

 

A motion seeking a referendum was jointly proposed by Pheu Thai Party deputy leader Julapun Amornvivat and Move Forward MP for Bangkok Natthaphong Ruengpanyawut on September 15th.

 

It was debated in the House, but no decision was made because the House meeting was adjourned due to the lack of a quorum. The issue was revived today for a vote.

 

Full Story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/house-unanimously-votes-for-referendum-before-drafting-new-charter-for-thailand/

 

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[ikke1959]

A new constitution after the the new elections as the current Government is not willing to change much...and the army will still pt their influence in it.. Hopefully after the elections there can be a fair constitution written by non army backed parties.

[DezLez]

Please, not another one;

 

  Thailand's 20 or so constitutions and charters can be categorized into three groups:

Evolution of Thai constitutions since  1932 

Elected legislatures: The legislature is completely elected. This included the 1946 Constitution where the elected House selected the Senate and the 1997 Constitution where both the House and Senate are elected.

 The prime minister is either a military leader or a figurehead of the military or the palace.

This includes the 1932 constitution (after 1937), the 1947 Charter, the 1949 Constitution, the 1952 Constitution, the 1968 Constitution, the 1974 Constitution, the 1978 Constitution, the 1991 Constitution, the 2007 Constitution, and the Pending 2016 Constitution.

Absolute executives: The executive has absolute or near absolute power, with either no legislature or a completely appointed legislature. The prime minister is usually a military leader or a figurehead of the military or the palace. This includes the 1932 Charter, the 1932 constitution (before 1937), the 1959 Charter, the 1972 Charter, the 1976 Constitution, the 1991 Charter, the 2006 Interim Charter, and the 2014 Interim Constitution.

Edited November 3, 2022 by DezLez

[ikke1959]

2 minutes ago, DezLez said:

Please, not another one;

 

  Thailand's 20 constitutions and charters can be categorized into three groups:

Evolution of Thai constitutions 1932-2006  

Elected legislatures: The legislature is completely elected. This included the 1946 Constitution where the elected House selected the Senate and the 1997 Constitution where both the House and Senate are elected.

Appointed legislatures: The legislature is partly elected and partly appointed by the executive. The appointed members of the legislature are sufficient to limit the power of the elected representatives. The prime minister is either a military leader or a figurehead of the military or the palace.

This includes the 1932 constitution (after 1937), the 1947 Charter, the 1949 Constitution, the 1952 Constitution, the 1968 Constitution, the 1974 Constitution, the 1978 Constitution, the 1991 Constitution, the 2007 Constitution, and the Pending 2016 Constitution.
Absolute executives: The executive has absolute or near absolute power, with either no legislature or a completely appointed legislature. The prime minister is usually a military leader or a figurehead of the military or the palace. This includes the 1932 Charter, the 1932 constitution (before 1937), the 1959 Charter, the 1972 Charter, the 1976 Constitution, the 1991 Charter, the 2006 Interim Charter, and the 2014 Interim Constitution.

compared t many western countries which have only most a same constitution for centuries 

[DezLez]

6 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

compared t many western countries which have only most a same constitution for centuries 

Or do not have one; as in the UK!

 

The Constitution of the United Kingdom or British constitution comprises the written and unwritten arrangements that establish the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland as a political body. Unlike in most countries, no attempt has been made to codify such arrangements into a single document, thus it is known as an uncodified constitution. 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_United_Kingdom

 

Edited November 3, 2022 by DezLez

[RichardColeman]

How about a new law that nobody prefixed 'General' can hold ANY govenmental office ?

[scorecard]

10 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

A new constitution after the the new elections as the current Government is not willing to change much...and the army will still pt their influence in it.. Hopefully after the elections there can be a fair constitution written by non army backed parties.

"...written by non army backed parties."

 

How can that be when the senate is appointed from the military, how will that change, will those that put this in place allow it to change? Will those that put this in place allow this power base to change at all?

[klauskunkel]

A new Thai constitution, roughly every four years, it's about time...

 

[hotchilli]

12 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

compared t many western countries which have only most a same constitution for centuries 

Thailand needs flexibility for those at the helm.

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, DezLez said:

Please, not another one;

 

  Thailand's 20 or so constitutions and charters can be categorized into three groups:

Evolution of Thai constitutions since  1932 

Elected legislatures: The legislature is completely elected. This included the 1946 Constitution where the elected House selected the Senate and the 1997 Constitution where both the House and Senate are elected.

 The prime minister is either a military leader or a figurehead of the military or the palace.

This includes the 1932 constitution (after 1937), the 1947 Charter, the 1949 Constitution, the 1952 Constitution, the 1968 Constitution, the 1974 Constitution, the 1978 Constitution, the 1991 Constitution, the 2007 Constitution, and the Pending 2016 Constitution.

Absolute executives: The executive has absolute or near absolute power, with either no legislature or a completely appointed legislature. The prime minister is usually a military leader or a figurehead of the military or the palace. This includes the 1932 Charter, the 1932 constitution (before 1937), the 1959 Charter, the 1972 Charter, the 1976 Constitution, the 1991 Charter, the 2006 Interim Charter, and the 2014 Interim Constitution.

Go back to the 1997 constitution.

 

Oh wait, the military won't like that. I'm sure "he who must not be named" also won't approve.

 

Sorry Thailand, you only get autocracy behind a thin veneer of elections; no democracy for you.

[Denim]

New referendum 

New constitution

New Coup

New protests

New crack down

 

Rinse and repeat.

[tomazbodner]

I find it quite funny how many foreigners are cheering for a party of which program and actions include making it as hard as possible for foreigners to stay in country long term. Well... hope you get what you wish for.

[sammieuk1]

Khao San Road is the best place to pickup a new constitution and it will be far more genuine than the old one ????

[billd766]

5 hours ago, scorecard said:

"...written by non army backed parties."

 

How can that be when the senate is appointed from the military, how will that change, will those that put this in place allow it to change? Will those that put this in place allow this power base to change at all?

IMHO the senate alone will not allow this to happen as the majority will be kicked out of the senate and will lose all their power, perks and salaries.

 

They were selected and NOT elected by the current PM and owe their loyalty and positions to him and his cronies alone.

[scorecard]

10 minutes ago, billd766 said:

IMHO the senate alone will not allow this to happen as the majority will be kicked out of the senate and will lose all their power, perks and salaries.

 

They were selected and NOT elected by the current PM and owe their loyalty and positions to him and his cronies alone.

Sure, well said but it worries me that Big P and Big P have a lot of power which they won't hesitate to use to ensure they somehow maintain control and they won't be concerned what it looks like to Thais.

 

 

Edited November 4, 2022 by scorecard

[smedly]

16 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Thai House of Representatives voted unanimously today (Thursday) to propose that the cabinet holds a referendum, to gauge the opinions of the Thai people about the drafting of a new Constitution.

how about the people voting on what they want in the constitution, stuff like financial accountability - only those that win a seat voted for by the people can serve in government i.e. they must be elected, those are two good ones to start with