Why is the UK struggling more than other countries?

[RayC]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

If they want to remain or join what else would they say? Hardly a good argument against Brexit.

It would be good if you didn't take my comments out of context and misrepresent their meaning.

 

That comment of mine wasn't meant to be an argument against Brexit. It was simply pointing out that the OP's European friends, who want to leave the EU, are not representative of the wider EU public who are heavily in favour of remaining in the bloc.

[Phoenix Rising]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Carry on banging that drum by all means, but there is IMO no going back to it. Rather than bleating on constantly, UK citizens should be working to make Britain better, but so much easier to just moan about the "good old days" when Britain was ruled by Brussels.

I  agree, they should MBB (Make Britain Better) by rejoining post haste.

 

And by all means carry on banging that fake drum that Britain was ruled by Brussels. It's no less inane today than it was back in 2016.

[Kwasaki]

33 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I  agree, they should MBB (Make Britain Better) by rejoining post haste.

 

And by all means carry on banging that fake drum that Britain was ruled by Brussels. It's no less inane today than it was back in 2016.

They can't rejoin, UK has to apply. 

What good would it do. 

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

There is always the option to admit a mistake was made and reverse it. However in any event, the UK government could make things better currently by encouraging better relations with the EU.

 

It's the height of irony for Brexiters to accuse Remainers of longing for the "good old days"????

 

LOL. I'd rather be longing for the good days to come without being under the Brussels yoke.

[Kwasaki]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. I'd rather be longing for the good days to come without being under the Brussels yoke.

The EU have enough troubles of their own let them get on with it.

 

The UK is better off out of it and the new emerging joiners ???? should go and live in the EU. 

[Phoenix Rising]

46 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

They can't rejoin, UK has to apply. 

What good would it do. 

Unfettered access to the richest market in the world right on your doorstep. Duh......

 

[Kwasaki]

44 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Unfettered access to the richest market in the world right on your doorstep. Duh......

 

Yes the EU mafia club. 

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, bannork said:

That hurt.

I rather see myself as Pike's uncle, the relaxed Wilson, or more gloomily, 'We're all doomed' Frazer.

Frazer then.  ????

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Unfettered access to the richest market in the world right on your doorstep. Duh......

 

Or access to the rest of the World . 

Europe or the World , we chose the latter 

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I  agree, they should MBB (Make Britain Better) by rejoining post haste.

 

And by all means carry on banging that fake drum that Britain was ruled by Brussels. It's no less inane today than it was back in 2016.

What is inane is to deny it. We left and they're still at it to a large degree. EU boats harvesting fish as close as 6 miles off the British coast today. Not inane so much as insane. No deal was the only way to go to get any sensible concessions from this lot. 

[nauseus]

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

Well, of course it's from almost 7 years ago. You know, before Brexit actually was voted for.

Of course, no one is saying it now. The consequences of Brexit are way too apparent. Instead, Brexiters accuse the EU of being vindictive.

The EU is vindictive. But what's that got to do with the post you replied to?

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, RayC said:

If straw-clutching and/or pedancy ever become Olympic event(s), then you must be in with a real chance of becoming gold medalist!

 

Yes, what you say is correct in purely numeric terms.

 

However, I'll repeat: The opposition parties were opposed to the UK leaving the EU. Therefore, unsurprisingly, they voted against doing so.

 

As a group within the governing Tory party, the ERG were in favour of leaving the EU. Therefore, I would expect them to vote in favour of a deal which does just that. They didn't and the May administration fell.

 

If the ERG had voted in favour of the deal, it would have passed irrespective of how the opposition MPs had voted. 

 

It remains a mystery why the ERG didn't vote for May's deals. After all, throughout the Brexit campaign, Brexiters continually reiterated that they knew what they were voting for! (To be clear, this is a sarcastic comment).

It was a bad deal - that's why they voted against it.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, placeholder said:

Of course they knew what they were voting for. As Brexiters repeatedly say, "Brexit means Brexit."

No. That was Maybot.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 hours ago, RayC said:

If straw-clutching and/or pedancy ever become Olympic event(s), then you must be in with a real chance of becoming gold medalist!

 

Yes, what you say is correct in purely numeric terms.

 

However, I'll repeat: The opposition parties were opposed to the UK leaving the EU. Therefore, unsurprisingly, they voted against doing so.

 

As a group within the governing Tory party, the ERG were in favour of leaving the EU. Therefore, I would expect them to vote in favour of a deal which does just that. They didn't and the May administration fell.

 

If the ERG had voted in favour of the deal, it would have passed irrespective of how the opposition MPs had voted. 

 

It remains a mystery why the ERG didn't vote for May's deals. After all, throughout the Brexit campaign, Brexiters continually reiterated that they knew what they were voting for! (To be clear, this is a sarcastic comment).

Yes, but the  MPs were offered Mays deal , which was a sort of half in half out deal, Brexit in name only , this deal was voted against by both the MP's who wanted a hard Brexit and also the MPs who wanted to remain  in the E.U.

    The the Remain MP,s voted for Mays BRINO deal , the UK would still be be half in the E.U.

   It was both the full on leave MP's and the Remain MPs who rejected the BRINO offer

[candide]

25 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or access to the rest of the World . 

Europe or the World , we chose the latter 

You already had access to the world as the EU is the economic entity with the largest number and scope of trade deal. Nearly all UK trade deals are continuation deals of EU deals, except Australia (which weights peanuts).

 

Also, if I remember well, excluding energy for obvious reasons, UK trade with other countries also decreased and did not compensate for the loss of trade with the EU.

[nauseus]

5 hours ago, RayC said:

There is always the option to admit a mistake was made and reverse it. However in any event, the UK government could make things better currently by encouraging better relations with the EU.

 

It's the height of irony for Brexiters to accuse Remainers of longing for the "good old days"????

 

No there isn't. Elements of the UK government were hoping for better relations with the EU right after the referendum result was known. Cameron had already butted his head against the Brussels brick wall and could see the writing on it - so the coward quickly and deftly got out. The worst thing about that was the arrival of May, and we know how that worked out.

 

Despite occasional hopeful comments from individual EU commissioners in the following years, near and in the end, it was obvious that the EU had never intended to go down the route of negotiations in "good faith", for fear that other members might also opt to quit if a good and sensible deal was possible.

 

The political aims of the EU always override the economic ones. The idea of a sensible economic partnership is not enough for the EU and that's the main problem with it.

 

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, nauseus said:

No there isn't. Elements of the UK government were hoping for better relations with the EU right after the referendum result was known. Cameron had already butted his head against the Brussels brick wall and could see the writing on it - so the coward quickly and deftly got out. The worst thing about that was the arrival of May, and we know how that worked out.

 

To be fair to David Cameroon , he was a devout Remainer and wanted to Remain in the E.U and he voted to Remain in the E.U and he thought that as a Remainer, he wasn't the right person to lead negotiations in the UK's Brexit , so he resigned as PM

[nauseus]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

To be fair to David Cameroon , he was a devout Remainer and wanted to Remain in the E.U and he voted to Remain in the E.U and he thought that as a Remainer, he wasn't the right person to lead negotiations in the UK's Brexit , so he resigned as PM

Mac, the referendum was his baby. He should have been a more responsible parent. 

[Phoenix Rising]

48 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or access to the rest of the World . 

Europe or the World , we chose the latter 

Yes, because you've no access to "the World" as a member of EU and you're able to negotiate much better deals as a single nation of 60 mil than a trade block of 450 mil people!????

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, nauseus said:

Mac, the referendum was his baby. He should have been a more responsible parent. 

Cameroon didn't want to leave the E.U.

Here is his speech just after the referendum was announced 

He was trying to convince the British public to vote Remain and he only called a referendum in an attempt to silence UKIP (who were gaining popularity and taking votes )

   (Video content :*Cameron saying the UK should vote remain )

 

[Phoenix Rising]

45 minutes ago, nauseus said:

What is inane is to deny it. We left and they're still at it to a large degree. EU boats harvesting fish as close as 6 miles off the British coast today. Not inane so much as insane. No deal was the only way to go to get any sensible concessions from this lot. 

Yes, despite the numbers the EU is hurting much more from Brexit that the UK!

And in other news from the Twilight Zone.....

[nauseus]

14 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Cameroon didn't want to leave the E.U.

Here is his speech just after the referendum was announced 

He was trying to convince the British public to vote Remain and he only called a referendum in an attempt to silence UKIP (who were gaining popularity and taking votes )

   (Video content :*Cameron saying the UK should vote remain )

 

I remember it. Like I said, his baby.

[Mac Mickmanus]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

I remember it. Like I said, his baby.

More like : His Wife's baby and he's not the Father and he didn't want the kid and so abandoned it 

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or access to the rest of the World . 

Europe or the World , we chose the latter 

Dream on.

[josephbloggs]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or access to the rest of the World . 

Europe or the World , we chose the latter 

This is the most idiotic response in the entire thread (and that is saying something!).

Oh my.

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

This is the most idiotic response in the entire thread (and that is saying something!).

Oh my.

Have you read every post in this thread ?

I need to make sure that my post is  being judged fairly 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Or access to the rest of the World . 

Europe or the World , we chose the latter 

The UK always had access to the rest of the world while a member of the EU.

 

 

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Have you read every post in this thread ?

I need to make sure that my post is  being judged fairly 

Take it from me, someone who has read the entire thread, it is. 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

The EU is vindictive. But what's that got to do with the post you replied to?

Even if your assessment is true, the point is that Brexiters claimed that the EU needed the UK more than the UK needed the EU. Now their excuse for its deleterious effect on the economy is that the EU is being vindictive. Brexiters repeatedly ignored the basic arithmetic that showed, vindictive or not, EU members would suffer far less than the UK.

[josephbloggs]

31 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Have you read every post in this thread ?

I need to make sure that my post is  being judged fairly 

Yes I have, and congratulations!