Democrats maintain control of U.S. Senate, NBC News projects, defeating many Trump-backed Republicans

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, EVENKEEL said:

I agree, the carrot is getting smaller.

Those people were motivated by climate change issues, and abortion, not carrots.

[Non Immigrant]

6 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

Overall good outcome that can help build reassurance in the American people's common sense not to go down the pro MAGA anti democratic rabbit hole.

The fact that some dodgy and crazy MAGA candidates still got close to 50 per cent of the vote or won is still disappointing but I'll take the overall pro democratic outcome above what could have happened. 

Why do you support the democrats?

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

OK, You're saying that a paid for Cancun vacation  wasn't an incentive for many young people.

This is a misinformation post so live with your falsehoods.

[stevenl]

Besides Trump and abortion I think also the lack of a solution to the US problems was an issue for the Republicans.  They have been against everything Biden wanted, but didn't come with the alternatives.

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

This is a misinformation post so live with your falsehoods.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/personalfinance/after-student-loan-forgiveness-73-25-of-borrowers-plan-to-spend-more-on-travel-and-dining-out/ar-AA13UI7E

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/how-student-debt-forgiveness-recipients-plan-to-spend.html

[ozimoron]

Here's yet another issue which cost the Republicans votes. They have a habit of picking the wrong side in foreign policy.

 

Why the Saudis Aren't Crazy About Democrats | Opinion

 

It comes on top of financially suspect contributions of billions of dollars of Saudi public money to investment funds run by Trump's son-in-law Jared Kushner and former Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin. Saudi Arabia's sovereign wealth fund has funneled millions more into Trump-owned golf clubs hosting the breakaway LIV golf tour.

 

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While insisting that his visit was intended to promote a peaceful solution to the Ukraine conflict, the UAE president's meeting with Putin in Saint Petersburg less than a week after OPEC's gift to Russia undermines international efforts to isolate a war criminal.

 

https://www.newsweek.com/why-saudis-arent-crazy-about-democrats-opinion-1758669

 

 

[ThailandRyan]

9 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/personalfinance/after-student-loan-forgiveness-73-25-of-borrowers-plan-to-spend-more-on-travel-and-dining-out/ar-AA13UI7E

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/how-student-debt-forgiveness-recipients-plan-to-spend.html

And where in those articles does it say they will vote democratic...your laughable. They are not being paid to vote and the Student loan forgiveness has been stopped once again by another Federal Judge. You like to believe that any type of stimulus is a vote buying scheme.

Edited November 13, 2022 by ThailandRyan

[scorecard]

7 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Yep, the big lie about WMD. 9/11 saved Bush who proceeded to attack the wrong country. He was known for not being too bright as a President, and like Reagan, didn't really run the country.

'...and like Reagan, didn't really run the country'.

 

Reminds me of a comment from a respected commentator during his presidency;

 

'Reagan comes across to me as always basically saying '...well if things don't change they'll stay the same', with an expectation that his listeners would be impressed. 

Edited November 13, 2022 by scorecard

[EVENKEEL]

6 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

And where in those articles does it say they will vote democratic...your laughable. They are not being paid to vote and the Student loan forgiveness has been stopped once again by another Federal Judge. You like to believe that any type of stimulus is a vote buying scheme.

So when a GOP lowers taxes on the wealthy, what would you consider that?

[Phoenix Rising]

36 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

I agree, the carrot is getting smaller.

I think it's been established that it's shaped as a mushroom but we can definitively agree on it getting smaller.....

[ozimoron]

14 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So when a GOP lowers taxes on the wealthy, what would you consider that?

Theft and transfer of wealth from the poor to the rich. The poor paid the taxes which funded that wealth transfer. In no way was it refunding taxes paid by the wealthy.

[EVENKEEL]

2 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

I think it's been established that it's shaped as a mushroom but we can definitively agree on it getting smaller.....

A link please.

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/finance/personalfinance/after-student-loan-forgiveness-73-25-of-borrowers-plan-to-spend-more-on-travel-and-dining-out/ar-AA13UI7E

 

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/11/09/how-student-debt-forgiveness-recipients-plan-to-spend.html

A federal judge calls student loan relief unlawful, deepening limbo for borrowers

 

It was nothing to do with the student loans.

 

As already stated in the exit polls, young people voted on abortion and climate change as just two of their most important issues.

 

Your misinformation is not surprising however, a Trump classic, throw out accusations with no proof.

[ozimoron]

Trump is now trying to blame McConnell for the GOP senate loss. In the house, the fringe is demanding power to support McCarthy as speaker.

[Phoenix Rising]

19 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So when a GOP lowers taxes on the wealthy, what would you consider that?

Business as usual.

[EVENKEEL]

1 minute ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Business as usual.

Exactly.

[candide]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

IMHO youth portion of the electorate turned up with concerns for climate change and abortion rights. Millennium was concerned with guns control issues and political integrity while the older voters concerns were for the depolarization of society and the erosion of democracy. I am simply proud of American voters who understand the importance of this midterm election and prevented the county falling into an abyss. 

Right. The GOP thought it would bank on stressing traditional conservative values and policies: anti-abortion, anti-green, anti-woke, anti-LGBT, pro-gun, pro-religion, etc....

They forgot that, by definition, young people are often less conservative than older ones.  It's not their "world". The GOP emphasis on values actually gave causes for young people to get interested in politics again

[ThailandRyan]

22 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

So when a GOP lowers taxes on the wealthy, what would you consider that?

A tax cut and nothing more. Not a vote buying scheme as many wealthy folks are not Republicans.....nor are they Democrats.....nice try at baiting.

[HappyExpat57]

I heard a talking head today strike a bold stance, saying this Republican party needs to be demolished. He was talking about the election deniers, the nut jobs that defend the likes of Boebert, MTG, Herschel Walker and, of course, Trump. This election demonstrated people of all parties are finally waking up to the idiocy of election denying and the craziness associated with it.

 

Now the Republicans are in a lethal dilemma. The former disgraced president is going to announce another run for office, and the party is openly admitting his toxicity. A large number of the voters are diehard supporters - those who would still vote for him even if he did shoot someone in the street. There are plenty of sensible Republicans who recognize how foolish this man is, how another term under his mismanagement would do serious harm to the country.

 

Further, DeSantis is also most likely going to run. If he wins the primary election, Trump won't throw him any support. He will instead enter scorched earth attack mode. This will really throw the party into a tailspin, to the point that if a spoiled ham sandwich runs for the Democrats, it will win. VP Harris is probably enjoying this immensely.

 

It will be interesting to see how this plays out.

Edited November 13, 2022 by HappyExpat57

[billd766]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Links to the stories proving 10k was given for votes please.....

Laughter as usual, but also no link as usual.

[ozimoron]

Political analysis in America would be enhanced by thinking of Donald Trump more like Hungarian strongman Viktor Orbán than an extreme Republican, a political scientist explained on Saturday.

"The most maddening thing in US politics since 2015 has been people misreading Trump as a more extreme Republican, rather than as Palm Beach Orbán," wrote Brian Klass of University College London. "He’s an authoritarian, which means analysis that puts him into the normal US framework is consistently wrong.

 

https://www.rawstory.com/trump-authoritarian/

[johnnybangkok]

2 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

As a young person getting 10K for a possible bad decision I know who I'd vote for.

Student debt in the US is a serious problem of which only one party is trying to solve; much like infrastructure, unemployment, climate change and human rights (to include abortion).

Perhaps other than the suspicion that everyone has only their own self interest to inform their political opinion (a GOP and MAGA favourite) coupled with a nothing but negative political campaign that harped back to the 1950's,  the well-informed, younger thankfully voted with their conscious and their own future at heart.

There is light at the end of a very dark tunnel.

[metisdead]

A troll post with a trolling image has been removed.

[ozimoron]

More buyer remorse. Remember the "It's time to start taking down names and kicking ass" guy? All self interest and no ethics.

 

“It would be a bad mistake for the Republicans to have Donald Trump as their nominee in 2024,” Brooks told AL.com. “Donald Trump has proven himself to be dishonest, disloyal, incompetent, crude and a lot of other things that alienate so many independents and Republicans. Even a candidate who campaigns from his basement can beat him.”

 

https://www.rawstory.com/mo-brooks-donald-trump-2658638824/?traffic_source=Connatix

 

 

[Jerno]

7 hours ago, Thailand said:

Trump

 

 

Tired of losing yet?  Too much losing!  Yes.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, Jerno said:

Tired of losing yet?  Too much losing!  Yes.

If we're still looking for reasons that the GOP blew it, McCarthy's recent characterisation of Ukraine military assistance as a "blank check" didn't help much.

[heybruce]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

And like all presidents and country leaders he relied on his staff to brief him. Rarely does any president make the decision to take his/her country to war on his own.

 

The only exception I  can think of is Putin, and look at the pigs ear he has made of that.

 

Getting off-topic, but Bush was responsible for appointing that staff and chose to listen to the chicken-hawks instead of the actual military experts advising caution.  https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/20/opinion/mills-truth-teller-iraq/index.html

[ozimoron]

A statistical perspective of how bad the election was for the GOP historically.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/10/republican-losses-2022-midterms/

[ozimoron]

I'm hoping that Trump does decide to run in the vain hope that it will deter the DoJ from prosecuting him. That will gin up his MAGA crowd and incite a fight between the freedom party and team normal for the house speakership and control of the agenda. If the far right win that fight it will doom the GOP for generations and they will have no choice but to form a third party. Either that or kneecap democracy.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/11/10/republican-losses-2022-midterms/

 

According to retired federal prosecutor Thomas Baer, "He thinks that if he is running for president this will cause prosecutors to drop their cases or think twice because it could be interpreted as political, a reaction to his running. The answer is: No, they will not hold back.”

[EVENKEEL]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

A federal judge calls student loan relief unlawful, deepening limbo for borrowers

 

It was nothing to do with the student loans.

 

As already stated in the exit polls, young people voted on abortion and climate change as just two of their most important issues.

 

Your misinformation is not surprising however, a Trump classic, throw out accusations with no proof.

• The "red tsunami" Republicans were hoping for didn't happen at the midterm elections.
• Advocates and lawmakers are crediting youth voter turnout that helped deliver wins for Democrats.
• Student-loan forgiveness was a major policy that had support from the majority of young voters.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/bidens-student-loan-forgiveness-is-at-risk-it-may-have-helped-stop-a-red-tsunami-as-gen-z-flocked-to-the-polls-to-save-their-relief/ar-AA13VnEN