Federal judge declines to hold Trump in contempt of court

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By Katelyn Polantz, Casey Gannon, Hannah Rabinowitz, Lauren Koenig and Kristen Holmes, CNN

Washington (CNN) — A federal judge declined to hold former President Donald Trump in contempt of court in a closed-door hearing on Friday, two sources familiar with the matter told CNN.

 

The sources also told CNN that Chief Judge Beryl Howell instead pressed the Trump team and the Justice Department to work together to find a mutually agreeable resolution.

 

ABC News first reported the judge had urged the teams to resolve the matter themselves.

 

Full story: https://edition.cnn.com/2022/12/06/politics/trump-organization-fraud-trial-verdict/index.html

 

-- © Copyright CNN 2022-12-10

[Pattaya Spotter]

A lot of tears and knashing of teeth this morning among the T-V readership ????????????

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29 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

A lot of tears and knashing of teeth this morning among the T-V readership ????????????

It's funny. When the Trump Organization was found guilty on all 17 counts and fined 1.6 million, it was portrayed by Trump supporters as at worst a nothingburger and at best some kind of victory. But when a motion before a judge is denied, it is treated as some kind of important defeat.

[EVENKEEL]

30 minutes ago, placeholder said:

It's funny. When the Trump Organization was found guilty on all 17 counts and fined 1.6 million, it was portrayed by Trump supporters as at worst a nothingburger and at best some kind of victory. But when a motion before a judge is denied, it is treated as some kind of important defeat.

What is humorous is that the many posters here had Trump behind bars as soon as he left office.

[ozimoron]

I think this is the wrong article (OP)?

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2 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What is humorous is that the many posters here had Trump behind bars as soon as he left office.

Actually, what's humorous is the obliviousness of Trump supporters to the fact that the reasons for the slow pace in getting Trump tried is that his lawyers have managed very successfully to slow down the various investigations. But the delaying tactics are coming to an end.

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

What is humorous is that the many posters here had Trump behind bars as soon as he left office.

Urging them to work together isn't a hint, it's an order. Trump still has to comply.

[ballpoint]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

It's funny. When the Trump Organization was found guilty on all 17 counts and fined 1.6 million, it was portrayed by Trump supporters as at worst a nothingburger and at best some kind of victory. But when a motion before a judge is denied, it is treated as some kind of important defeat.

And it's a CNN article they're climaxing over.  It must be fake news then.  The hypocrisy! The hypocrisy!  

[thaibeachlovers]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

What is humorous is that the many posters here had Trump behind bars as soon as he left office.

Yes it is humerous, but don't expect any of them to see the joke as it's on them.

 

Quite a long list of what was going to happen when he lost, including being served with divorce papers, and fleeing to Russia etc.

It's a grey day here, but at least that headline cheered me up.

 

I'm now waiting for the next session of congress when the old committees get the order of the boot and Jordan gets to head the one that matters.

[xylophone]

3 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

What is humorous is that the many posters here had Trump behind bars as soon as he left office.

Which is where he should be!

[candide]

2 hours ago, ballpoint said:

And it's a CNN article they're climaxing over.  It must be fake news then.  The hypocrisy! The hypocrisy!  

Without having read it.

[ozimoron]

I'm not sure quite why the right are seeing this as a victory. The judge made no ruling as to innocence or guilt here. The FBI can now proceed straight to arrest and indictment if they wish.

[KhunLA]

I think a few may want to actually read the 'op-ed' ...

... "Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case,"

[ozimoron]

Just now, KhunLA said:

I think a few may want to actually read the 'op-ed' ...

... "Donald Trump and his family were not charged in this case,"

off topic

[Eric Loh]

6 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

A lot of tears and knashing of teeth this morning among the T-V readership ????????????

Actually the contrary. This is the judge telling DOJ to stop pussyfooting with the case and just indict Trump. Judge has an indirect message for DOJ to forget about asking for documents because Trump has and will never be honest with his lawyers. Indictments are on the way. 

[Srikcir]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

I'm not sure quite why the right are seeing this as a victory. The judge made no ruling as to innocence or guilt here. The FBI can now proceed straight to arrest and indictment if they wish.

Agreed.

The Court essentially put the order in abeyance to assure necessary steps in judicial fairness are first attempted, ie., dependent and prosecution work out some declaratory language. Likely defense will refuse to cooperate (at Trump's direction) for of declaration such as 'the documents are all personal property because I took them', respond in some obstructive manner, thus further justifying the order. 

This process will only follow a week at best before the prosecution goes back to the judge to say 'mission impossible.'

[RichardColeman]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

The FBI can now proceed straight to arrest and indictment if they wish.

Oh come on, surely you mean the FBI - the organisation run by the democrats for the democrats against anyone else that does not like their agenda ! That organisation that called the Hunter Biden laptop fake - and the 50 FBI agents kept their job.  Just a corrupt organisation now and not what it was. 

[Eric Loh]

49 minutes ago, RichardColeman said:

Oh come on, surely you mean the FBI - the organisation run by the democrats for the democrats against anyone else that does not like their agenda ! That organisation that called the Hunter Biden laptop fake - and the 50 FBI agents kept their job.  Just a corrupt organisation now and not what it was. 

Desperate attempt at diversion of the organization run by a Republican and appointed by Trump. 

[riclag]

Oops wrong dc district court judge!

Bet they won’t go to her again! Imop Time for garlands goons to go judge shopping! Maybe Judge  Amy

Berman jackson . Imop

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-declines-hold-former-president-trump-contempt-court-classified-material-battle

 

 

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26 minutes ago, riclag said:

Oops wrong dc district court judge!

Bet they won’t go to her again! Imop Time for garlands goons to go judge shopping! Maybe Judge  Amy

Berman jackson . Imop

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-declines-hold-former-president-trump-contempt-court-classified-material-battle

 

 

You're confused, It was Trump's lawyers who went shopping for a judge. It's how that found the extraordinarily incompetent Aileen Cannon.

As for the current judge, he didn't rule out contempt in the future. He just told them to keep trying. And, it's obvious why no lawyer wants to be the one responsible for certifying that no more government documents are in Trump's possession. One claimed that previously and got badly burned after the FBI found a plethora of documents at Mar a Lago. I wonder who told her that there was nothing left to find.

[Tropposurfer]

Old news:

What is now recent and far more cogent ... and which is only given impetus by his organisations being found, across the board, guilty of entangled and connected crimes re tax and other frauds is the Special Federal Prosecutor Jack Smith  (last 24 hours) filed contempt charges against Trump re; the investigation pending prosecution of Trump in regard to the J6 insurrection he is heading up.

This is a checkmate for the Orange freak and one he can't get dismissed or delayed by him.

Add to this the bag-load of federal subpoena's for high ranking Republican operatives across the nation by Smith  in the last few days and things aren't looking good for the treasonous co-conspirators of J6, right the way to the top of that rotten tree. 

What is also of very pressing magnitude for the fraud, thief, and traitor Trump is the NY investigations into his NY tax fraud which now has a new prosecutor appointed by Melvin Bragg.

Not to mention Letitia James' tax cases in NY State which are very advanced solid and indicate criminal charges for Trump himself, his family, and open court for them all.

Both these tax investigation and what appears to be a inexorable pathway to open court trial on very serious tax fraud charges for both, which carry tens of years in jail as commensurate penalty if found guilty.

It also appears that through Letitia James investigations and the recent appointment of an embedded 'monitor' of all Trumps businesses in NY State means (if he is indeed as guilty as many observers, and pundits say he is) his capacity to do any business ever again in NY. This will bring lawful disqualification, under any circumstance, that will see him unable to conduct any form of financial wheeling and dealing in NY ever again, not to mention the pending garnishing of over 250 million dollars from his ill gotten thievery. The stinking stigma that will come from. this will brand him forever. He will, if convicted, be persona-non-grata to banks anywhere in the USA. His capacity to do backroom shady deals with foreign lenders like he did with Deutsche Bank and the Saudi's and god knows who else will be impossible. Any money that comes to him, through any entity, will immediately be flagged and seen by the Fed's and NY Sate officials.

Then there's his own daughter just (today) being given what appears some sort of immunity from prosecution in exchange for what legal pundits say almost certainly means she's flipped on her own father and will give information on him to these investigations in NY state and NY city so she doesn't go down with his defrauding ship in the next short while. 

Happy trails Donald the Consummate Scumbag.

Edited December 10, 2022 by Tropposurfer

[Tug]

12 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

What is humorous is that the many posters here had Trump behind bars as soon as he left office.

Me thinks ya better batten down your hatches and pump ya bilges skipper the storms a coming be patient the wheels of Justice turn slowly especially in the case of a disgraced ex president 

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Oh come on, surely you mean the FBI - the organisation run by the democrats for the democrats against anyone else that does not like their agenda ! That organisation that called the Hunter Biden laptop fake - and the 50 FBI agents kept their job.  Just a corrupt organisation now and not what it was. 

The organization run by a Republican appointed by a Republican (by Trump, if you consider him a true Republican).  The organization that put Trump in the White House by re-opening  the HRC email investigation days before the 2016 election.

[scorecard]

On 12/10/2022 at 4:12 PM, Srikcir said:

Agreed.

The Court essentially put the order in abeyance to assure necessary steps in judicial fairness are first attempted, ie., dependent and prosecution work out some declaratory language. Likely defense will refuse to cooperate (at Trump's direction) for of declaration such as 'the documents are all personal property because I took them', respond in some obstructive manner, thus further justifying the order. 

This process will only follow a week at best before the prosecution goes back to the judge to say 'mission impossible.'

Well said, the justices / justice processes must ensure there's full balance, laid doen processes are fully followed and fairness.

 

In this case it doesn't mean the rump is innocent.