In Wake Of Shocking Dinner, Trump Says It's Jews Who Should Be 'Ashamed' For Disloyalty

[Scott]

Less than two weeks after Donald Trump hosted antisemitic rapper Kanye West and his white nationalist and Holocaust-denying pal Nick Fuentes at a Mar-a-Lago dinner, the former president said on Friday that Jewish leaders “should be ashamed of themselves” for their “lack of loyalty” to him.

 

“How quickly Jewish leaders forgot that I was the best, by far, president for Israel,” Trump wrote on Truth Social after posting an op-ed from a far-right conspiracy theorist who said that Trump did more for Israel and the “Jewish people than anyone in history.”

 

“This lack of loyalty to their greatest friends and allies is why large numbers in Congress, and so many others, have stopped giving support to Israel,” he added in his first public comment to the Jewish community since a deluge of criticism in the wake of the highly controversial dinner.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/wake-shocking-dinner-trump-says-030327782.html

 

[Bluespunk]

The man’s narcissism is just unbelievable. There is no bar too low for him to crawl under when painting himself as the victim. He is beyond contempt. 

[Social Media]

 

[bendejo]

I guess with Sheldon Adelson (perhaps his biggest single donor, previously) being dead he has no further use for Jews and Israel. 

 

[pegman]

1 hour ago, bendejo said:

I guess with Sheldon Adelson (perhaps his biggest single donor, previously) being dead he has no further use for Jews and Israel. 

 

Very true. The widow has closed the purse to Republicans. She knows they can't deliver with Biden in office.  Politics in the United States is entirely transactional. Then they endlessly harp on other's corruption. 

[Jingthing]

Jewish Americans are Americans.

Israelis are Israelis.

They are very different groups.

Yes, Israelis love him. Israel is more right wing than ever. Radically so.

The vast majority of American Jews have always seen Trump as a dangerous fascist buffoon. 

American Jews are majority on the left and feel alliance with other minority groups that have been "othered" by American society, generally non-whites (the base of the democratic party) and LGBT people. Lately, with the disgusting racist Ye and his Hitler loving holocaust denial promoting a fresh wave of antisemitism through pop culture, it's been sadly highlighted that the alliances aren't sufficiently mutual.

The fascist American right wing is white nationalist and would like the USA to become more of a white ethno state.

They see Israel as a Jewish ethno state. I can't say they're wrong about that even with a 20 percent Arab minority.

They also love Putin's Russia because they romanticize that as a "traditional values" Christian white ethno state.

Wouldn't it be great if all American Jews moved there so the USA could be more white? 

White Christian evangelicals love Israel not because they like Jews but because it fits their religious dogma about the end times, in which all actual Jewish people are doomed if they don't convert.

Israelis will take such toxic allegiances as support is support. American Jews see through it.

 

I realize the above post is a strong statement but it reflects my opinion.

I am only representing my opinion with it. 

Cheers.

 

[Chomper Higgot]

Tell me again how he’s running for President.

 

He’s doing no such thing, he’s grifting the far rightwing and racists in his base while onboarding them for the stochastic terrorism he engages in.

 

 

[nigelforbes]

He's going to the big house, at some point he has to.

[OneMoreFarang]

4 hours ago, nigelforbes said:

He's going to the big house, at some point he has to.

The White House? The prison? Or a mental hospital?

[nigelforbes]

32 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The White House? The prison? Or a mental hospital?

The last two are okay 

[spidermike007]

This totally unhinged man is likely not serious about this campaign. His window has closed, and his likelihood of victory is next to zero, though there is a small possibility that he is delusional enough to believe it is possible.

 

It is more likely about continuing his life of theft and cheating his remaining devotees of hard earned money. 

[bigupandchill]

5 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

his likelihood of victory is next to zero

That's what they said last time.

[PaulDee]

26 minutes ago, bigupandchill said:

That's what they said last time.

And they were RIGHT!

[thaibeachlovers]

While his comments were somewhat OTT, he did do a lot for Israel, like moving the embassy to Jerusalem, despite it doing nothing to bring peace to that unfortunate region.

[Srikcir]

On 12/11/2022 at 4:16 AM, pegman said:

Very true. The widow has closed the purse to Republicans. She knows they can't deliver with Biden in office.  Politics in the United States is entirely transactional. Then they endlessly harp on other's corruption. 

You're more likely to see transactional politics in a democratic society that is notable by constant shifts in political connections and corporate alliances. Shifting political alliances and ideologies requires democracy for any kind of reconciliation that leads to innovative and fruitfull legislation, albeit with sometimes political pain. 

 

Conversely, transactional politics would struggle in an authoritarian society symbolized by a largely long-term fixed political leadership that may include partially unelected government leaders (ie., communist regimes, no term limits, self-declared leaders for life). The result is long-term political loyalties are required for corporate and electoral stability and survival. This translates into a fertile environment of greater corruption.

Thus, in relative comparison, transactional politics provides less opportunity for corruption due to its greater exposure and volatility in a free and open society versus a largely controlled society. As used by D. Trump, transactional politics delivers loyalty soley to Trump personally in a controlled society. Trump has no commitment to a political ideology other than whatever it takes to benefit himself. 

Trump went beyond transactional politics to normalize the influence of money over political power. The lobby of the Trump International Hotel I Washington became the gateway to the White House.

See Jan. 20, 2020

 https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/202001/trumps-brand-of-transactional-politics/604978/

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

47 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

This totally unhinged man is likely not serious about this campaign. His window has closed, and his likelihood of victory is next to zero, though there is a small possibility that he is delusional enough to believe it is possible.

 

It is more likely about continuing his life of theft and cheating his remaining devotees of hard earned money. 

While ignoring the rest of your post, I understand he never expected to win the first time, and was taken unaware by the level of antipathy for Washington which saw him in the White House.

The book, Fire and Fury by Michael Wolff explains it far better than I can in limited time on here.

Put simply, enough people hated Washington enough to vote a tv reality show host into the most powerful position on planet earth.

[swm59nj]

Trump believes that he did more for everyone than anyone in history 

[Skeptic7]

This egomaniacal jackwagon is hilarious. Claims to be best at everything "by far", knows more than everyone...when in fact the opposite is true.

 

6 hotel & casino bankruptcies

Crashed his airline (Trump Shuttle) 

His mortgage company was Repo'd (Trump Mortgage)

Shredded his magazine (Trump Mag)

Failed at presidency (Trump 1-term Loser)

Burnt the steak (Trump Steaks)

 

This toxic narcissist know-nothing whack-job even ran the still dry at booze! (Trump Vodka) 

[thaibeachlovers]

4 minutes ago, Skeptic7 said:

This egomaniacal jackwagon is hilarious. Claims to be best at everything "by far", knows more than everyone...when in fact the opposite is true.

 

6 hotel & casino bankruptcies

Crashed his airline (Trump Shuttle) 

His mortgage company was Repo'd (Trump Mortgage)

Shredded his magazine (Trump Mag)

Failed at presidency (Trump 1-term Loser)

Burnt the steak (Trump Steaks)

 

This toxic narcissist know-nothing whack-job even ran the still dry at booze! (Trump Vodka) 

So what. Everyone knew what he was and still voted for him in preference to her.

 

It's a bit sad that he still wants to put his family through the media BS for another go at it, but perhaps he's just playing a bad joke on the opposition. He knows they hate him so he' s just getting in their face to annoy them, and it's working.

Personally, if he is serious, I hope he doesn't get enough money to try again. That might split the GOP vote and allow a Democrat get the White House again, and I certainly don't want that to happen.

[Scouse123]

On 12/10/2022 at 9:07 PM, Bluespunk said:

The man’s narcissism is just unbelievable. There is no bar too low for him to crawl under when painting himself as the victim. He is beyond contempt. 

100%

 

I'm amazed he still has support at all amongst grassroots Republicans, he guy is a menace, a complete liar and stranger to reality and a danger to the USA.

 

He wasn't even a Republican a few years ago.

[Tropposurfer]

He's a traitorous POS that's for sure.

I have to say, yes I can't help myself because his filthiness promotes in me such revulsion I simply must vomit this bile up for me own health;

He like many many rightist American's is a white supremacist, nothing historically or culturally earth shattering in this truth. 

Such a belief dovetails perfectly with his narcissism and life-privilege albeit it was all stolen and fraudulently come by wealth (he stole his families inheritance left by his dad no less) which formed the foundational funding of his entire scam business life.  The admiration and 'wet panties' he has for 'strong leaders' is for him not so traditionally based as it is for other fascists. i.e. its not a matter of ideological/quasi spiritualistic white-power and blood thing.

For Trump is more an extension of his extreme sociopathy married with his extreme narcissism. Its just convenient for him to use this to feed the former mentioned two major facets of his psyche. The third, fourth, and fifth being his extreme insecurity, toxic levels of shame, and immeasurable rage (ala dear old dad and mom).

 

If the walls really do close in for Traitor Trump and he is looking seriously like being convicted with jail time I wonder if he has already begun to plan to flee to one of the Arab states like some other big time felons have?

 

On a further existential note I have grave tremors in my gut when I think of how the USA can survive and have any chance of semblance of healthy-growth if the nation does not carry the investigations into open court prosecutions and jail sentences commensurate  with the high crimes perpetrated by Trump, and many others at the top of the poisonous sedition and treason tree.

[Scouse123]

1 minute ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So what. Everyone knew what he was and still voted for him in preference to her.

 

It's a bit sad that he still wants to put his family through the media BS for another go at it, but perhaps he's just playing a bad joke on the opposition. He knows they hate him so he' s just getting in their face to annoy them, and it's working.

Personally, if he is serious, I hope he doesn't get enough money to try again. That might split the GOP vote and allow a Democrat get the White House again, and I certainly don't want that to happen.

They say by hook and crook and cheating by massaging the figures, he has built up a massive '; war chest ' to fight the next election from sources that say he duped many unsuspecting donors.

 

Anyway, the USA can't be in a bigger mess politically than we are in the UK.

 

We have a choice between lousy and terrible.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

100%

 

I'm amazed he still has support at all amongst grassroots Republicans, he guy is a menace, a complete liar and stranger to reality and a danger to the USA.

 

He wasn't even a Republican a few years ago.

You are looking at it all wrong IMO. Don't look at them supporting him personally, but hating Washington so much they''ll vote for an outsider, even if they wouldn't have anything to do with him as a person.

 

I'm sure you've heard the term "the enemy of my enemy is my friend".

 

I'm pretty sure they still hate Washington.

Edited December 12, 2022 by thaibeachlovers

[Michaelaway]

Agree: toxic narcissist... add smug, arrogant, dishonest, liar, untrustworthy, egomaniac, prejudiced, misogynist, megalomaniac & yesterday's news' favorite moron (who keeps proving it every time he opens his mouth).

[Tropposurfer]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

So what. Everyone knew what he was and still voted for him in preference to her.

 

It's a bit sad that he still wants to put his family through the media BS for another go at it, but perhaps he's just playing a bad joke on the opposition. He knows they hate him so he' s just getting in their face to annoy them, and it's working.

Personally, if he is serious, I hope he doesn't get enough money to try again. That might split the GOP vote and allow a Democrat get the White House again, and I certainly don't want that to happen.

Your alternative to the Dem's running the nation is quite clear and is totally independent of ones political beliefs.

What your nation is facing is a Party no longer resembling Republican ideals but one of open sedition and conspiracy to destroy the fundamental tenants of democracy. A Party populated by such cowardice, lies, and complicity as to threaten the very fabric of American society.

 

I might suggest to anyone who is reading this thread who is American and votes to grab a hold of this  fundamental truth.

 

Then, I also suggest once you stop shaking with fear and anger, and perhaps crying in the grief process of feeling this reality you then consider the wider implications. Of a Party that is so fundamentally broken, morally corrupted that the entire world will be in danger if the citizens of the United States (now there's a misnomer) do not send this Party to the outlying frozen and oh-so isolated regions of a political and social Arctic winter. There to die hopefully and be reborn into something once again reflective nd interwoven with the ideals, the honour of Lincoln.

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

He's a traitorous POS that's for sure.

I have to say, yes I can't help myself because his filthiness promotes in me such revulsion I simply must vomit this bile up for me own health;

LOL, that's exactly how I felt about Hillary Clinton.

I'm not at all surprised they voted for him when he was the only credible alternative to 4 years of her.

I said at the time that given a choice between her and a rock I'd vote for the rock, given that a rock wouldn't make things worse.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 minutes ago, Tropposurfer said:

Your alternative to the Dem's running the nation is quite clear and is totally independent of ones political beliefs.

What your nation is facing is a Party no longer resembling Republican ideals but one of open sedition and conspiracy to destroy the fundamental tenants of democracy. A Party populated by such cowardice, lies, and complicity as to threaten the very fabric of American society.

 

I might suggest to anyone who is reading this thread who is American and votes to grab a hold of this  fundamental truth.

 

Then, I also suggest once you stop shaking with fear and anger, and perhaps crying in the grief process of feeling this reality you then consider the wider implications. Of a Party that is so fundamentally broken, morally corrupted that the entire world will be in danger if the citizens of the United States (now there's a misnomer) do not send this Party to the outlying frozen and oh-so isolated regions of a political and social Arctic winter. There to die hopefully and be reborn into something once again reflective nd interwoven with the ideals, the honour of Lincoln.

Actually, as an outsider I see no difference to the Dems and the GOP. The problem is Washington, which IMO is a fatally flawed institution.

I doubt any government is capable of governing for the benefit of the people over the benefit for the wealthy that pay the millions it takes to win a seat. When lobbyists run rampant one knows something is rotten.

My support, such as it is, is almost entirely based on a "dislike" ( being polite ) of Hillary and Biden. I also like people that irritate politicians, and he certainly does that.

I said it before, that had Trump been against Bernie, I'd have supported Bernie, given his attitude towards Wall St. Sadly the Dems sabotaged him, which left only Trump.

[JCauto]

The conflation of the interests of Jews outside of Israel and Israel is one of the identifying markers for anti-semitism. The reasons for the fervent Republican support of Israel have nothing to do with their love of Jews and everything to do with energy security for the USA in the Middle East and preparation for the apocalypse for which we're required to die. The post of Jingthing was an excellent summary. 

I am one of those Jews outside of Israel - I have never been there, I have only distant relatives there, none of whom I'm in regular contact with. I am happy that Israel exists as it provides a safe haven for Jews who haven't had one. But beyond that, my "love" for Israel is probably akin to a Catholic Canadian's "love" for the Vatican. The US used to have these same tropes directed against Catholics right up until JFK became president and I believe this was an issue in his election. 

https://www.history.com/news/jfk-catholic-president

[thaibeachlovers]

24 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

They say by hook and crook and cheating by massaging the figures, he has built up a massive '; war chest ' to fight the next election from sources that say he duped many unsuspecting donors.

 

Anyway, the USA can't be in a bigger mess politically than we are in the UK.

 

We have a choice between lousy and terrible.

In that case I hope someone makes him see sense. Even if he won, the opposition would stop him achieving anything, IMO. The amazing thing during his time as POTUS was how much he did achieve, despite the political BS being heaped on him.

If anyone believes the Washington establishment is for the benefit of the populace, ask yourself why they did everything possible to stop him doing any good policies, instead of co operating with him for the benefit of the American people, like Clinton did with the GOP after his impeachment?

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Eg, I'm sure the GOP wouldn't have cancelled the Keystone pipeline

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/dec/09/keystone-kansas-pipeline-biggest-spill-yet-14000-barrels?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
 

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

and are not, far as I know, all in on the climate thing.

Ignorance and denial of the truth is not a positive.