Thai health expert says Covid from the West is more dangerous than from China

[USNret]

10 hours ago, engamann said:

Why do I always think about the movie dum & dumber when I see Dr. Yong ????

Yong & Yonger LOL

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, USNret said:

No. It’s been flagged as more contagious. Not necessarily more dangerous. Symptoms seem to be generally mild  

Possibly more dangerous in the sense that more vulnerable people are being hospitalised due to a much higher rate of infections. I accept that the virus itself is not more dangerous for an individual. There are also likely to be more cases of long covid for the same reason.

[Venom]

Time for another round of booster shots! ????????

[ozimoron]

4 minutes ago, Venom said:

Time for another round of booster shots! ????????

Good question. @Sheryl, would another non bivalent booster shot be advisable now for people in Thailand who have not had one for almost a year?

Edited January 6, 2023 by ozimoron

[Lorenzo Valla]

2 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Facts are facts

 

Roughly 6,500 people in hospitals in the U.S. have tested positive for Covid-19, according to the CDC, more than double the number from one month ago, and more than 10,000 people have died from Covid in the last month, the highest four-week total since the summer.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/01/06/covid-cases-hospitalizations-spike-as-new-variant-gains-foothold-00076747

 

Hospitals at or near full COVID-19 ICU capacity increase by 90% over past few months

 

https://www.fiercehealthcare.com/hospitals/study-hospitals-at-or-near-full-covid-19-icu-capacity-increase-by-90-over-past-few-months

Whether something is a fact or not is largely based upon the source and their bona fides, and whether or not the 'fact' is derived from a primary source.  

 

It's always curious to watch someone fact shop for the conclusions they want, instead of just looking at the actual primary sources of information on the subject.  In this case, if you had just visited the CDC's Covid tracker webpage and the HHS's hospital utilization webpage, you would see that the reporting from politico.com and fiercehealthcare.com (????) is simply incorrect.

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

https://public-data-hub-dhhs.hub.arcgis.com/pages/Hospital Utilization

 

There's a tremendous amount of information on these sites, it's easily searchable and downloadable, and can be graphically displayed for the entire period of the pandemic from beginning to today.  While there has been a very slight increase in recent cases and hospitalizations, those increases literally pale in comparison to the previous two winters of the pandemic (in the US).  All of the information clearly shows a very predictable result from increasing vaccinations rates, natural immunity and the tendency of respiratory viruses to become less deadly and more contagious as they successfully evolve.

Edited January 6, 2023 by Lorenzo Valla
Grammar

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Lorenzo Valla said:

Whether something is a fact or not it is largely based upon the source and their bona fides, and whether or not the 'fact' is derived from a primary source.  

 

It's always curious to watch someone fact shop for the conclusions they want, instead of just looking at the actual primary sources of information on the subject.  In this case, if you had just visited the CDC's Covid tracker webpage and the HHS's hospital utilization webpage, you would see that your the reporting from politico.com and fiercehealthcare.com (????) is simply incorrect.

 

https://covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#datatracker-home

https://public-data-hub-dhhs.hub.arcgis.com/pages/Hospital Utilization

 

There's a tremendous amount of information on these sites, it's easily searchable and downloadable, and can be graphically displayed for the entire period of the pandemic from beginning to today.  While there has been a very slight increase in recent cases and hospitalizations, those increases literally pale in comparison to the previous two winters of the pandemic (in the US).  All of the information clearly shows a very predictable result from increasing vaccinations rates, natural immunity and the tendency of respiratory viruses to become less deadly and more contagious as they successfully evolve.

It helps to quote sources that are not 2 1/2 years old.

 

The other source confirms rises in admissions.

Edited January 6, 2023 by ozimoron

[Lorenzo Valla]

Just now, ozimoron said:

It helps to quote sources that are not 18 months old.

Both websites are updated daily.

[ozimoron]

1 minute ago, Lorenzo Valla said:

Both websites are updated daily.

Hospital utilization is reported to HHS Protect by all hospitals registered with Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services (CMS) as of June 1, 2020. 

[Lorenzo Valla]

1 minute ago, ozimoron said:

Hospital utilization is reported to HHS Protect by all hospitals registered with Centers for Medicaid and Medicare Services (CMS) as of June 1, 2020. 

You have to actually scroll down and read.  Details are tough and your statement concerns the registration of hospitals to the HHS, not the date of the reported information.

[ozimoron]

Just now, Lorenzo Valla said:

You have to actually scroll down and read.  Details are tough and your statement concerns the registration of hospitals to the HHS, not the date of the reported information.

Ok, point taken but the chart shows a definite rise in hospitalisations for one of those links.

[ozimoron]

Hospitalisations

 

+16.1%
Change in 7-Day Average

 

Deaths

 

+8.3%
Change in 7-Day Average Since Prior Period

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/covid-data/covidview/index.html

Edited January 6, 2023 by ozimoron

[Lorenzo Valla]

4 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Ok, point taken but the chart shows a definite rise in hospitalisations for one of those links.

Yes that's true, but once again you've not taken the time to look at all the information presented.  The pandemic has gone on for nearly 3 years and all of the trend lines are extremely positive.  Comparing Jan 23's hospitalizations to Jan 21 and Jan 22, there's nothing but good news.

 

[spidermike007]

What a total buffoon. Amazing he can utter this tripe with a straight face. China seems to have the highest fatalities in the world now. Very few are dying elsewhere from Omi. Very few. 

 

The issue is China refuses to be transparent and honest, as usual. 

[riverhigh]

Google search: Professor Dr. Yong Poovorawan, head of the Centre of Excellence in Clinical Virology at the Faculty Medicine of Chulalongkorn University

 

Hope he is right but then again when I read the words like "Centre of Excellence" I get nervous (smile). Next time I talk to friends I will refer to Pattaya as the "Centre of Excellence" for attracting high quality tourists such as myself.

[hotchilli]

13 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

An influential Thai virologist said new Covid-19 strains from tourists traveling from the West are more worrisome than older strains from tourists traveling from China.

This guy knows how NOT to rock the boat.

[hotchilli]

11 hours ago, proton said:

Expert in his own mind, just an MD and I wonder how he managed that even

Family connections?

[jacko45k]

Astounding an educated person thinks this way!

[gerritkaew]

The rest off the world stops visitors from China but in Thailand that say, come here no problem. And don’t forget to bring money !!!

[vandeventer]

11 hours ago, ikke1959 said:

share it on facebook, that will keep the Westerns away and can Thailand enjoy their Chinese guests... Everybody happy.

Lets look back to see how all this madness started.

 

[Venom]

30 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

What a total buffoon. Amazing he can utter this tripe with a straight face. China seems to have the highest fatalities in the world now. Very few are dying elsewhere from Omi. Very few. 

 

The issue is China refuses to be transparent and honest, as usual. 

Taking Fauci as example. 

[ChrisY1]

My guess is that this guy is about as messy in his work as he is in his office.....however, he does keep typical Thai office though...piles of files and <deleted> lying around, never to be looked at again

[TTSIssues]

That would seem to be an extremely daft comment when even the Chinese funded WHO have recently stated that China needs to be more open about what’s going on with Covid in china as even they (the WHO) have no idea what mutations and strains are going around in China at the moment.

 

So how on earth can this “doctor” make such a statement?

 

nonsense! 

[Deli]

He's on the screen again and defending his ancestors. Makes me sick.

[jaywalker2]

Why isn't this guy banned for spreading false information?

 

[finnomick1]

He seems to forget ( conveniently  ) where it all came from in the first place. What a t**t

[RichardColeman]

DR. Yong in the line up ? 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, ozimoron said:

Good question. @Sheryl, would another non bivalent booster shot be advisable now for people in Thailand who have not had one for almost a year?

Not wishing to pre-empt any response from the forum's most medically educated and respected member but I would consider the same advice and recommendations from home apply here.

 

If you are over 60 and/or have per-existing conditions, then get a booster. If one is traveling frequently or socially active, even more reason to keep them antibodies topped-up.

[NanLaew]

21 minutes ago, finnomick1 said:

He seems to forget ( conveniently  ) where it all came from in the first place. What a t**t

What you have forgotten is that mainland China has kept Covid bottled up with their zero-Covid  rules since 2020 so there's been no need for the virus to mutate like it has in the rest of the world.

 

The following is all you need to know on why Thailand faces a unique dilemma with regard to Covid in 2023 (my emphasis).

 

12 hours ago, ozimoron said:

Unfortunately you seem to have not seen reports from Italian authorities that they aren't seeing new mutations as yet from China. Thailand is trying to combat the virus on two fronts. First is large numbers of infections arriving from China which will overwhelm the hospital system and second is more dangerous new mutations coming from the US and Europe. Hence, the restrictions applying to all arrivals.

[thailand49]

This puppet sure knows his Master! 

Why not get some of that great vaccine from China to get ready for that outbreak.????

[NanLaew]

43 minutes ago, TTSIssues said:

That would seem to be an extremely daft comment when even the Chinese funded WHO have recently stated that China needs to be more open about what’s going on with Covid in china as even they (the WHO) have no idea what mutations and strains are going around in China at the moment.

 

So how on earth can this “doctor” make such a statement?

 

nonsense! 

The politicians have "no idea what mutations and strains are going around in China at the moment" and it's driving them nuts.