9 hours ago, herfiehandbag said:

Since this one was visible to to he naked eye, them why did no-one notice the previous three?

Maybe they were dinky wee party balloons over the western Aleutians just for a day trip? 

42 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

Simply amazing how a discussion about the Biden administration's reaction to the spy balloon so quickly develops into a "...but Trump" festival. What the Great Orange Bad Man may or may not have done is completely irrelevant, particularly when there are so few details available.  It is entirely possible that he messed up too.  Both the current and former occupants of the White House can be wrong, it isn't a win/lose political issue.

 

The important issue is how Biden dealt with it. Alaska and northern Canada fall under the aegis of NORAD and there are alert aircraft available 24/7 on both sides of the border. It is a shared responsibility, so there is no fear that Canadian politicians would get upset over issues of sovereignty and overflying Canadian territory. 

Simply amazing how a discussion about the Biden administration's reaction to the spy balloon so quickly develops into a "...but Trump" festival. What the Great Orange Bad Man may or may not have done is completely irrelevant

 

You may notice the articles and topic thread title being:

 

REVEALED: Three Chinese spy balloons infiltrated the US during Trump administration but he NEVER shot them down or told the public - as Republicans call for Biden to resign for putting Americans at risk

 

There is another topic running that does not include Trump so much if you'd rather not read posts in connection to the above topic.

https://aseannow.com/topic/1285526-us-shoots-down-chinese-spy-balloon-off-east-coast

 

Lets see where this second balloon they are tracking goes. The Chinese spokeswoman just made a statement on it:

 

She said: "As for the balloon in Latin America's sky, we have learned and verified that the relevant unmanned airship is from China. It is of civilian usage and is used for flight tests.

"Affected by weather and due to limited self-control ability, the airship severely deviated from its set route and entered the space of Latin America and the Caribbean by accident."

 

https://news.sky.com/story/spy-balloon-spotted-over-latin-america-is-for-civilian-usage-china-says-12804506

 

2 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You know nothing about the incursions because it was not disclosed by the Trump's administration. Mike Esper as the Secretary of Defense and report direct to President Trump. Did President Trump covered up the incursions because he did not want to jeopardize the relationship with China that may soured up his businesses there? I don't know. The alleged spy ballons were picked up by the Department of Defense flying into Hawaii, Guam, Texas & Florida restricted airspace. Texas is a permanent prohibited area due to the Pantex nuclear assemply plant. US Air Force can scrambled to intercept any airspace intrusion in 4-5 minutes. Moreover, did Trump even protested to China about the intrusions? We didn;t hear about that too. Too much coverup during Trump's adminstration to give him a pass on any benefit of doubt. 

Too much bias and guesswork does not give you a pass either.

 

In the meantime there seems to be no agreement on the reality (or not) of previous balloon incursions:

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3844561-trump-and-biden-admins-clash-over-reports-of-previous-chinese-balloons/

Edited February 6, 20233 yr by nauseus

Why blame Trump and ask Biden to resign?

Why did they wait so long before shooting it down?  They saw it cross the Aleutian Islands—one of the least populated places on Earth.

20 hours ago, Tug said:

Not surprising at all in spite of all the bluster tough guy talk trump always surrendered when confronted with a real serious problem he is and what he was first and foremost a fraud and grifter

And above all a coward.

Putting politics and the blame game aside, Carl Bildt Co-Chair European Council has a good point.

 

"This Chinese balloon was a rather massive piece of engineering. It’s amazing that some of these have been circling the globe for years without attracting more attention. Beijing has some questions to answer."

 

 

https://twitter.com/carlbildt/status/1622570260279820288

 

51 minutes ago, BusyB said:

And above all a coward.

Why can't you guys say what you really mean? ????

Ratcliffe Shoots Down Claim That Three Chinese Balloons Crossed Over U.S. Under Trump | The Daily Wire

2 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Why did they wait so long before shooting it down?  They saw it cross the Aleutian Islands—one of the least populated places on Earth.

Aleutian Islands belong to both Russia and US. Which Island will be safe to shoot down the ballon.  

3 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Why did they wait so long before shooting it down?  They saw it cross the Aleutian Islands—one of the least populated places on Earth.

Probably the best way forward is to license the sale of ground to air missiles to NRA card holders in Texas (for purely self-defence reasons, of course)

Trolling graphic removed.

 

The reports seen here prove nothing about balloons on Trumps watch, there is no evidence only "unnamed sources":

"But an unnamed source from the Trump administration insisted to Bloomberg in that same article that it wasn’t a big deal."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/?sh=1efb13193ea3

 

 Weak, lame attempt by desperate democrats, If there was Chinese balloons flaoting anywhere near US airspace, Omar, Schumer, Swalwell, Pelosi et al would have plastered it wall to wall on the networks and formulated another kangaroo court to impeach Trump. There was nothing, because there were no balloons.

 Whenever Biden pulls a boner and screws something up (which is regular & routine) his regime attempts to either blame Trump or claim he did it as well. Worse than children.

Off-topic troll posts removed.

 

1 hour ago, dotcalm said:

The reports seen here prove nothing about balloons on Trumps watch, there is no evidence only "unnamed sources":

"But an unnamed source from the Trump administration insisted to Bloomberg in that same article that it wasn’t a big deal."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/?sh=1efb13193ea3

 

 Weak, lame attempt by desperate democrats, If there was Chinese balloons flaoting anywhere near US airspace, Omar, Schumer, Swalwell, Pelosi et al would have plastered it wall to wall on the networks and formulated another kangaroo court to impeach Trump. There was nothing, because there were no balloons.

 Whenever Biden pulls a boner and screws something up (which is regular & routine) his regime attempts to either blame Trump or claim he did it as well. Worse than children.

For the 3rd time on this thread: 

he US Department of Defense said three other of these crafts 'briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.' “

 

 

1 hour ago, dotcalm said:

The reports seen here prove nothing about balloons on Trumps watch, there is no evidence only "unnamed sources":

"But an unnamed source from the Trump administration insisted to Bloomberg in that same article that it wasn’t a big deal."

 

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mattnovak/2023/02/04/yes-chinese-spy-balloons-flew-over-the-us-when-president-trump-was-in-office-too/?sh=1efb13193ea3

 

 Weak, lame attempt by desperate democrats, If there was Chinese balloons flaoting anywhere near US airspace, Omar, Schumer, Swalwell, Pelosi et al would have plastered it wall to wall on the networks and formulated another kangaroo court to impeach Trump. There was nothing, because there were no balloons.

 Whenever Biden pulls a boner and screws something up (which is regular & routine) his regime attempts to either blame Trump or claim he did it as well. Worse than children.

For the 3rd time on this thread: 

he US Department of Defense said three other of these crafts 'briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.' “

 

 

On 2/5/2023 at 5:47 PM, Chomper Higgot said:

That only makes sense if you swallow the Chinese propaganda.

It's a weather/scientific balloon. The Chinese have satellites like any other nation. I belive you're swallowing the other parts propaganda...

8 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

Why did they wait so long before shooting it down?  They saw it cross the Aleutian Islands—one of the least populated places on Earth.

Because they need more content for their propaganda machine

Three Chinese spy balloons infiltrated the US during Trump administration but he NEVER shot them down or told the public

 

All to be covered in the dramatization "Three Balloons Outside of Jupiter, Florida."

 

 

Could someone explain how to fly a balloon from China to America with no engines, wings or pilots.

I can see that if you launch it when the wind is blowing east it will start off fine, but to guide it precisely over military targets, what's the trick? 

Edited February 6, 20233 yr by Purdey

14 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

You know nothing about the incursions because it was not disclosed by the Trump's administration. Mike Esper as the Secretary of Defense and report direct to President Trump. Did President Trump covered up the incursions because he did not want to jeopardize the relationship with China that may soured up his businesses there? I don't know. The alleged spy ballons were picked up by the Department of Defense flying into Hawaii, Guam, Texas & Florida restricted airspace. Texas is a permanent prohibited area due to the Pantex nuclear assemply plant. US Air Force can scrambled to intercept any airspace intrusion in 4-5 minutes. Moreover, did Trump even protested to China about the intrusions? We didn;t hear about that too. Too much coverup during Trump's adminstration to give him a pass on any benefit of doubt. 

quote 1 "Did President Trump covered up the incursions because he did not want to jeopardize the relationship with China that may soured up his businesses there? I don't know. "

           2 "Moreover, did Trump even protested to China about the intrusions? We didn;t hear about that too. Too much coverup during Trump's adminstration to give him a pass on any benefit of doubt. "

 

2 highly inflammatory false claims, both as usual attacking President Trump. Now, what really happened?

 

 "The military did not detect previous flights of Chinese spy balloons over the U.S. that took place during the Trump administration, a top general said Monday, due to a “gap” in the Defense Department’s ability to track certain airborne objects.

Gen. Glen VanHerck, head of North American Aerospace Defense Command, cited the issue as the reason that at least three spy balloon flights were not briefed to senior Trump officials at the time."

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/06/military-chinese-spy-balloon-00081371

 

Interesting. Neither Trump, nor his administration knew about the balloons. So the past 24 hours bash-a-thon of Trump for allowing at least 3 Chinese spy balloons to transit the USA was, as suspected, a lie. A perfectly timed, totally self serving lie, crafted to give false perspective to Biden's weakness and chaotic response. Just typical....

WASHINGTON, Feb 6 (Reuters) - A senior U.S. general responsible for bringing down a Chinese spy balloon said on Monday the military had not detected previous spy balloons before the one that appeared on Jan. 28 over the United States and called it an "awareness gap."  reuters

 

Air Force General Glen VanHerck, head of U.S. North American Aerospace Defense Command and Northern Command, said the latest balloon was 200 feet (60 meters) tall and the payload under it weighed a couple thousand pounds.

 

VanHerck added that U.S. intelligence determined the previous flights after the fact based on "additional means of collection" of intelligence without offering further details on whether that might be cyber espionage, telephone intercepts or human sources.

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So they  recently learned of the earlier 3 baloons by rummaging through data, as one forum member suggester earlier.

Just now, rabas said:

So they  recently learned of the earlier 3 baloons by rummaging through data, as one forum member suggester earlier.

All that is left now is to determine whether the 3 balloons transited the entire US mainland like Biden's did, or whether it was near the Aleutians but not even in US airspace at all? I suspect strongly the 3 balloons under Trump did NOT cross the entire mainland and likely did not even enter US airspace at all. Nothing like a collapsing narrative!

2 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

All that is left now is to determine whether the 3 balloons transited the entire US mainland like Biden's did, or whether it was near the Aleutians but not even in US airspace at all? I suspect strongly the 3 balloons under Trump did NOT cross the entire mainland and likely did not even enter US airspace at all. Nothing like a collapsing narrative!

and likely did not even enter US airspace at all. Nothing like a collapsing narrative!

 

If you read your own link you posted earlier, it was later confirmed they did enter US airspace. Florida and Texas

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

and likely did not even enter US airspace at all. Nothing like a collapsing narrative!

 

If you read your own link you posted earlier, it was later confirmed they did enter US airspace. Florida and Texas

Apparently, some people just can't handle the truth.   And the truth is, there have been other balloons and they happened under Trump and as usual, neither he nor his inept administration knew what was going on.  

 

29 minutes ago, Purdey said:

Could someone explain how to fly a balloon from China to America with no engines, wings or pilots.

I can see that if you launch it when the wind is blowing east it will start off fine, but to guide it precisely over military targets, what's the trick? 

As I understand it.  They use different elevations to get different winds to take them in the direction they want to go.  I suspect, and read somewhere, it has some maneuverability.  

 

Pompeo calls out 'deeply dangerous' accusation Trump Pentagon didn't notify WH of Chinese balloons (msn.com)

1 hour ago, Purdey said:

Could someone explain how to fly a balloon from China to America with no engines, wings or pilots.

I can see that if you launch it when the wind is blowing east it will start off fine, but to guide it precisely over military targets, what's the trick? 

Officials have said the balloon was assessed to have motors and propellers, allowing it to be manoeuvred

 

Posted the link earlier and a good read

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/2/5/explainer-what-are-spy-balloons-and-why-are-they-used

On 2/5/2023 at 10:21 PM, Scott said:

In reporting the latest of the Chinese balloon shot down off the coast of South Carolina on Saturday, The US Department of Defense said three other of these crafts 'briefly transited the continental United States at least three times during the prior administration.' 

Curious that the Department of Defense would engage in whataboutism to ease the pressure on Biden.

 

Are they doing the bidding of the left now, in the same way the FBI were accused of doing at Mar-a-lago?