REVEALED: Three Chinese spy balloons infiltrated the US during Trump administration but he NEVER shot them down or told the public - as Republicans call for Biden to resign for putting Americans at risk

[ThailandRyan]

16 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Or possibly grim reality.

The MAGAGA cult brainwashing is strong in this one Yoda.

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Carry lots of hot air too. Back to the topic  on 3 spy balloons infiltrated US airspace during Trump’s presidency and he did nothing. 

Wasn't that because he wasn't told about them and that they didn't fly over anywhere important ?

[Mac Mickmanus]

56 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Isn't their lame line now well he didn't know about it, but if he had known about it ... 

It's funny Florida Man Trump is trying to wear the hawk and dove faces simultaneously.

He would have shot down balloons he says and of course he can say anything.

For Ukraine he can end it in 24 hours, which if anyone believes that ... 

Why is it "lame"

It is a truth , Trump wasnt told about any Chinese balloons and no one saw them and no one was told about them and its only now just been claimed that they balloons actually exist

[Eric Loh]

22 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Wasn't that because he wasn't told about them and that they didn't fly over anywhere important ?

You could be right that the intelligence community had a problem briefing Trump as he dislike attending intelligence briefing. Trump said it was a waste of time and he was smarter than most of them. And I always thought that any intrusion into US airspace is seen as an act of war and has consequence. 

[Isaan sailor]

On 2/6/2023 at 8:15 AM, herfiehandbag said:

Since this one was visible to to he naked eye, them why did no-one notice the previous three?

Correct.  No one on the ground ever noticed the previous three, and no one in the previous administration heard of it.  And none of those alleged incursions crossed diagonally through the US.  In fact, the this information was leaked only after the current balloon entered US airspace.  Now this sure sounds like deflection.

Edited February 7, 2023 by Isaan sailor

[Mac Mickmanus]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

. And I always thought that any intrusion into US airspace is seen as an act of war and has consequence. 

Quite clearly not, Chinese balloons are freely allowed to fly over the USA with no consequences from the President , even when the POTUS was aware of them 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

You could be right that the intelligence community had a problem briefing Trump as he dislike attending intelligence briefing. Trump said it was a waste of time and he was smarter than most of them. And I always thought that any intrusion into US airspace is seen as an act of war and has consequence. 

Well Trump's got a second chance now although he'll probably decline this one too.

 

Biden admin offers to brief Trump officials on past Chinese spy balloon incursions

The Biden administration is willing to brief former Trump officials on newly discovered intelligence that China sent spy balloons into U.S. airspace during their time in charge.

The offer, described by senior Biden administration officials on Sunday night, comes as former President Donald Trump and senior members of his national security team say they were never briefed on such an incursion by a Beijing-sent aircraft.

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/02/05/trump-officials-deny-chinese-spy-balloons-00081257

[Eric Loh]

39 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Quite clearly not, Chinese balloons are freely allowed to fly over the USA with no consequences from the President , even when the POTUS was aware of them 

Now you telling porky pie or maybe you don’t read the widely. Fox wouldn’t tell you much and often misdirect real content.. The balloon flight path was monitored by Pentagon and the official said it does not present a significant intelligence gathering risk. Upon advisers consultation and considering all safety factors, the balloon was shot down. You may not familiar with this consultative process. You probably more familiar with the authoritarian reckless style of Trump. 
 

[Tug]

42 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Quite clearly not, Chinese balloons are freely allowed to fly over the USA with no consequences from the President , even when the POTUS was aware of them 

Oh I don’t know about that lmao ???? it was jammed as it transited our airspace once it was safe to do so it was popped and the debris collected and is being studied.Sec. Blinkin canceled his trip.the retrumplickins are desperate to discredit the Biden administration and as usual are failing miserably.the trump ex officials have been invited to observe the proof of the previous 3 intrusions on trumps (watch) further embarrassing the Republicans.in my humble opinion it was handeled safety prudently and with the best chance of recovering the equipment + the extra bonus of embarrassing trump a remarkable outcome for such an incident!In my humble opinion!

[Mac Mickmanus]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Now you telling porky pie 
 

Really no need for that .

I wasn't lying and I was replying to your claim about it being an act or war . 

   Please don't accuse me of lying again, thanks 

[Mac Mickmanus]

8 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh I don’t know about that lmao ???? 

So you think the Chinese balloon flying over the USA was an act of war and there will be consequences , like the USA going to war with China ?

[Tug]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

So you think the Chinese balloon flying over the USA was an act of war and there will be consequences , like the USA going to war with China ?

Oh no it’s an incident and a blunder on their part I’m surprised they dident destroy it but then again they got away with it during the last administration but nope not an act of war

[Mac Mickmanus]

7 minutes ago, Tug said:

Oh no it’s an incident and a blunder on their part I’m surprised they dident destroy it but then again they got away with it during the last administration but nope not an act of war

It really gets confusing .

I stated that it wasn't an act of war and there wont be any consequences , you firstly disagreed with me in one post  and then agreed with me in a subsequent post .

   Confusing 

  

 

[Longwood50]

8 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The case here is simple. Trump didn’t prioritize the importance of vigilance to the intelligence community. President Biden did.

You are going to have to explain to me how Bidens' prioritization of vigilance to the intellence community included ending a Trump initiated program to specifically focus on Chinese espionage. 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics/justice-department-china/index.html

 

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2022/02/23/politics/justice-department-china/index.html

 

[Longwood50]

3 hours ago, Walker88 said:

There really is precious little a balloon could get that a satellite could not do better.

Maybe, but I don't think the Chinese were doing it to track the hurricane pattern in the Atlantic.  

[Longwood50]

4 hours ago, Hummin said:

And mine is they obseeved, scanned and maybe tried to block the signal it was transmitting, and even tried to hack the system.

So let me see, if Trump had let a Chinese intelligence balloon travel from the Aleutian islands, cross Canada, and then make a 3,700 mile trek across the USA and do it for 8 days, it would be lauded as as brilliant tactical move to acquire information about the capabilities of the balloon.   

 

 

[Longwood50]

4 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

Trumps cabinet let 3 balloons fly across the US without even a thought being given. Read the OP.

It was reported that the 3 balloons flew for only a "brief" period of time, and that was only recently discovered.  

The balloons were reported as UFO's and the intelligence community said they had a gap. 

The Pentagon has disclosed in recent days that there were instances under the Trump administration where this occurred as well. Trump officials denied knowledge of any such incursions, but current officials said they only became apparent after President Joe Biden took office.

[Tug]

1 hour ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

It really gets confusing .

I stated that it wasn't an act of war and there wont be any consequences , you firstly disagreed with me in one post  and then agreed with me in a subsequent post .

   Confusing 

  

 

Now I’m confused I don’t recall calling this breach of our sovereignty an act of war although I do think it’s a blunder on their part a major incident but no not an act of war

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, Tug said:

Now I’m confused I don’t recall calling this breach of our sovereignty an act of war although I do think it’s a blunder on their part a major incident but no not an act of war

It was in the post that I replied to .

You didn't read that post, did you, or you would have been aware of the context

[heybruce]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

A fear discussion?

 

 

Did China’s balloon violate international law?

 

Both sides have long disagreed over the presence of US warships in the South China Sea and Taiwan Strait, which China claims as its own waters and the US considers international waters. Will the air be the next realm to be contested by the two superpowers?

 

https://theconversation.com/did-chinas-balloon-violate-international-law-199271?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook#Echobox=1675735446

Just to be clear, everyone except China considers the South China Sea to be international waters.  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/jul/12/philippines-wins-south-china-sea-case-against-china

[heybruce]

This was a balloon.  It might have been able to record military communications, but anything of any sensitivity would have been encrypted.  The fact that Republicans are obsessing about it shows that they have nothing better to do.

 

As far as intelligence failures concern, it doesn't compare to Trump's fondness for showing off classified information, starting with his revealing of highly classified foreign intelligence to the Russian Foreign Minister early in his administration.   https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/333496-report-trump-revealed-highly-classified-info-to-russians/ That undoubtedly damaged intelligence sharing with US allies for a generation.

[nauseus]

54 minutes ago, heybruce said:

 

 

54 minutes ago, heybruce said:

This was a balloon.  It might have been able to record military communications, but anything of any sensitivity would have been encrypted.  The fact that Republicans are obsessing about it shows that they have nothing better to do.

 

As far as intelligence failures concern, it doesn't compare to Trump's fondness for showing off classified information, starting with his revealing of highly classified foreign intelligence to the Russian Foreign Minister early in his administration.   https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/333496-report-trump-revealed-highly-classified-info-to-russians/ That undoubtedly damaged intelligence sharing with US allies for a generation.

Another fairytale starring Unnamed Sources, who has been very busy this week.

Edited February 7, 2023 by nauseus

[ozimoron]

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Another fairytale starring Unnamed Sources, who has been very busy this week.

Having been embarrassed, the Trump apologists are going in hard on this story. I can hear the heads popping, LOL. Fake News, LOL.

[nauseus]

7 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

Having been embarrassed, the Trump apologists are going in hard on this story. I can hear the heads popping, LOL. Fake News, LOL.

Speak for yourself.

[ThailandRyan]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Speak for yourself.

You just can never admit when your Hero has made a major blunder and then been caught in a lie.  BTW I am not a Biden fan either, but at least they took action to ensure no one on the ground was injured by falling debris, and have obtained the equipment for study, whereas Trump never did anything except talk the big talk and the Big Lie.  Sure intelligence may have been gathered by the balloon, but the the Chines, Russians, and so on already know the locations of our silos, this was probably for a closer inspection, but then until the information is released it is just speculation.  Whereas the Big Lie is not speculation, it actually did come from the Trumps lips and his twitter rants.

[LosLobo]

Balloon Remnants Recovered

 

U.S. recovers suspected Chinese spy balloon remnants (msn.com)

Edited February 7, 2023 by LosLobo

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Hummin said:

Capture it with what? I would believe some kind of penetration would had been enough, so it would descend controlled, but imagine those who have to make the decisions have many critical issues to deal with. Biden just take credit or the responsibility at the end.

 

I also understand it is Bidens administrations who just started to look for spy ballons which made it possible to discover the ballons now, and not previous.

If you watched the James Bond films you would have seen that the US had the capability to capture balloons. If they could do that decades ago, why not now?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, Longwood50 said:

It was reported that the 3 balloons flew for only a "brief" period of time, and that was only recently discovered.  

The balloons were reported as UFO's and the intelligence community said they had a gap. 

The Pentagon has disclosed in recent days that there were instances under the Trump administration where this occurred as well. Trump officials denied knowledge of any such incursions, but current officials said they only became apparent after President Joe Biden took office.

Never let a chance to attack Trump go by. Doesn't matter if it's fake news.

[save the frogs]

this sounds like fake news to me.

i'll give it a pass.

knock yourselves out.

[thaibeachlovers]

changed mind

Edited February 8, 2023 by thaibeachlovers