Ukraine war: Zelensky asks France and Germany for fighter jets

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Ukraine's leader has taken his request for fighter jets to France and Germany after meeting UK officials.

President Volodymyr Zelensky met the two countries' leaders in Paris on Wednesday evening, where they pledged ongoing support to Ukraine.

France's Emmanuel Macron and Germany's Olaf Scholz restated their belief that Russia must not win the war.

Mr Zelensky will make more requests for jets when he meets European Union leaders in Brussels on Thursday.

He believes the fighter jets and long-range missiles are important in addition to the Leopard 2 tanks Western nations have recently committed to supplying.

Speaking at a joint news conference on Wednesday evening with Mr Macron and Mr Scholz, Mr Zelensky said France and Germany had potential to be "game-changers" in the battle against Russia by providing Ukraine with battle tanks, modern fighter planes and long-range missiles.

[internationalism]

He just fired his defence minister, as associated with rampamt corruption within ministry. The entire customs department was fired just days earlier. 
how he can assure that some of those weapons dont end up being sold to africa and elsewhere to guerilla and terrorist organisations. 
So far nobody from outside audit those weapons and money donated to ukraine within the last year and in previous uears. 
 

War is a perfect timing for military and criminals to engage on armaments black market. 
 

 

Edited February 9, 2023 by internationalism

[Bkk Brian]

3 minutes ago, internationalism said:

He just fired his defence minister, as associated with rampamt corruption within ministry. The entire customs department was fired just days earlier. 
how he can assure that some of those weapons dont end up being sold to africa and elsewhere to guerilla and terrorist organisations. 

You think they're going to sell fighter jets to Africa...................lol

[300sd]

The great man will be asking for nuclear weapons next and the fools know not what they do.

[teacherofwoe]

11 minutes ago, 300sd said:

The great man will be asking for nuclear weapons next and the fools know not what they do.

No, NATO troops next which will make WWIII official. Nukes will come after.

[ozimoron]

21 minutes ago, 300sd said:

The great man will be asking for nuclear weapons next and the fools know not what they do.

 

7 minutes ago, teacherofwoe said:

No, NATO troops next which will make WWIII official. Nukes will come after.

It's almost as if you're not blaming Russia for this.

[Tug]

Hopefully some arrangements can be made to at least get them the types of aircraft they are familiar with in the short term and training for the future when they have vanquished the invaders and need the means to keep the orks on their own side of the borders slava Ukraine ???????? 

[300sd]

16 hours ago, ozimoron said:

 

It's almost as if you're not blaming Russia for this.

Yeh that's right. Very perceptive of you.

[RuamRudy]

19 hours ago, internationalism said:

He just fired his defence minister, as associated with rampamt corruption within ministry. The entire customs department was fired just days earlier. 
how he can assure that some of those weapons dont end up being sold to africa and elsewhere to guerilla and terrorist organisations. 
So far nobody from outside audit those weapons and money donated to ukraine within the last year and in previous uears. 
 

War is a perfect timing for military and criminals to engage on armaments black market. 
 

 

It would seem that the Russian military had a substantial headstart over their Ukrainian counterpart.

[vandeventer]

59 minutes ago, 300sd said:

Yeh that's right. Very perceptive of you.

We all know who started this invasion, and I agree with you, there must be a time to say no to Ukraine to prevent ww3.

[Scott]

Off-topic post and reply removed.  Stay on topic.  If you are making a factual claim, then back it up with a link from a credible source.

 

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.

[Tug]

I sincerely hope President Zelenskyys prayers are answered slava Ukraine ???????? 

[Jingthing]

14 hours ago, vandeventer said:

We all know who started this invasion, and I agree with you, there must be a time to say no to Ukraine to prevent ww3.

Perhaps the best way to prevent WW3 is to arm Ukraine well enough for them to WIN and that includes Crimea. Putin wants the west to be afraid of his threats. If it turns out he isn't bluffing we're headed to WW3 anyway (including China) as if Putin wins there is no way he stops at Ukraine. 

[Jingthing]

On 2/9/2023 at 6:19 PM, teacherofwoe said:

No, NATO troops next which will make WWIII official. Nukes will come after.

NATO troops are not necessary for Ukraine to win.

If nukes are to come, that will be on Russia.

The world can't cower to his threats.

It's stand up now or game over (China). 

[Scott]

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[AndyFoxy]

On 2/9/2023 at 7:27 PM, ozimoron said:

 

It's almost as if you're not blaming Russia for this.

Well NATO did provoke the bear and got what they wanted.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/9/2023 at 9:57 PM, internationalism said:

He just fired his defence minister, as associated with rampamt corruption within ministry. The entire customs department was fired just days earlier. 
how he can assure that some of those weapons dont end up being sold to africa and elsewhere to guerilla and terrorist organisations. 
So far nobody from outside audit those weapons and money donated to ukraine within the last year and in previous uears. 
 

War is a perfect timing for military and criminals to engage on armaments black market. 
 

 

I doubt they want to know, as it would become common knowledge and they'd have to do something about it.

 

Given the length of time even an experienced pilot takes to upgrade to being good enough to take one of those modern fighters into combat, is Zelensky admitting the war is going to last a very long time, and if he is, his greatest fear must be that western governments will soon be unable to continue paying to support him. I believe the UK government has paid at least 2.3 BILLION quid on support for Ukraine while saying they have NO money for nurses or ambulance drivers- that is unsustainable IMO.

 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/uk-will-match-record-ukraine-support-in-2023

The UK is already the second largest military donor to Ukraine, committing £2.3bn in 2022.

 

On 2/9/2023 at 8:46 PM, Black Ops said:

France's Emmanuel Macron and Germany's Olaf Scholz restated their belief that Russia must not win the war.

If Russia does win, will they resign?

Edited February 11, 2023 by thaibeachlovers

[vandeventer]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Perhaps the best way to prevent WW3 is to arm Ukraine well enough for them to WIN and that includes Crimea. Putin wants the west to be afraid of his threats. If it turns out he isn't bluffing we're headed to WW3 anyway (including China) as if Putin wins there is no way he stops at Ukraine. 

There's that very big word again IF.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, vandeventer said:

There's that very big word again IF.

I've seen a lot of posters claiming to know what Putin would do in the future if he isn't stopped in Ukraine. I wasn't aware that we had so many psychics amongst us.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 2/9/2023 at 8:46 PM, Black Ops said:

Mr Zelensky said France and Germany had potential to be "game-changers" in the battle against Russia by providing Ukraine with battle tanks, modern fighter planes and long-range missiles.

Soooo, if they give Zelensky long range missiles and he uses them against Moscow, what guarantees are there that Putin will not regard that as an attack by France or Germany and decide to send some in the direction of Paris or Berlin?

The escalation proceeds apace and if wiser heads do not prevail, how long before it becomes a full on war between Russia and NATO?

Given the commitment by certain western leaders to win this conflict by supplying weapons etc, if it becomes apparent that Ukraine is losing, IMO they will seek to win by supplying even more dangerous weapons, till the inevitable consequences occur.

[AndyFoxy]

9 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

 

Given the commitment by certain western leaders to win this conflict by supplying weapons etc, if it becomes apparent that Ukraine is losing, IMO they will seek to win by supplying even more dangerous weapons, till the inevitable consequences occur.

I’ve been saying Ukraine has been losing for a while now. However, since it goes against the narrative, it tends to get certain members in a tizzy. 

[Bkk Brian]

29 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've seen a lot of posters claiming to know what Putin would do in the future if he isn't stopped in Ukraine. I wasn't aware that we had so many psychics amongst us.

No need for psychics, take a listen Putin's Peter the Great speech. This is Putin's Imperial war of conquest.

[Bkk Brian]

13 minutes ago, AndyFoxy said:

I’ve been saying Ukraine has been losing for a while now. However, since it goes against the narrative, it tends to get certain members in a tizzy. 

Yes you have, you've been saying it for months and for months Russia has been losing the ground they took when they started.

Edited February 11, 2023 by Bkk Brian

[rabas]

On 2/9/2023 at 3:57 PM, internationalism said:

He just fired his defence minister, as associated with rampamt corruption within ministry. The entire customs department was fired just days earlier. 
how he can assure that some of those weapons dont end up being sold to africa and elsewhere to guerilla and terrorist organisations. 
So far nobody from outside audit those weapons and money donated to ukraine within the last year and in previous uears. 
 

War is a perfect timing for military and criminals to engage on armaments black market.

'War is a perfect timing for military and criminals to engage on armaments black market.'

 

Viktor! 

 

I wonder how Viktor Bout is doing. Last I read, he pledged undying love for Mr. Putin, who now owns him, and rushed off to Ukraine saying he truly believed in what Putin was doing there. He didn't specifically mention utter human brutality and destruction. I assume he is on a special mission.

 

But therein lies your difference. Putin employing the most corrupt people imaginable for his illegal war. Zelensky ridding his country of corruption.

 

 

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33 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I've seen a lot of posters claiming to know what Putin would do in the future if he isn't stopped in Ukraine. I wasn't aware that we had so many psychics amongst us.

You're also unaware but Putin has said he wants to restore the Russian empire back to what it was. Apparently, you're confusing being psychic with being well informed.

[steven100]

I sincerely hope NATO and others become involved and blow Putin's army & his cronies out of the water.

That's the only way to end this conflict and stop the war.    imo

[onthedarkside]

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[stoner]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Perhaps the best way to prevent WW3 is to arm Ukraine well enough for them to WIN

maybe blackrock can lend a better hand no ? 

[morrobay]

This is another proxy anti communism war that started in 2014 with US backed coup that installed fascist government. As was done in Chile, Nicaragua, and failed in Vietnam. And don't forget how supporting Al Qaeda in Afghanistan worked out.https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/neo-nazis-far-right-ukraine/