Nikki Haley launches presidential campaign, challenging Trump for GOP nomination

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

 

If that's true (and I'm not claiming to know), you need to remember that was before globalization and all the trade barriers came down, so it wasn't feasible to invest in overseas plants (and jobs and...)  You couldn't build stuff overseas and afford the import duties even if you could get past trade barriers.  Also, it was before shipping containers took off, revolutionizing international movement of goods.

 

 

Because US companies didn't have overseas assets like the United Fruit Company.

 

And the US didn't sell products all over the world in the 1950s.

 

Right?

 

You are grasping at straws.

 

Clinton raised taxes in the 1990s, and balanced the budget.

[Danderman123]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL, you say that as if you do, and as usual you provide no proof of what you claim as fact.

Till you do, my default on anything you say is that you are making it up.

Bill Clinton raised taxes and balanced the budget.

 

Ronald Reagan lowered taxes and blew up the budget deficit.

 

George Bush Jr. lowered taxes and blew up the deficit.

 

Donald Trump lowered taxes and blew up the deficit.

[impulse]

On 1/13/2024 at 5:48 PM, Danderman123 said:

Wow. You took the blue pill.

 

Lower corporate taxes = less investment. The largest US corporate investment came when the Eisenhower administration imposed a 91% marginal tax rate. 

 

You really don't understand any of this.

 

The top corporate tax rate during Eisenhower was 52%

 

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-corporate-tax-rates-brackets/

 

[Danderman123]

23 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

The top corporate tax rate during Eisenhower was 52%

 

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/federal/historical-corporate-tax-rates-brackets/

 

I was alluding to personal income tax rates, but I'll take the 52% corporate tax rate.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, impulse said:

 

If that's true (and I'm not claiming to know), you need to remember that was before globalization and all the trade barriers came down, so it wasn't feasible to invest in overseas plants (and jobs and...)  You couldn't build stuff overseas and afford the import duties even if you could get past trade barriers.  Also, it was before shipping containers took off, revolutionizing international movement of goods.

 

Today, if they implemented a 91% marginal tax rate, every company would move production jobs overseas.  They'd take their profits in the low tax locations and their US distribution arms (because that's all they'd have in the USA) would just break even so they still wouldn't pay tax.

 

Edit:  And as I recall, Eisenhower inherited the high marginal tax rate.  It was FDR that called in all his rich buddies after the depression and told them, "you broke the economy, now you're going to have to pay for the mess you made".

 

Well pointed out to someone that needed it.

[impulse]

13 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I was alluding to personal income tax rates, but I'll take the 52% corporate tax rate.

 

Implement a 52% corporate tax rate, and banana picking won't be the only jobs that the US will lose.

[Danderman123]

10 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Implement a 52% corporate tax rate, and banana picking won't be the only jobs that the US will lose.

Biden enacted an increase in corporate taxation, and the number of jobs went up:

 

https://www.ibfd.org/news/biden-signs-inflation-reduction-act-15-corporate-minimum-tax-other-tax-measures

 

Increasing corporate taxes creates incentives for companies to hire more workers - because their wages are tax deductible.

 

Lesson for you: simply parroting talking points reveals that you don't actually think things through. If you thought about what your internet friends send you, it's not information, it's propaganda.

[Danderman123]

Nikki Haley DID cheat on husband Michael - had affairs with her comms consultant and a MARRIED South Carolina lobbyist before she became governor, sworn affidavits and new witnesses claim

 

well, it is the Daily Mail.

[Chomper Higgot]

On 1/15/2024 at 7:57 AM, impulse said:

 

Implement a 52% corporate tax rate, and banana picking won't be the only jobs that the US will lose.

Because corporations don’t need a slice of the single biggest and most profitable economy on the planet.

https://www.worlddata.info/largest-economies.php#:~:text=With a GDP of 25.44,ninth place in this ranking.

Edited January 20 by Chomper Higgot

[impulse]

On 1/15/2024 at 6:21 PM, Danderman123 said:

Biden enacted an increase in corporate taxation, and the number of jobs went up:

 

You mean all those workers coming back to work after Covid?

 

It'll be years before we know how the tax increase affects jobs. We certainly won't know before election day, because until then we'll be inundated with slanted news, from both sides.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/20/2024 at 12:00 PM, Danderman123 said:

Nikki Haley DID cheat on husband Michael - had affairs with her comms consultant and a MARRIED South Carolina lobbyist before she became governor, sworn affidavits and new witnesses claim

 

well, it is the Daily Mail.

Does anyone care if she did?

[Danderman123]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Does anyone care if she did?

Not right now.

 

If she were to beat Trump in NH, you will be posting about it.

[Jingthing]

19 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

Not right now.

 

If she were to beat Trump in NH, you will be posting about it.

If a big if Haley wins in NH then she has to win in her home state South Carolina which she almost definitely won't. 

I don't see a path for Haley short of Trump totally melting down (jail, health exploding, etc.). 

Given the increased frequency of Trump's dementia moments, reports of being very stinky, the curious disapperance of Melania. and rumors of advance syphilis, who knows, maybe it's possible.

 

[Morch]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

If a big if Haley wins in NH then she has to win in her home state South Carolina which she almost definitely won't. 

I don't see a path for Haley short of Trump totally melting down (jail, health exploding, etc.). 

Given the increased frequency of Trump's dementia moments, reports of being very stinky, the curious disapperance of Melania. and rumors of advance syphilis, who knows, maybe it's possible.

 

 

She loses nothing by remaining in the race. She might (if the things you outlined come about) actually win the gamble. It's unlikely he'll offer her any post in his administration if he wins (not even the vice-presidential bit, as some suggested earlier) - she's been 'disloyal' by running against him, and that's that, plus she doesn't actually bring something extra (from his point of view) to the table.

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Morch said:

 

She loses nothing by remaining in the race. She might (if the things you outlined come about) actually win the gamble. It's unlikely he'll offer her any post in his administration if he wins (not even the vice-presidential bit, as some suggested earlier) - she's been 'disloyal' by running against him, and that's that, plus she doesn't actually bring something extra (from his point of view) to the table.

If Trump wins NH in a blowout, this race is over.

 

You'll notice the losers are suspending their campaigns. So if something happens to Trump, they can re-enter the race.

[Morch]

11 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

If Trump wins NH in a blowout, this race is over.

 

You'll notice the losers are suspending their campaigns. So if something happens to Trump, they can re-enter the race.

 

I agree, but not sure how easy or effective it is to 'restart' a campaign vs. going on.

 

And a different question - If Trump gets is banned, does it effect the results of in states were party elections were already held? Like, if he's out - does it mean his votes are scrapped and the candidate who came in second gets the nomination? Or do they just move on? If the latter - can there technically be a situation where Trump practically secures the nomination, gets disqualified and then.....what?

[ozimoron]

GOP senators say there is less enthusiasm for former President Trump among Republican-leaning voters compared to 2016, a drop in voter energy that was apparent when only 15 percent of Iowa’s registered Republicans showed up for Monday’s caucuses.

 

Lawmakers acknowledge the weather was a factor behind the low turnout in Iowa but point to other signs of diminished enthusiasm for Trump, something that could hurt down-ballot Republican candidates in swing states. 

 

Senate Republicans hope that Trump’s problems will be balanced by lower enthusiasm among Democrats for President Biden, though they expect Trump being atop the ticket will drive Democratic voters to the polls in large numbers.  

 

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/4418798-senate-gop-fears-drop-in-trump-enthusiasm-energy/

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, Morch said:

 

She loses nothing by remaining in the race. She might (if the things you outlined come about) actually win the gamble. It's unlikely he'll offer her any post in his administration if he wins (not even the vice-presidential bit, as some suggested earlier) - she's been 'disloyal' by running against him, and that's that, plus she doesn't actually bring something extra (from his point of view) to the table.

I agree she should stay in to the bitter end.

But suppose Trump does melt down.

Then an open convention of some sort? I don’t know how that could work though.

Trump delegates want maga.

Haley is not maga.

Desantis is a wet noodle.

Then who is as mad man maga as Trump?

Ramaswamy.

 

 

Edited January 22 by Jingthing

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I agree she should stay in to the bitter end.

But suppose Trump does melt down.

Then an open convention of some sort? I don’t know how that could work though.

Trump delegates want maga.

Haley is not maga.

Desantis is a wet noodle.

Then who is as mad man maga as Trump?

Ramaswamy.

 

 

 

So this is uncharted territory even on the party level?

[Jingthing]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

So this is uncharted territory even on the party level?

This isn't a normal presidential election year by any measure.

It's wrong to regard it as another partisan horse race.

It's existential. 

Choose a Trump dictatorship or reject a Trump dictatorship.

About republican convention rules and how they could deal with a situation where Trump has the nomination locked up.and then can't run I plead  lack of knowledge. 

[illisdean]

53 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Choose a Trump dictatorship or reject a Trump dictatorship.

Not even close, voters KNOW as does anyone with a functioning brain set knows (except you apparently) Trump ain’t no dyktator but they absolutely know Biden has lowest job approvals than any incumbent, and these same voters view Trumps border security /immigration, economy performance and others as vastly superior to the doddering demented corrupt loser currently in the white house or more likely vacationing. Pretty simple huh, and you think people are stupid enough to believe Trumps a dictator? It takes some special  delusion, confusion, brainwashing to gas-light about Trump being a dictator because he wants a secure border (which Biden ignores and has created the worst humanitarian and national security crisis on US soil in modern history) and to drill for oil. But, go ahead and show some insight based on rational deduction and articulable data why Trump’s a dictator who makes statements about doing what Biden refuses to do to protect the border and American's safety and to repair the Biden admin failures.

 

In the meantime, be assured there are reasons Biden’s polls are covered in turds, cuz they are where they are and people / voters say now “the country’s on the wrong track…” But don’t stress it, Trump will clean up Biden’s mess like Dr Jill cleans his diaper.

 

https://elections2024.thehill.com/national/right_wrong_track

 

https://d3nkl3psvxxpe9.cloudfront.net/documents/econTabReport_HvTrDQB.pdf

 

Root around in the YouGov site to get schooled on Biden's pathetic and rather humiliating job approvals and low polling results compared to MAGA extraordinaire dictator Trump. You must be the only one devoid of sense to run in total desperation with "trumps a dictator"  narrative or the other one (ozi moron) about STD's. LOL ...you're too funny dude.

 

 

 

 

Edited January 23 by illisdean

[illisdean]

52 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Choose a Trump dictatorship or reject a Trump dictatorship.

The no spin, no gaslight zone and some context for those clinging desperately to ANYTHING bad "orange man".

 

Distraction from the reality of the spectacular failure of Biden, evidenced in job approvals and voter issues and his incredible corruption, throw in the impeachment inquiry into Biden and the investigation into the Biden crime family for mega corruption, tax fraud, money laundering, FARA violations and you doder on about trump the dictator. Laughable and so weak, desperate and pathetic. The only one you're fooling are stupid, naive desperate fools. 

You're humiliating yourself, you must be so embarrassed, .

 

Edited January 23 by illisdean

[impulse]

18 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Trumps border security /immigration,

 

I think the Supreme Court just handed Trump the White House when they allowed the Biden Admin to cut Texas' razor wire on the border.  Now, voters know that the only way to protect the border is a change in the WH.  All that congress is negotiating is how much money they're gonna spend on processing all the illegals faster.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/22/supreme-court-allows-biden-admin-to-remove-texas-border-wire/

 

Of course, the SC may also take the WH back, depending on how some of the partisan court cases go.

 

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

I think the Supreme Court just handed Trump the White House when they allowed the Biden Admin to cut Texas' razor wire on the border.  Now, voters know that the only way to protect the border is a change in the WH.  All that congress is negotiating is how much money they're gonna spend on processing all the illegals faster.

 

https://dailycaller.com/2024/01/22/supreme-court-allows-biden-admin-to-remove-texas-border-wire/

 

Of course, the SC may also take the WH back, depending on how some of the partisan court cases go.

 

The maggots don't want to solve the immigration issue. They want to do nothing and falsely blame Biden. They don't govern. They demagogue. 

[Trippy]

19 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

The maggots don't want to solve the immigration issue. They want to do nothing and falsely blame Biden. They don't govern. They demagogue. 

The truth is Biden can at least temporarily solve the immigration issue by executive order, if he wanted to.

[Jingthing]

13 minutes ago, Trippy said:

The truth is Biden can at least temporarily solve the immigration issue by executive order, if he wanted to.

I call B.S.

[Trippy]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

I call B.S.

I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

Edited January 23 by Trippy

[Trippy]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I call B.S.

Section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act does allow the president — if finding “that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens ... would be detrimental to the interests of the United States” — to “by proclamation ... suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants”. President Trump famously utilized § 212(f) to bar the entry of aliens from certain countries in order to enhance vetting capabilities for detecting the attempted entry into the U.S. by terrorists or other public-safety threats. The Supreme Court upheld this suspension, concluding that the § 212(f) power “exudes deference to the President in every clause ... [and] vests [him] with ‘ample power’ to impose entry restrictions in addition to those elsewhere enumerated in the INA”.

 

Edited January 23 by stats
disallowed, "questionable source" weblink removed

[illisdean]

8 minutes ago, Trippy said:

I wouldn't expect anything else from you.

Biden created the border mess intentionally to increase/pad democratic voter rolls. As dumb and moronic Biden and his admin are, NOBODY can be this stupid to allow an open, insecure border, but considering the Houthi's goat herding terror group is playing Biden for the fool he is a fool in the Red sea and MENA crisis, anything is possible with Biden's corruption and plain ole stupidity. The corrupt and demented fool is trying an end-run around the constitution by paying off student loan debt with taxpayer funds in another scheme to buy votes. It's all about cheating because they fear MAGA Trump and know they can't beat him in a fair election and it's making dems make fools of themselves. Case in point: Fanni Willis RICO case is swirling the drain now in Fulton Co., desperate inept fools. LOL Trump must be having a good laugh, especially with the emergence of every new poll showing Biden has failed EVERYWHERE especially the border. Record numbers of illegal crossers on Biden's watch, lowest numbers during Trumps watch and thats a fact. Now SEC / DHS Mayorkas is getting the impeachment treatment.

 

Biden=FAILURE, everything....everywhere. 

 

He should have NEVER removed Trumps effective border policies and controls.

 

Biden EO's America ito a border security crisis

[impulse]

22 minutes ago, illisdean said:

Biden created the border mess intentionally to increase/pad democratic voter rolls.

 

I'm looking forward to the brave Patriot that FOIA's the flight records to see where they sent them all in the middle of the night.  Then the documents and e-mails where they discussed and decided where to send them in the middle of the night.

 

Because I guaranty they selected their destinations based on some kind of voting formula, where those votes would have the maximum effect when they implement the next part of their scheme, which is to grant them voting rights.  Several cities have already tried.  Just running it up the flagpole...

Or it may be as simple as turning Texas blue, which is really all they need to do to pretty much guaranty a Dem win in every presidential election.  But that's not nefarious enough.  They need Congress and local elections, too.  The greedy bastards they are.